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If Jesus was God ...

 
 
aaronssongs
 
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Reply Sat 25 Aug, 2007 09:58 am
@politically-wrong,
politically-wrong;32733 wrote:
[CENTER]is this the key to world peace or what!![/CENTER]


Oh, come on! Like some Muslims don't use the Koran to their own ends, just like some "so-called" Christians don't abuse the Bible!
I guess you naively think that all Muslims like all Christians are free of sin and corruption, and don't do and practice vile things, "in the name of God"?
The key to world peace starts with an individual, you and I.
aaronssongs
 
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Reply Sat 25 Aug, 2007 10:21 am
@Greatest I am cv,
Greatest I am;32735 wrote:
Any God worth following can make Himself understood by man. If He cannot then we should not follow Him.

To raise Him so far that we loose sight of Him, makes Him gone, as He should be.

Fundamentalists are always answering my questions, when they bother to try, by telling me about how we are not really supposed to understand God.
Hogwash.

God created us to honor and worship Him. How can we if we do not know Him. How can we if the greatest teacher cannot teach?




Regards
DL




GRACE ANSWERS 5

The Old Testament word translated "mystery" or "mysteries" is most often the Aramaic raz . Daniel used the word in his writings often: (Daniel 2:18, 27-30 & 47 and 4:9). "During the night the mystery was revealed to Daniel in a vision." The mystery in this case was a dream God had given to King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon. The dream troubled the king. He summoned magicians, enchanters, sorcerers and astrologers to explain the dream. They could not. Daniel asked God to reveal the meaning of the dream to him. God did. Daniel told Nebuchadnezzar: "No wise man, enchanter, magician or diviner can explain to the king the mystery he has asked about, but there is a God in heaven who reveals mysteries." That is an excellent explanation about the nature of mysteries. They are God's secrets. Only God can explain His mysteries to humanity. God chooses who he will reveal them.


God Moves in a Mysterious Way
Red cv
 
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Reply Sat 25 Aug, 2007 12:30 pm
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;32758 wrote:
Oh, come on! Like some Muslims don't use the Koran to their own ends, just like some "so-called" Christians don't abuse the Bible!
I guess you naively think that all Muslims like all Christians are free of sin and corruption, and don't do and practice vile things, "in the name of God"?
The key to world peace starts with an individual, you and I.



Well stated aaronssongs.:thumbup:
aaronssongs
 
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Reply Sat 25 Aug, 2007 02:29 pm
@Red cv,
Red;32779 wrote:
Well stated aaronssongs.:thumbup:


Well, that's a first!
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Sat 25 Aug, 2007 02:56 pm
@SWORD of GOD,
She's not far of the mark. If i do say so myself.
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SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Sat 25 Aug, 2007 03:28 pm
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;32758 wrote:
Oh, come on! Like some Muslims don't use the Koran to their own ends, just like some "so-called" Christians don't abuse the Bible!
I guess you naively think that all Muslims like all Christians are free of sin and corruption, and don't do and practice vile things, "in the name of God"?
The key to world peace starts with an individual, you and I.


Sensible fair person who wants to judge any religion, do that by examining its teachings given in the authentic sacred sources of that religion not by judging the deeds of some of its followers who do not really follow those teachings.
aaronssongs
 
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Reply Sat 25 Aug, 2007 04:32 pm
@SWORD of GOD,
SWORD of GOD;32793 wrote:
Sensible fair person who wants to judge any religion, do that by examining its teachings given in the authentic sacred sources of that religion not by judging the deeds of some of its followers who do not really follow those teachings.


Well, welcome to the world of the court of public opinion, and mismanaged public relations....some people give bad press to both Christianity and Islam.
Whether that is fair or not, is another topic for discussion. And just who is sensible and fair, these days? It's hardly seen in this forum. Much less in society as a whole.
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SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Sat 25 Aug, 2007 05:03 pm
@aaronssongs,
"The Messiah ('Isa (Jesus)) son of Maryam (Mary), was no more than a Messenger; many were the Messengers that passed away before him. His mother (Maryam (Mary)) was a Siddiqah (i.e. she believed in the words of Allah and His Books) They both used to eat food (as any other human being, while Allah does not eat). Look how We make the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) clear to them, yet look how they are deluded away (from the truth). Say (O Muhammad (peace be upon him) to mankind): "How do you worship besides Allah something which has no power either to harm or to benefit you? But it is Allah Who is the All-Hearer, All-Knower."" [Noble Quran 5: 75-76]
aaronssongs
 
