If Jesus was God ...

[CENTER]is this the key to world peace or what!![/CENTER]

Any God worth following can make Himself understood by man. If He cannot then we should not follow Him.

To raise Him so far that we loose sight of Him, makes Him gone, as He should be.

Fundamentalists are always answering my questions, when they bother to try, by telling me about how we are not really supposed to understand God.
Hogwash.

God created us to honor and worship Him. How can we if we do not know Him. How can we if the greatest teacher cannot teach?




Regards
DL

Oh, come on! Like some Muslims don't use the Koran to their own ends, just like some "so-called" Christians don't abuse the Bible!
I guess you naively think that all Muslims like all Christians are free of sin and corruption, and don't do and practice vile things, "in the name of God"?
The key to world peace starts with an individual, you and I.

Well stated aaronssongs.:thumbup:

Oh, come on! Like some Muslims don't use the Koran to their own ends, just like some "so-called" Christians don't abuse the Bible!
I guess you naively think that all Muslims like all Christians are free of sin and corruption, and don't do and practice vile things, "in the name of God"?
The key to world peace starts with an individual, you and I.

Sensible fair person who wants to judge any religion, do that by examining its teachings given in the authentic sacred sources of that religion not by judging the deeds of some of its followers who do not really follow those teachings.

"The Messiah ('Isa (Jesus)) son of Maryam (Mary), was no more than a Messenger; many were the Messengers that passed away before him. His mother (Maryam (Mary)) was a Siddiqah (i.e. she believed in the words of Allah and His Books) They both used to eat food (as any other human being, while Allah does not eat). Look how We make the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) clear to them, yet look how they are deluded away (from the truth). Say (O Muhammad (peace be upon him) to mankind): "How do you worship besides Allah something which has no power either to harm or to benefit you? But it is Allah Who is the All-Hearer, All-Knower."" [Noble Quran 5: 75-76]

Oh, come on! Like some Muslims don't use the Koran to their own ends, just like some "so-called" Christians don't abuse the Bible!
I guess you naively think that all Muslims like all Christians are free of sin and corruption, and don't do and practice vile things, "in the name of God"?
The key to world peace starts with an individual, you and I.

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The Old Testament word translated "mystery" or "mysteries" is most often the Aramaic raz . Daniel used the word in his writings often: (Daniel 2:18, 27-30 & 47 and 4:9). "During the night the mystery was revealed to Daniel in a vision." The mystery in this case was a dream God had given to King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon. The dream troubled the king. He summoned magicians, enchanters, sorcerers and astrologers to explain the dream. They could not. Daniel asked God to reveal the meaning of the dream to him. God did. Daniel told Nebuchadnezzar: "No wise man, enchanter, magician or diviner can explain to the king the mystery he has asked about, but there is a God in heaven who reveals mysteries." That is an excellent explanation about the nature of mysteries. They are God's secrets. Only God can explain His mysteries to humanity. God chooses who he will reveal them.


God Moves in a Mysterious Way
[William Cowper (1731-1800)]
William Cowper (1731-1800)


Words: Will*iam Cow*per, in Twen*ty-six Let*ters on Re*li*gious Sub*jects, by John New*ton, 1774. It is re*port*ed*ly the last hymn Cow*per ev*er wrote, with a fas*cin*at*ing (though un*sub*stan*ti*at*ed) story be*hind it.

Cow*per oft*en strug*gled with de*press*ion and doubt. One night he de*cid*ed to com*mit su*i*cide by drown*ing him*self. He called a cab and told the driv*er to take him to the Thames Riv*er. How*ev*er, thick fog came down and pre*vent*ed them from find*ing the riv*er (ano*ther ver*sion of the story has the driv*er get*ting lost de*liber*ate*ly). After driv*ing around lost for a while, the cab*by fin*al*ly stopped and let Cow*per out. To Cowper?s sur*prise, he found him*self on his own door*step: God had sent the fog to keep him from kill*ing him*self. Even in our black*est mo*ments, God watch*es over us.

