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If Jesus was God ...

 
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jul, 2007 05:12 pm
@Greatest I am cv,
Greatest I am;27246 wrote:
Let us compare God's then.
I follow a Christian philosophy with a twist.
God is Perfect and only produces Perfection.
He creates all souls Perfect and gives us all a Perfect nature to follow.
Some to good, some to evil but still within God's Perfect envelope.
Those who are prone to evil are automatically forgiven thanks to Jesus who is the redeemer of the all.

How does your God compare.

Regards
DL


There is nothing automatic about God's forgiveness. You must first repent of sin and accept Christ Jesus as your Redeemer.
Arterion
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jul, 2007 06:29 pm
@Greatest I am cv,
Greatest I am;27199 wrote:
As the tree of knowledge of good and evil, the Bible shows us both the Christ and the Antichrist. It is to us to dither out who is speaking.
You seem to recognize the Antichrist. We will see if you as knowledgeable with the Christ.

Regards
DL


What does that even mean? Are you claiming that the ancient laws to stone people, acted upon in the name of god, and clearly written in the "holy books" are, in fact, works of the antichrist?
SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jul, 2007 08:38 pm
@Greatest I am cv,
Greatest I am;27246 wrote:
Let us compare God's then.
I follow a Christian philosophy with a twist.
God is Perfect and only produces Perfection.
He creates all souls Perfect and gives us all a Perfect nature to follow.
Some to good, some to evil but still within God's Perfect envelope.
Those who are prone to evil are automatically forgiven thanks to Jesus who is the redeemer of the all.

How does your God compare.

Regards
DL


Well, I advice you to read and study your Bible throughly by yourself before you believe in false illusions or church deception:

Jesus is not perfect !

[John 14:28] Jesus said: "My Father (GOD) is greater than I"
[Mark 10:18] Jesus said: “And Jesus said to him, ‘Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.”
[John 14:28 ] Jesus said: "My Father (GOD) is greater than I"
[John 8:28] Jesus said "I do nothing of myself"
[Matthew 24:36] Jesus said: "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."


Punishment in Eternal Hellfire !

Jesus said: "If your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; it is better for you to enter life crippled or lame, than to have two hands or two feet and be cast into the eternal fire.” [Matthew 18:8]


Jesus said: "If your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out and throw it from you. It is better for you to enter life with one eye, than to have two eyes and be cast into the fiery hell." [Matthew 18:9].


Jesus said: "Not everyone who says to Me,'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. Many will say to Me on that day,'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' "And then I will declare to them,'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'[Matt. 7:21-23].


A Christian who sins does not know Jesus !

No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him. Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. [1 John 3:6-9]


[SIZE="3"]Allah in Quran says:[/SIZE]

Allah (The Creator) is Perfect:

"Allah! There is no God but He, the Living, the Self-subsisting, the Eternal. No slumber can seize Him, nor sleep. All things in heaven and earth are His.
Who could intercede in His presence without His permission? He knows what appears in front of and behind His creatures. Nor can they encompass any knowledge of Him except what he wills. His throne extends over the heavens and the earth, and He feels no fatigue in guarding and preserving them, for He is the Highest and Most Exalted. [Quran 2: 255]

"Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him." [Quran 112]

Forgivness:

"Say (O Muhammad): If you love Allah, follow me: Allah will love you, and grant you protection from your sins. And Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. Say: Obey Allah and the Messenger, but if they turn back, Allah surely loves not the disbelievers." [Quran 3:30-31]

"Whosoever does an evil deed, will not be requited except the like thereof; and whosoever does a righteous deed, whether male or female and is a true believer (in the Oneness of Allah), such will enter Paradise, where they will be provided therein (with all things in abundance) without limit.” [Quran 40:40].
SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jul, 2007 08:51 pm
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;27260 wrote:
Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. The rocks cry out this truth.


“The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was but a Messenger of God, and His word which He conveyed to Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him.” [Quran, 4:171]

"Truly, the likeness of Jesus with ALLAH (God) is as the likeness of Adam. He created him of dust, and then said to him, 'Be!' and he was." [Quran 3:59]

"I (Jesus) have come to you with a sign from your Lord (Allah): I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it and it becomes a bird by ALLAH’s (God's) leave. And I heal the blind, and the lepers, and I raise the dead by ALLAH’s (God's) leave." [Quran 3:49]

“Indeed, the angels said: ‘O Mary! God gives you glad tidings of a word from Him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, illustrious in this world and the Hereafter, and he shall be among those brought near [to God]. He will speak to humankind in the cradle and in manhood, and he is of the righteous.” [Quran, 3:45]


[Mar 12:29] Jesus answered, "The most important is, 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord OUR God is ONE Lord” (Bible)

""Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good–except God alone." (From the NIV Bible, Mark 10:18)"
SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jul, 2007 11:01 pm
@Volunteer,
The Questions No Christian Wants to Answer..continue without any real challenge

Undeniable Contradictions in the Bible

QUESTION:

When David defeated the King of Zobah, how many horsemen did he capture?

(a) One thousand and seven hundred (2 Samuel 8:4).

OR

(b) Seven thousand (1 Chronicles 18:4).


So, How can the Bible be a Divine book when it contradicts itself like this !!?

This adds to the long list of evidences about the fabrications in the man-made bible.




"Do they not then consider the Qur'an carefully? Had it been from other than Allah, they would surely have found therein many a contradiction." (Qur'an 4: 82).

