If Jesus was God ...

"Be advised: if you dispatch murderers to kill me, know that I have shown all this internet traffic to three friends who serve as Assistant District Attorneys. You will get caught."

A little Paranoid, aren't we?

Mohammad wasn't a man of God, he was a man of oppurtunity. He saw an oppurtunity to take advantage of the uneducated to swindle them and use their superstitions to make them sheep. Free will is a wonderful thing that God has given us. Unfortuately the lack of intelligence allows for the free will of man to be cut down by his own stupidity. Islam is the greatest example of a man's free will being quashed by all of the rules put in place by it's leaders. The abject domination of women, the brutal punishment, the prejudice against all those of do not subscribe to their religion. All primary examples of a religion created by man. If it were divine in nature, then all of Gods people would be equal before him. Not just those who have a penis, or wear a towel on their head.

If everything I say is to be considered a lie then there is little point in discourse. I have read and heard many prayers and am generally bored by them. Your prayers would be no different neither am I impressed with Christian prayers and I am a believing Christian.

I do not believe that God is impressed with rote messages reaching His ear on a steady basis. The praying en mass that some religions do I find useless. This is why I like the protestant mass ahead of my own RC mass. They discuss God and His philosophy more than the RC.

Put yourself in Gods shoes, what would you see if all the world was on their knees and basically asking for favours all the time. Would the phrase God helps those who help themselves not come to mind. Or are you too indoctrinated in custom to think of such things.

Regards
DL

I see you christians who believe in the paganism idea of God died on the cross to forgive your sins never answer any question with sensible direct answer !!! You just try to play with words.

Let me repeat one question again and give you another chance, and for the christian apologists to have fun and play with words!

For the sake of argument. Now, according to your Christian believe, Juses died for the forgiveness of the original sin. Which means any christian is saved by the sacrifice of Jesus and accordingly God forgave him. Okay!

In your bible, it says as a punishment for the original sin:

To the woman he said, "I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children".(Genisis 3:16)

If Jesus had sacrificed & forgiven your sin, then "WHY CHRISTIAN WOMEN ARE STILL GETTING LABOR PAIN !?"

personally i try to make it a rule to not have discussions with atheist , my reasoning is that if they can not figure out that there has to be a God , surely they don't have enough logic to see logic , but i just want to direct your attention to a single point.




wrong!

God gave us the freedom of choice, we choose how to live our lives, we choose to do the right thing or the wrong one, when you do something right you are given a prize (heaven) , and when you do it wrongly its your (hell)
the imperfection of human beings actions is the reason that necessitates hell for the sinners, and heaven for the righteous, not the mistake in their production process.

Who is an atheist? Surely not all who do not read the Bible literally.
It happens that At one time I did not believe but was (saved).

Your words thought tend to forget the love that God is supposed to have for man. For Him to loose as many as you think would be out of character of a loving father. Did the prodigal son not share in full measure.

Consider that a Perfect God began with a fully Perfect universe. You have Him backsliding to a point where He has somehow lost the Perfection of Heaven by placing a Hell in His back forty.

When exactly did God decide to backslide?
When did He loose the ability to create Perfect souls?

Regards
DL

I'm no theologian...but let me see if I can offer up a simplistic answer.
Christ did not die for man's original sin...his sacrifice was the propitiation of all of man's sins, even the ones we have yet to commit...the only requirement for forgiveness is belief that he died for our sins, and has interceded on our behalf with The Father.
As with the simplistic explanations listed in Genesis, concerning God and creation (6 days, and on the seventh, He rested...as if God needed rest, in human terms...but that's another topic)...For disobeying, God banished Adam and Eve from Paradise, and along with several edicts, prescribed that women, henceforth will bear children "in pain"....the scientific explanation reveals that because the baby's head is so large, the woman's pelvis has evolved to accommodate it, but with displacement of muscle and tissue, there is, undoubtably, "pain", in the birthing process...Could faith and science both hold some truth? Everything is seldom black or white. But rather, "grey".
Some of us choose to view the Bible as part divine inspiration, part allegory, part invention, part politics, part history, and part control and domination.
Since God didn't write the pages Himself and gave the manuscript to various indidviduals, of whom we can be sure of, what is written and why it was written should be taken into account, IMHO.

You got your faith from the Bible. If the bible was fabricated and corrupted then your faith must be fabricated and corrupted. Simple and clear.

Who is an atheist? Surely not all who do not read the Bible literally.
It happens that At one time I did not believe but was (saved).

Your words thought tend to forget the love that God is supposed to have for man. For Him to loose as many as you think would be out of character of a loving father. Did the prodigal son not share in full measure.

Consider that a Perfect God began with a fully Perfect universe. You have Him backsliding to a point where He has somehow lost the Perfection of Heaven by placing a Hell in His back forty.

When exactly did God decide to backslide?
When did He loose the ability to create Perfect souls?

Regards
DL

Who is an atheist? Surely not all who do not read the Bible literally.
It happens that At one time I did not believe but was (saved).

For Him to loose as many as you think would be out of character of a loving father

You have Him backsliding to a point where He has somehow lost the Perfection of Heaven by placing a Hell in His back forty.

When exactly did God decide to backslide?
When did He loose the ability to create Perfect souls?

Ok, I was beginning to think that you were logical and rational...but if you can say what you said, then, clearly , you are not.
I said, all things in the Bible, if not, the Old Testament, should be taken with grains of salt....my faith does not come from the Bible...my faith came from my mother. We get our view of God, from our parents. We get our faith renewed and edified by holy writings...don't get it twisted. My faith is intact. Excuse me.
If the Bible is fabricated and corrupted then also the Quran is , as well.
Simple and clear.

I was beginning to think that you were logical and rational...but if you can say what you said, then, clearly , you are not.

If the Bible is fabricated and corrupted then also the Quran is , as well.
Simple and clear

ok Mr.Logical show me the logic that say's if the bible is corrupted so is the Quraan?!!

I was responding to his statement, " You got your faith from the Bible. If the bible was fabricated and corrupted then your faith must be fabricated and corrupted. Simple and clear."
Personally, I don't believe the Bible or the Quraan to be "fabricated" or "corrupted"....what I do believe is that some people "corrupt" or "fabricate" what is written in both the books. The Sword of God cannot discount or dismiss "The Bible" anymore than I can discount or dismiss the Quraan, as the fountainhead books of believers of Christ or Muhammad...that is what I meant. If one book is "corrupt", it holds true that all books are, IMHO.

what I do believe is that some people "corrupt" or "fabricate" what is written in both the books

Credit it all to our imperfections, as human beings....we are not able to comprehend God and His Ways, so we invent or imagine stuff, and in human terms, no less! How arrogant.

You got your faith from the Bible. If the bible was fabricated and corrupted then your faith must be fabricated and corrupted. Simple and clear.

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ok my apologies you are not an atheist, about reading the bible either you believe in it or you dont(there is no grey area here) , if you believe it to be Gods words then take it as it is, if you dont then better look for some other religion.



sure no problem, but where is the father you are talking about, me i think of him as my God , my father is right at home.



Heavens perfection?!! how are we (humans) supposed to know anything about the perfection of heaven?!!

do you believe those in hell to have imperfect souls? , no they simply have imperfect faith, corrubted faith, it has nothing to do with souls or their creation.

ok Mr.Logical show me the logic that say's if the bible is corrupted so is the Quraan?!!

All Bibles were fabricated from the same old sources. All from ancient legends passed on by shaman and prophets. All bases on best guess formulae.

Regards
DL

They both preach Jesus.

Regards
DL

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