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If Jesus was God ...

 
 
Volunteer
 
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Reply Mon 27 Aug, 2007 04:14 pm
@SWORD of GOD,
SWORD of GOD;33062 wrote:
I got all the sources for your man-made bible. Thanks for the try though.

I advice you to try this searchable online Bible too with several versions and translations (even arabic!) and it contains your biblegateway site too !! Online Parallel Bible: Weaving God's Word into the Web


Oh what a tangled web we weave when first.....
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aaronssongs
 
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Reply Mon 27 Aug, 2007 05:03 pm
@SWORD of GOD,
SWORD of GOD;33062 wrote:
I got all the sources for your man-made bible. Thanks for the try though.

I advice you to try this searchable online Bible too with several versions and translations (even arabic!) and it contains your biblegateway site too !! Online Parallel Bible: Weaving God's Word into the Web


I'm having a problem with this "back and forth"....you know the Koran, may also have been divinely inspired..but it also was "man-made"...so don't be throwing stones.
Greatest I am cv
 
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Reply Tue 28 Aug, 2007 08:47 am
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;33095 wrote:
I wouldn't know what the normal Christian aptitude (if there is such a thing, in the first place) is...I don't consider myself "normal"...I consider myself "atypical"...that being said, why would fundamentalists be the only ones to comment on your name. And how have I attacked you personally...I looked at your profile, and there is nothing there to describe who you really are and what you're about, so I don't know you...how could it be personal?
I attacked your assertions and what you have represented. Nothing more.


I don't really know why fundamentalists get angry over my name. Regular sites and faiths do not. I think they consider it a statement of arrogance.
They believe that they cannot understand God. That He is some kind of mystery.
They may think I am trying to usurp God's name. Who knows how people who believe in talking snakes think.

Personal just refers to the name.

Tell me though, if the tree of knowledge is not in the Bible, where is it?
If the Christ and the Antichrist are not in the Bible, where are they?

Regards
DL
aaronssongs
 
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Reply Tue 28 Aug, 2007 01:16 pm
@Greatest I am cv,
Greatest I am;33276 wrote:
I don't really know why fundamentalists get angry over my name. Regular sites and faiths do not. I think they consider it a statement of arrogance.
They believe that they cannot understand God. That He is some kind of mystery.
They may think I am trying to usurp God's name. Who knows how people who believe in talking snakes think.

Personal just refers to the name.

Tell me though, if the tree of knowledge is not in the Bible, where is it?
If the Christ and the Antichrist are not in the Bible, where are they?

Regards
DL


Listen, a rose by any other name, or a lemon...so, so much for your name, I'm not bothered.
In my estimation, God is an enigma...he is both known and unknown...mystery and love, personified....but I wouldn't be so arrogant as to suggest that I know the ways of God. As I stated before, Jesus Christ was but a glimpse into the vastness of God.
You tell me....did not Adam and Eve, alledgedly eat from the tree of life (knowledge)? If so, was it from the Bible? Of course not...the Bible had yet to be composed or compiled. So what do you suppose the tree of life references?
Christ and the Antichrist are, indeed mentioned in the Bible...was that ever in contention?
SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Tue 28 Aug, 2007 03:30 pm
@Greatest I am cv,
The Questions No Christian Wants to Answer..continue without any real challenge

Undeniable Contradictions in the Bible

QUESTION:

Who was the father of Uzziah?


(a) Joram (Matthew 1:8): "Asa was the father of Jehoshaphat, Jehoshaphat the father of Joram, and Joram the father of Uzziah." (NASB)


OR


(b) Amaziah (2 Chronicles 26:1): "And all the people of Judah took Uzziah, who was sixteen years old, and made him king in the place of his father Amaziah." (NASB)



So, How can the Bible be a Divine book when it contradicts itself like this !!? How can you trust such a book !?

This adds to the long list of evidences about the fabrications in the man-made bible.




"Do they not then consider the Qur'an carefully? Had it been from other than Allah, they would surely have found therein many a contradiction." (Qur'an 4: 82).

Click here to hear the Quran beautiful recitation (in Arabic) for any chapter.

And click hear to hear the Quran recitation in Arabic with online audio English translation.
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Volunteer
 
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Reply Tue 28 Aug, 2007 03:53 pm
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;33156 wrote:
I'm having a problem with this "back and forth"....you know the Koran, may also have been divinely inspired..but it also was "man-made"...so don't be throwing stones.


Thanks Aaron, for the attempt.
aaronssongs
 
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Reply Tue 28 Aug, 2007 07:32 pm
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;31778 wrote:
Oh no. Now Islamists are using the same tactic as the homosexuals, casting themselves as victims of hate when someone tells them to take a flying leap. Waaaahhh! Boy, thats a real successful tactic.


How dare you compare gay people to Islamists, and using "tactics', no less...?
Gay people have been the objects of "hate crimes"....Matthew Shepherd comes to mind, as well as Michael Sandy. So for you to suggest that it's all a figment of someone's "wild imagination", is dishonest and hateful, in and of itself.
I wish you'd tell me to go and take a "flying leap"...so I can tell you where to kiss. You're hateful and despicable...is me calling a spade a spade going to get me banned?
aaronssongs
 
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Reply Tue 28 Aug, 2007 07:34 pm
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;33413 wrote:
Thanks Aaron, for the attempt.


