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If Jesus was God ...

 
 
Greatest I am cv
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2007 12:01 pm
@Arterion,
Arterion;27491 wrote:
No, I think it's all a work of fiction. None of it should be trusted. Follow what you know in your heart to be right. You do not need a book to command you what is right and wrong.


So why are you here discussing fiction. Why not discuss Superman.

Regards
DL
Greatest I am cv
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2007 12:05 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;27714 wrote:
Everything Jesus taught has come true in my life. He has arisen within me. I dwell within Him, as well. When I follow His Truth, I am saved. My life parallels His, in the most critical ways. He is my Savior, without whom I am nothing. Fight, Christian warriors. Fight. Drive out the pagans. If they refuse to convert, force them back into darkness.


Not the kind of words that Jesus would use.

You are not learning very well.
God is a God of inclusion, not exclusion.
If you are a Christian example, you are a poor one.

Regards
DL
SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2007 04:25 pm
@Greatest I am cv,
Greatest I am;27726 wrote:
For His pleasure.

Regards
DL


Is this your self opinion or is it supported by proofs from your sacred book? If is from your sacred book, I want you to write the passages quoted from your book that support your claim.


Remember that true faith (religion) is taken from a sacred revealed book not from everyone self opinion or self interpretation.
Drnaline
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2007 04:31 pm
@SWORD of GOD,
Well that explains why you can speak your own opinion. But when you post a quote in this forum do you not have an opinion on it,s interpretation?
SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2007 04:45 pm
@Volunteer,
The Questions No Christian Wants to Answer..continue without any real challenge

Undeniable Contradictions in the Bible

QUESTION:

Who is the father of Joseph?

(a) Jacob: "And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ" [MAT 1:16]

OR

(b) Heli: "And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli" [LUK 3:23]


So, How can the Bible be a Divine book when it contradicts itself like this !!? How can you trust such a book !?

This adds to the long list of evidences about the fabrications in the man-made bible.




"Do they not then consider the Qur'an carefully? Had it been from other than Allah, they would surely have found therein many a contradiction." (Qur'an 4: 82).

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Drnaline
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2007 04:52 pm
@Drnaline,
Drnaline;27774 wrote:
Well that explains why you can speak your own opinion. But when you post a quote in this forum do you not have an opinion on it,s interpretation?
?!!!!
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2007 04:54 pm
@SWORD of GOD,
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So, How can the Bible be a Divine book when it contradicts itself like this !!?
You say allah wrote the quran? Or was it muhammid or a scibe? if is wasn't allah himself, your devine book is crap.
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2007 05:46 pm
@Greatest I am cv,
Greatest I am;27728 wrote:
Not the kind of words that Jesus would use.

You are not learning very well.
God is a God of inclusion, not exclusion.
If you are a Christian example, you are a poor one.

Regards
DL



No...those are words Constantine, Charlemagne, et al, would and did use. In other words, they are the words of the Christian Kings who defeated horde upon horde of barbarians on European battlefields, to keep Europe CHRISTIAN. It is in their spirit that I speak.:AR15firing: :rocketwhore:
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politically-wrong
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jul, 2007 04:05 am
@Drnaline,
Drnaline;27783 wrote:
You say allah wrote the quran? Or was it muhammid or a scibe? if is wasn't allah himself, your devine book is crap.

so u want God to write this book by himself as u say, or its crap, u know if some one i believe to be a prophet gives me a book and say's that its from GOD , i would believe him because prophets dont lie, the question isnot who wrote the Quran or Bible OR any holybook for that matter, its whether u believe the man presenting it is a prophet or not, u need to clearly understand what it is that u dont understand.
Drnaline
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jul, 2007 07:28 am
@politically-wrong,
politically-wrong;27844 wrote:
Drnaline;27783 wrote:
You say allah wrote the quran? Or was it muhammid or a scibe? if is wasn't allah himself, your devine book is crap.

so u want God to write this book by himself as u say, or its crap, u know if some one i believe to be a prophet gives me a book and say's that its from GOD , i would believe him because prophets dont lie, the question isnot who wrote the Quran or Bible OR any holybook for that matter, its whether u believe the man presenting it is a prophet or not, u need to clearly understand what it is that u dont understand.
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so u want God to write this book by himself as u say, or its crap,
No, ask him who wrote our bible and then ask him who wrote the quran. There is no other possiblility but them both being man made. I do not deny this, he does.
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u know if some one i believe to be a prophet gives me a book and say's that its from GOD , i would believe him because prophets dont lie,
What proof do you have that this statement is true, anything other then opinion?
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the question isnot who wrote the Quran or Bible OR any holybook for that matter, its whether u believe the man presenting it is a prophet or not,
I do not believe muhammid was a prophet, a pedophile is more like it.
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u need to clearly understand what it is that u dont understand.
I understand that Allah didnt write it, neither did muhammid. So the word of allah has been deseminated at least three times, so much for being the word of allah. Its the interpretation through a human through another human, that don't look good for his point of arguement.
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jul, 2007 07:43 am
@SWORD of GOD,
On a second note, i like the way you try and change what the question is. Since S of G couldn't or wouldn't answer i'll ask you "Who wrote your Quran?"
Greatest I am cv
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jul, 2007 11:18 am
@SWORD of GOD,
SWORD of GOD;27772 wrote:
Is this your self opinion or is it supported by proofs from your sacred book? If is from your sacred book, I want you to write the passages quoted from your book that support your claim.