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Reply Sat 25 Aug, 2007 05:30 pm
@SWORD of GOD,
SWORD of GOD;32808 wrote:
"The Messiah ('Isa (Jesus)) son of Maryam (Mary), was no more than a Messenger; many were the Messengers that passed away before him. His mother (Maryam (Mary)) was a Siddiqah (i.e. she believed in the words of Allah and His Books) They both used to eat food (as any other human being, while Allah does not eat). Look how We make the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) clear to them, yet look how they are deluded away (from the truth). Say (O Muhammad (peace be upon him) to mankind): "How do you worship besides Allah something which has no power either to harm or to benefit you? But it is Allah Who is the All-Hearer, All-Knower."" [Noble Quran 5: 75-76]
politically-wrong
 
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Reply Sun 26 Aug, 2007 01:23 am
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;32758 wrote:
Oh, come on! Like some Muslims don't use the Koran to their own ends, just like some "so-called" Christians don't abuse the Bible!
I guess you naively think that all Muslims like all Christians are free of sin and corruption, and don't do and practice vile things, "in the name of God"?
The key to world peace starts with an individual, you and I.


well i was not being sarcastic , i did mean it when i said that what you said is a key to lasting peace if we all use it, my biggest headache in this world is how some muslims twist and turn the words of the Quraan and its teachings to meet their ends.
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Greatest I am cv
 
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Reply Sun 26 Aug, 2007 04:39 am
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;32760 wrote:
GRACE ANSWERS 5

The Old Testament word translated "mystery" or "mysteries" is most often the Aramaic raz . Daniel used the word in his writings often: (Daniel 2:18, 27-30 & 47 and 4:9). "During the night the mystery was revealed to Daniel in a vision." The mystery in this case was a dream God had given to King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon. The dream troubled the king. He summoned magicians, enchanters, sorcerers and astrologers to explain the dream. They could not. Daniel asked God to reveal the meaning of the dream to him. God did. Daniel told Nebuchadnezzar: "No wise man, enchanter, magician or diviner can explain to the king the mystery he has asked about, but there is a God in heaven who reveals mysteries." That is an excellent explanation about the nature of mysteries. They are God's secrets. Only God can explain His mysteries to humanity. God chooses who he will reveal them.


God Moves in a Mysterious Way


Why waste His time speaking to us if we cannot be sure of ever understanding Him or His philosophy?
We discoursed with other philosophers till we were clear on their positions. Why be different with God. Why say mystery here and there for those things that do not make sense to us or the harder questions. Why believe that the greatest teacher cannot teach His philosophy. Why think that God is that stupid.

The king of the lions can make himself understood by lions.
The king of rats can make himself understood by rats.
The king of men can be understood by men.
It is only deficient or lazy men who cannot understand God.

You do man a disservice by denigrating his ability to comprehend the messages that God provides. God does not waste His time. If we could not understand then He would find a way to make us understand.

Only lazy fundamentalists will not take the time to understand and hide in senseless scripture and bow to mystery instead of dithering out the message.

Any follower who follows without knowing why is a fool that would have stayed in the garden of ignorance instead of escaping with Eve and the rest of us more enlightened people.

Regards
DL
Greatest I am cv
 
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Reply Sun 26 Aug, 2007 04:55 am
@aaronssongs,
All religious and political systems will use their propaganda to their best advantage. Why focus on Christians and Islam. All are guilty of it and are likely justified by their view. It is just that we are looking at them from a different perspective. From their perspective they may very well be right.

This is why mutual respect is important to all.

The better philosophy will eventually win out by showing it;s love and not it;s hate.
We are all attracted to love and not hate.
If we do not want to hurt our cause then it is in our best interest to gain the respect of our detractors or the best words are just discarded as points of arguement instead of wisdom.

Regards
DL
aaronssongs
 
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Reply Sun 26 Aug, 2007 05:18 am
@Greatest I am cv,
Greatest I am;32825 wrote:
Why waste His time speaking to us if we cannot be sure of ever understanding Him or His philosophy?
We discoursed with other philosophers till we were clear on their positions. Why be different with God. Why say mystery here and there for those things that do not make sense to us or the harder questions. Why believe that the greatest teacher cannot teach His philosophy. Why think that God is that stupid.

The king of the lions can make himself understood by lions.
The king of rats can make himself understood by rats.
The king of men can be understood by men.
It is only deficient or lazy men who cannot understand God.

You do man a disservice by denigrating his ability to comprehend the messages that God provides. God does not waste His time. If we could not understand then He would find a way to make us understand.

Only lazy fundamentalists will not take the time to understand and hide in senseless scripture and bow to mystery instead of dithering out the message.

Any follower who follows without knowing why is a fool that would have stayed in the garden of ignorance instead of escaping with Eve and the rest of us more enlightened people.