Please don't thank me, because you're at the top of my "white list". Hateful.
politically-wrong
 
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Reply Wed 29 Aug, 2007 02:46 am
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;33461 wrote:
How dare you compare gay people to Islamists, and using "tactics', no less...?
Gay people have been the objects of "hate crimes"....Matthew Shepherd comes to mind, as well as Michael Sandy. So for you to suggest that it's all a figment of someone's "wild imagination", is dishonest and hateful, in and of itself.
I wish you'd tell me to go and take a "flying leap"...so I can tell you where to kiss. You're hateful and despicable...is me calling a spade a spade going to get me banned?



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How dare you compare gay people to Islamists,


you know Aaron , first when i read the post comparing Islamists to gay people i got angry and wanted to reply with alot of emotion , but then i thought better of it , i didnot want to offend any Gay people on the forum , guess you didnot care about us .

Quote:
Gay people have been the objects of "hate crimes"


just as muslims are now
Greatest I am cv
 
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Reply Wed 29 Aug, 2007 07:48 am
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;33361 wrote:
Listen, a rose by any other name, or a lemon...so, so much for your name, I'm not bothered.
In my estimation, God is an enigma...he is both known and unknown...mystery and love, personified....but I wouldn't be so arrogant as to suggest that I know the ways of God. As I stated before, Jesus Christ was but a glimpse into the vastness of God.

GIA wrote
The Bible is trying to show us the philosophy of it's God.
Many cannot dither it out. Some do not give up the way you have. Calling for mystery and enigmas is indicating that you have yet to work out the details of God's philosophy. Too bad. Keep trying.

You tell me....did not Adam and Eve, allegedly eat from the tree of life (knowledge)? If so, was it from the Bible? Of course not...the Bible had yet to be composed or compiled. So what do you suppose the tree of life references?

GIA wrote
It would surprise Rome to know that the Bible has yet to be compiled and composed. They put it out as finished.
The idea of the tree of life is from the (un-compiled and un-composed) Bible.
It is supposed to give man immortality. I don't know at present where it is.

Christ and the Antichrist are, indeed mentioned in the Bible...was that ever in contention?


By many yes.

You may have misunderstood my point.
The tree of knowledge of good and evil are spoken to in the Bible. So is the Christ and the Antichrist.
All these are found and speak in the Bible. When reading, it is to us to judge what side of the tree we are reading and who is trying to speak to us. Christ or the Antichrist.

IE. Though shall not kill.
Though shall not suffer a witch to live.

One of these is from Christ the other from the Antichrist.

Which is which?

Regards
DL
wvpeach
 
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Reply Wed 29 Aug, 2007 09:13 am
@SWORD of GOD,
sword you are correct.

Jesus himself says in hundreds of places in the bible that he is not the one true God, he is the son of God. The christ our Lord, first born among many brothers and sisters, who include you and I

The bible also says that God will open the eyes of whom he chooses and close the eyes of some. God hardens the hearts of people and opens the hearts of people as he sees fit.

When you meet people who really cannot see this , we are told to pray for them that God will open their eyes to the truth.

That is all we can do.

good to meet you sword.


SWORD of GOD;12911 wrote:
The "Son" Title:

How come Christians take the "God's Son" title literally with Jesus and they don't take it literally for the rest of the prophets and people who were called the Sons of God?

In John 3:16 Jesus was called God's only Begotten Son.

In Exodus 4:22 "Thus saith Jehova, Isreal is my son, even my firstborn." Isreal was called God's First Son.

In Jeremiah 31:9 "I am a father to Isreal, and Ephraim is my firstborn." Ephraim is God's First Son and First Born.

In Psalm 2:7 "... Jehova had said onto me (David), thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee." David was called God's Begotten Son.
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aaronssongs
 
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Reply Wed 29 Aug, 2007 10:36 am
@politically-wrong,
politically-wrong;33485 wrote:
you know Aaron , first when i read the post comparing Islamists to gay people i got angry and wanted to reply with alot of emotion , but then i thought better of it , i didnot want to offend any Gay people on the forum , guess you didnot care about us .


just as muslims are now


Let me clarify...when I referred to Islamist, I meant the extremists (the radical Islamists), which, hopefully, was whom Volunteer was referring to, and not "run-of-the-mill" Muslims, who are devout followers of Islam, and believe in the rule of law, tolerance, and humanity. I certainly don't mean to assert or believe that all Muslims are radical, as much as I believe that all fundamentalists, and bible thumpers, and Christian zealots are representative of the whole of body of Christ...we could do without the lot of them, as they are mirror reflections of the other.
I just abhor all these "so-called" Christians, who spew nothing but hate and intolerance for any viewed as "other". They are intolerant of other religions and faiths...of gays and lesbians, of a woman's right to choose (which actually is a matter between a woman and her conscience, some would say, "God", but of course, there are so many taking on God's role of judging, while ignoring the fact that they too have sin and error on their heads...but in God's infinite wisdom, he somehow endowed them with the directive, that they were to point out the shortcomings and aberrations in others...something that even Christ Jesus did not do....so go figure)
I'd sooner believe that God will be welcoming a whole lot of gays and Muslims, into the kingdom of Heaven, before a whole lot of fake Christians and self-appointed and self-righteous demagogues.
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aaronssongs
 
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Reply Wed 29 Aug, 2007 10:41 am
@Greatest I am cv,
Greatest I am;33495 wrote:
By many yes.