Remember that true faith (religion) is taken from a sacred revealed book not from everyone self opinion or self interpretation.


Do you have another purpose for God.
You asked for an opinion, you received it.
It is either right or wrong. Which is it and what is your offering if mine is wrong?

Regards
DL
Volunteer
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jul, 2007 05:50 pm
@SWORD of GOD,
SWORD of GOD;27420 wrote:
I want you please to write them in their correct context as you claimed.


No need to. Instead of sniping with snipets, you can do as you suggest. Read the Bible and if you choose to quote it, quote the whole passage or the entire chapter you have in mind. That puts the passage in context. The power is yours to do this just as the power is mine.

If you are truly seeking the truth and not just proselytizing for Islam, then you'll do as suggested.

I don't read the Koran because I have no wish to. I don't criticize the Koran because it doesn't matter to me since I believe Islam is false.

You seem to have a need to tear down The Bible (The Book), Christianity, and Judaism. Is this because of Ishmael?

If you choose to tear down the Bible, Christianity, and Judaism, you would be more effective to your aim if you read the Bible with an open mind instead of to refute.

Then, after you've done this, if you still wish to refute the Bible, and more specifically, the Gospel (the Good News for all humanity), then you'll have more of an understanding of the beliefs you are attempting to shake. More understanding should make your arguments more effective. The way you're doing it now just shows your ignorance and predjudice.
SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jul, 2007 09:57 pm
@Greatest I am cv,
Greatest I am;27877 wrote:
Do you have another purpose for God.
You asked for an opinion, you received it.
It is either right or wrong. Which is it and what is your offering if mine is wrong?

Regards
DL


This means you do not have any information or proof from your Bible to support your opinion. You just guess.

In Islam, we have answers for all the questions. To answer the question of "Why God created mankind?", Allah (God) in the Quran said:

[SIZE="3"]"And I (Allah) created not the jinn and mankind except that they should worship Me (Alone)." [Quran 51:56].[/SIZE]
SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jul, 2007 09:59 pm
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;27913 wrote:
No need to. Instead of sniping with snipets, you can do as you suggest. Read the Bible and if you choose to quote it, quote the whole passage or the entire chapter you have in mind. That puts the passage in context. The power is yours to do this just as the power is mine.

If you are truly seeking the truth and not just proselytizing for Islam, then you'll do as suggested.

I don't read the Koran because I have no wish to. I don't criticize the Koran because it doesn't matter to me since I believe Islam is false.

You seem to have a need to tear down The Bible (The Book), Christianity, and Judaism. Is this because of Ishmael?

If you choose to tear down the Bible, Christianity, and Judaism, you would be more effective to your aim if you read the Bible with an open mind instead of to refute.

Then, after you've done this, if you still wish to refute the Bible, and more specifically, the Gospel (the Good News for all humanity), then you'll have more of an understanding of the beliefs you are attempting to shake. More understanding should make your arguments more effective. The way you're doing it now just shows your ignorance and predjudice.


Your desperate response means that you do not trust your man-made Bible.
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Greatest I am cv
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jul, 2007 06:51 am
@SWORD of GOD,
SWORD of GOD;27935 wrote:
This means you do not have any information or proof from your Bible to support your opinion. You just guess.

In Islam, we have answers for all the questions. To answer the question of "Why God created mankind?", Allah (God) in the Quran said:

[SIZE="3"]"And I (Allah) created not the jinn and mankind except that they should worship Me (Alone)." [Quran 51:56].[/SIZE]


This is an extremely self serving reason the same as my God. Does this not lead exactly to the same reason as my God. Pleasure for God?
What difference then between mine and yours. None yet.

Do you picture your God sitting there for eternity with billions laying at His feet mumbling His praise. What God would not be bored with this after about 10 minutes.

Eternity is a long time. If God has nothing better to do with His time then He does not deserve our adoration.

Regards
DL
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Greatest I am cv
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jul, 2007 06:55 am
@SWORD of GOD,
In the end, if all God wants is prostrated humans in His sight then He must have an inferior complex to beat all complexes. OK for God I guess. Not so interesting for humans.

Surely God can come up with a better itinerary for Himself in the end and not such a useless position.

Regards
DL
SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jul, 2007 05:25 pm
@Greatest I am cv,
Greatest I am;27955 wrote:
In the end, if all God wants is prostrated humans in His sight then He must have an inferior complex to beat all complexes. OK for God I guess. Not so interesting for humans.

Surely God can come up with a better itinerary for Himself in the end and not such a useless position.

Regards
DL



QUESTION:

Who is the father of Joseph?

(a) Jacob: "And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ" [MAT 1:16]

OR

(b) Heli: "And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli" [LUK 3:23]

!!!?
politically-wrong
 
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Reply Sat 28 Jul, 2007 02:22 am
@Drnaline,
Drnaline;27846 wrote:
On a second note, i like the way you try and change what the question is. Since S of G couldn't or wouldn't answer i'll ask you "Who wrote your Quran?"


when u say wrote are u talking about the author , or simply the one who wrote it (not neccessarily the author)?
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Greatest I am cv
 
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Reply Sat 28 Jul, 2007 10:11 am
@SWORD of GOD,
SWORD of GOD;28021 wrote:
QUESTION:

Who is the father of Joseph?

(a) Jacob: "And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ" [MAT 1:16]

OR

(b) Heli: "And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli" [LUK 3:23]

!!!?


What does this have to do with our topic?

Regards
DL
 

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