Regards
DL


Forgive me, but I think you talk like a crazy person...believe as you choose to believe....I would not be so arrogant as to think that I could comprehend God in his infinite wisdom...He who is omniscent, omnipotent, and forever. If I could, I would be like him. Suffice it to say, you do not understand God, no man can. God imparts wisdom and enlightenment to us , as is expedient for us, in his own way, at his own time....to think otherwise , is to, indeed, be a fool.
But since you have it all worked out, why don't you explain it "all" to the rest of us idiots.
aaronssongs
 
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Reply Sun 26 Aug, 2007 05:21 am
@Greatest I am cv,
Greatest I am;32826 wrote:
All religious and political systems will use their propaganda to their best advantage. Why focus on Christians and Islam. All are guilty of it and are likely justified by their view. It is just that we are looking at them from a different perspective. From their perspective they may very well be right.

This is why mutual respect is important to all.

The better philosophy will eventually win out by showing it;s love and not it;s hate.
We are all attracted to love and not hate.
If we do not want to hurt our cause then it is in our best interest to gain the respect of our detractors or the best words are just discarded as points of arguement instead of wisdom.

Regards
DL


How can you say what you have said, and then in the other post tell others how they must view God, and what their understanding level of Him should be?
In one moment you are preaching tolerance and the next intolerance...I think you need to check yourself....because you are confused.
SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Sun 26 Aug, 2007 05:25 am
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;32810 wrote:
"Matthew 1

The Gospel According to
Matthew

The Genealogy of Jesus the Messiah

1An account of the genealogy* of Jesus the Messiah,* the son of David, the son of Abraham.

.....


So, now your Jesus has a human father !!!!?
aaronssongs
 
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Reply Sun 26 Aug, 2007 05:31 am
@SWORD of GOD,
SWORD of GOD;32829 wrote:
So, now your Jesus has a human father !!!!?

Let it go...you're incapable of understanding too much of anything...God said that his son, the Messiah, would come from the line of David...follow the genealogy, incorporate the Immaculate Conception and arrive at a conclusion.
You're not an intellectual or a scholar, are you?
Greatest I am cv
 
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Reply Sun 26 Aug, 2007 06:10 am
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;32828 wrote:
How can you say what you have said, and then in the other post tell others how they must view God, and what their understanding level of Him should be?
In one moment you are preaching tolerance and the next intolerance...I think you need to check yourself....because you are confused.


I never preach intolerance. If you have seen it then lets have the quote just in case I slipped. Unthinkable.

In fact I have stated that there is wisdom in all the Bibles. There is most certainly more than one road to God.

This does not stop me from expressing my view of my God. Like everyone else, if I can convert or help others to find God I will and happily so.

I even try to be tolerant of Sword for Christ sake.

I admit to having reciprocal disrespect for fundamentalists when they express themselves tome that way. I am only human and a work in progress to my ultimate Perfection.

Regards
DL
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Greatest I am cv
 
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Reply Sun 26 Aug, 2007 06:13 am
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;32827 wrote:
Forgive me, but I think you talk like a crazy person...believe as you choose to believe....I would not be so arrogant as to think that I could comprehend God in his infinite wisdom...He who is omniscent, omnipotent, and forever. If I could, I would be like him. Suffice it to say, you do not understand God, no man can. God imparts wisdom and enlightenment to us , as is expedient for us, in his own way, at his own time....to think otherwise , is to, indeed, be a fool.
But since you have it all worked out, why don't you explain it "all" to the rest of us idiots.


Happy to do it.

Pick one topic at a time.

I have more faith in your ability to comprehend than you do.

Regards
DL
aaronssongs
 
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Reply Sun 26 Aug, 2007 09:38 am
@Greatest I am cv,
Greatest I am;32836 wrote:
Happy to do it.

Pick one topic at a time.

I have more faith in your ability to comprehend than you do.

Regards
DL


One topic at a time? Please, with your understanding of God, surely you should be able to juggle more than one ball at a time. And again, you overreach.
My ability to comprehend is solely dependent on your ability to be coherent, which has fallen short, of late. You overestimate your knowledge of the subject matter...if not, begin, wherever you like....I'm all ears.
SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Sun 26 Aug, 2007 11:07 am
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;32831 wrote:
Let it go...you're incapable of understanding too much of anything...God said that his son, the Messiah, would come from the line of David...follow the genealogy, incorporate the Immaculate Conception and arrive at a conclusion.
You're not an intellectual or a scholar, are you?


Can't you just be humble and answer my simple question with yes or no...Did your Jesus has a human father ?
 

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