You may have misunderstood my point.
The tree of knowledge of good and evil are spoken to in the Bible. So is the Christ and the Antichrist.
All these are found and speak in the Bible. When reading, it is to us to judge what side of the tree we are reading and who is trying to speak to us. Christ or the Antichrist.

IE. Though shall not kill.
Though shall not suffer a witch to live.

One of these is from Christ the other from the Antichrist.

Which is which?

Regards
DL


How retarded....I wouldn't bother myself with "fairy tales', witches, warlocks, vampires or werewolves...as I mentioned before, one needs to read the Bible, or any other work , with an informed and open mind...it's called discernment.
It's clear, you don't have any.
Greatest I am cv
 
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Reply Wed 29 Aug, 2007 01:56 pm
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;33523 wrote:
How retarded....I wouldn't bother myself with "fairy tales', witches, warlocks, vampires or werewolves...as I mentioned before, one needs to read the Bible, or any other work , with an informed and open mind...it's called discernment.
It's clear, you don't have any.


Sorry if I gave you a tough one .

Regards
DL
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Volunteer
 
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Reply Wed 29 Aug, 2007 05:18 pm
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;33462 wrote:
Please don't thank me, because you're at the top of my "white list". Hateful.


Is your list like the one in the Gilbert and Sullivan song?
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chico
 
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Reply Fri 31 Aug, 2007 09:36 am
@SWORD of GOD,
The discussion does not anymore comprehend with this thread.

Somebody should create a new thread to cover all these discussons.

WHO IS MORAL AND TRUE, THE BIBLE OR THE QURAN (For example)

Can anyone say Amen......
Greatest I am cv
 
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Reply Sat 1 Sep, 2007 08:34 am
@chico,
chico;33911 wrote:
The discussion does not anymore comprehend with this thread.

Somebody should create a new thread to cover all these discussions.

WHO IS MORAL AND TRUE, THE BIBLE OR THE QURAN (For example)

Can anyone say Amen......


God is a God of inclusion not exclusion.
Both Bible, if adhered to, will please God.
He does not care what language you speak as long as your actions are fair and just.
Both of these works speak of Jesus. If we follow His philosophy we should be OK.

God is the God of all men, not just the few here or there.

Regards
DL
aaronssongs
 
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Reply Sat 1 Sep, 2007 10:13 am
@Greatest I am cv,
Greatest I am;34070 wrote:
God is a God of inclusion not exclusion.

If you really believe this, why are the lot of you so intolerant and judgemental?


Both Bible, if adhered to, will please God.
I kinda sorta almost believe this, but how do you know? I mean how could you possibly know, for real, exactly, what pleases God? It's not like he calls you on the phone...I'm thinking you have "a feeling", which may or may not be "divinely inspired"....so how do you know, unequivocably ?

He does not care what language you speak as long as your actions are fair and just.
Again, what are you basing your conclusion upon?

Both of these works speak of Jesus. If we follow His philosophy we should be OK.

God is the God of all men, not just the few here or there.
The only thing that you have said that is patently true
Campbell34
 
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Reply Sat 1 Sep, 2007 12:35 pm
@chico,
chico;33911 wrote:
The discussion does not anymore comprehend with this thread.

Somebody should create a new thread to cover all these discussons.

WHO IS MORAL AND TRUE, THE BIBLE OR THE QURAN (For example)

Can anyone say Amen......


The Bible proves itself by it's fulfilled prophecies, the Quran does not. Jesus Christ fulfilled the three hundred prophecies of the Old Testament. And the prophecies that are found in the Bible today tell how the Jews will return to the land of Israel in the end times, and it speaks of this in detail. Nothing like this is found in the Quran. Since God alone knows the future, I have to believe only God could of Authored the Bible. What evidence is there to suggest that God Authored the Quran?
SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Sat 1 Sep, 2007 02:17 pm
@Campbell34,
Campbell34;34105 wrote:
The Bible proves itself by it's fulfilled prophecies, the Quran does not. Jesus Christ fulfilled the three hundred prophecies of the Old Testament. And the prophecies that are found in the Bible today tell how the Jews will return to the land of Israel in the end times, and it speaks of this in detail. Nothing like this is found in the Quran. Since God alone knows the future, I have to believe only God could of Authored the Bible. What evidence is there to suggest that God Authored the Quran?


Talking without documented proofs is cheap. Provide your documented proofs before I start doing it!
 

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