Music: Dun*dee, Scot*tish Psal*ter, 1615 (MI*DI, score). Al*ter*nate tunes:

* Belmont, Will*iam Gar*din*er, 1812 (MI*DI, score)
* London New, Psalms (Ed*in*burgh, Scot*land: 1635) (MI*DI, score)
* Manoah, ar*ranged by Hen*ry W. Great*or*ex, 1851 (MI*DI, score)
* St. Anne, Will*iam Croft, 1708 (MI*DI, score)

God moves in a mysterious way
His wonders to perform;
He plants His footsteps in the sea
And rides upon the storm.

Deep in unfathomable mines
Of never failing skill
He treasures up His bright designs
And works His sovereign will.

Ye fearful saints, fresh courage take;
The clouds ye so much dread
Are big with mercy and shall break
In blessings on your head.

Judge not the Lord by feeble sense,
But trust Him for His grace;
Behind a frowning providence
He hides a smiling face.

His purposes will ripen fast,
Unfolding every hour;
The bud may have a bitter taste,
But sweet will be the flower.

Blind unbelief is sure to err
And scan His work in vain;
God is His own interpreter,
And He will make it plain.





Any God worth following? You talk like a pagan...there is only one God, IMHO.
God is too vast for man to comprehend, yet He reveals Himself to man in various ways.....Jesus Christ, His Son, was but a slice of God, revealed to man, in human form, a context which man could derive some understanding...and I as a Christian believe that he continues to send messengers..I believe Muhammad was a prophet.
But what arrogance for you to say, "Any God worth following can make Himself understood by man. If He cannot then we should not follow Him.

To raise Him so far that we loose sight of Him, makes Him gone, as He should be." Who are you, to say that? Your arms are too short to box with God.
Look around you at the vastness and the beauty of things....that is one way to know a small part of who God is, and what He is about...God speaks to our hearts and minds...our little hearts and minds. Excuse me.

Why waste His time speaking to us if we cannot be sure of ever understanding Him or His philosophy?
We discoursed with other philosophers till we were clear on their positions. Why be different with God. Why say mystery here and there for those things that do not make sense to us or the harder questions. Why believe that the greatest teacher cannot teach His philosophy. Why think that God is that stupid.

The king of the lions can make himself understood by lions.
The king of rats can make himself understood by rats.
The king of men can be understood by men.
It is only deficient or lazy men who cannot understand God.

You do man a disservice by denigrating his ability to comprehend the messages that God provides. God does not waste His time. If we could not understand then He would find a way to make us understand.

Only lazy fundamentalists will not take the time to understand and hide in senseless scripture and bow to mystery instead of dithering out the message.

Any follower who follows without knowing why is a fool that would have stayed in the garden of ignorance instead of escaping with Eve and the rest of us more enlightened people.

Regards
DL

All religious and political systems will use their propaganda to their best advantage. Why focus on Christians and Islam. All are guilty of it and are likely justified by their view. It is just that we are looking at them from a different perspective. From their perspective they may very well be right.

This is why mutual respect is important to all.

The better philosophy will eventually win out by showing it;s love and not it;s hate.
We are all attracted to love and not hate.
If we do not want to hurt our cause then it is in our best interest to gain the respect of our detractors or the best words are just discarded as points of arguement instead of wisdom.

Regards
DL

"Matthew 1

The Gospel According to
Matthew

The Genealogy of Jesus the Messiah

1An account of the genealogy* of Jesus the Messiah,* the son of David, the son of Abraham.

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So, now your Jesus has a human father !!!!?

How can you say what you have said, and then in the other post tell others how they must view God, and what their understanding level of Him should be?
In one moment you are preaching tolerance and the next intolerance...I think you need to check yourself....because you are confused.

Forgive me, but I think you talk like a crazy person...believe as you choose to believe....I would not be so arrogant as to think that I could comprehend God in his infinite wisdom...He who is omniscent, omnipotent, and forever. If I could, I would be like him. Suffice it to say, you do not understand God, no man can. God imparts wisdom and enlightenment to us , as is expedient for us, in his own way, at his own time....to think otherwise , is to, indeed, be a fool.
But since you have it all worked out, why don't you explain it "all" to the rest of us idiots.

Happy to do it.

Pick one topic at a time.

I have more faith in your ability to comprehend than you do.

Regards
DL

Let it go...you're incapable of understanding too much of anything...God said that his son, the Messiah, would come from the line of David...follow the genealogy, incorporate the Immaculate Conception and arrive at a conclusion.
You're not an intellectual or a scholar, are you?