You can hear the Quran beautiful recitation (in Arabic) here for any chapter: IslamWeb - English

And you can hear the Quran recitation in Arabic with online audio English translation here Quran Recitaion with English Translation
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Sat 21 Jul, 2007 09:52 am
@SWORD of GOD,
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This adds to the long list of evidences about the fabrications in the man-made bible.
Who made your book? It wouldn't by chance be man made?
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Volunteer
 
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Reply Sat 21 Jul, 2007 12:08 pm
@SWORD of GOD,
SWORD of GOD;27284 wrote:
“The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was but a Messenger of God, and His word which He conveyed to Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him.” [Quran, 4:171]

"Truly, the likeness of Jesus with ALLAH (God) is as the likeness of Adam. He created him of dust, and then said to him, 'Be!' and he was." [Quran 3:59]

"I (Jesus) have come to you with a sign from your Lord (Allah): I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it and it becomes a bird by ALLAH’s (God's) leave. And I heal the blind, and the lepers, and I raise the dead by ALLAH’s (God's) leave." [Quran 3:49]

“Indeed, the angels said: ‘O Mary! God gives you glad tidings of a word from Him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, illustrious in this world and the Hereafter, and he shall be among those brought near [to God]. He will speak to humankind in the cradle and in manhood, and he is of the righteous.” [Quran, 3:45]


[Mar 12:29] Jesus answered, "The most important is, 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord OUR God is ONE Lord” (Bible)

""Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good–except God alone." (From the NIV Bible, Mark 10:18)"


Sorry, I haven't and won't read the Satanic Verses.

Also, your quotes from the Bible are out of context and provided in the way you've provided them with the intent to mislead.
Greatest I am cv
 
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Reply Sat 21 Jul, 2007 01:18 pm
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;27261 wrote:
There is nothing automatic about God's forgiveness. You must first repent of sin and accept Christ Jesus as your Redeemer.


It seems that I have accepted Jesus more fully than you.
What happened to all the other dead souls that did not have the opportunity to know Jesus. Other continents and other times. Are they ignored by God or are they roasting in Hell.
I believe that Jesus saved all souls, not just a small fraction.

Regards
DL
Greatest I am cv
 
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Reply Sat 21 Jul, 2007 01:22 pm
@Arterion,
Arterion;27270 wrote:
What does that even mean? Are you claiming that the ancient laws to stone people, acted upon in the name of god, and clearly written in the "holy books" are, in fact, works of the antichrist?


Exactly. Here is an example, or would you agree with the writer?

Exodus 31-15
Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

There are other quotes on killing our own sons that I will not bother with here.

I believe that this is the Antichrist speaking. Do you?

Regards
DL
Greatest I am cv
 
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Reply Sat 21 Jul, 2007 01:28 pm
@SWORD of GOD,
Sword

If Allah is Perfect as you say then why would He need a Hell to store His mistakes. Is He incompetent in the creation of souls and cannot make them Perfect as Himself.

If Perfect He would have started in a Perfect universe without blemish.
Has He back slided to where He will now has this blight in His once Perfect universe?

Regards
DL
Volunteer
 
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Reply Sat 21 Jul, 2007 06:20 pm
@Greatest I am cv,
Greatest I am;27370 wrote:
It seems that I have accepted Jesus more fully than you.
What happened to all the other dead souls that did not have the opportunity to know Jesus. Other continents and other times. Are they ignored by God or are they roasting in Hell.
I believe that Jesus saved all souls, not just a small fraction.

Regards
DL


I don't know what happened. You don't know what happened. God does know. What is your point?
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Sat 21 Jul, 2007 06:48 pm
@SWORD of GOD,
Fight, Christian Warriors. Fight.
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SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Sat 21 Jul, 2007 09:37 pm
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;27353 wrote:
Sorry,#@%$*&@ّ
Also, your quotes from the Bible are out of context and provided in the way you've provided them with the intent to mislead.


I want you please to write them in their correct context as you claimed.
SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Sat 21 Jul, 2007 09:40 pm
@Greatest I am cv,
Greatest I am;27372 wrote:
Sword

If Allah is Perfect as you say then why would He need a Hell to store His mistakes. Is He incompetent in the creation of souls and cannot make them Perfect as Himself.

If Perfect He would have started in a Perfect universe without blemish.
Has He back slided to where He will now has this blight in His once Perfect universe?

Regards
DL


Before I answer your question, I would like you please to tell us what's the purpose of creating mankind from the perspective of your own faith? Why did God create mankind?
Campbell34
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jul, 2007 12:03 pm
@Silverchild79,
Silverchild79;13696 wrote:
Unfortunately Jesus did not fulfill all the prophecies of the OT, as educated Jews will tell you, the 70 weeks of Daniel were not fufilled


That is correct, Jesus will fulfill the rest of the prophecies at the time of His return. And it will be Jesus who will open Jerusalems sealed East Gate.
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Arterion
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jul, 2007 10:10 pm
@Greatest I am cv,
Greatest I am;27371 wrote:
Exactly. Here is an example, or would you agree with the writer?

Exodus 31-15
Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

There are other quotes on killing our own sons that I will not bother with here.

I believe that this is the Antichrist speaking. Do you?

Regards
DL


No, I think it's all a work of fiction. None of it should be trusted. Follow what you know in your heart to be right. You do not need a book to command you what is right and wrong.
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2007 10:37 am
@SWORD of GOD,
Everything Jesus taught has come true in my life. He has arisen within me. I dwell within Him, as well. When I follow His Truth, I am saved. My life parallels His, in the most critical ways. He is my Savior, without whom I am nothing. Fight, Christian warriors. Fight. Drive out the pagans. If they refuse to convert, force them back into darkness.
mako cv
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2007 10:47 am
@Volunteer,
Quote:
Jesus will fulfill the rest of the prophecies at the time of His return

He said he would return "while those standing here have not tasted death". That was 2000 years ago and they are long dead. He can't come back now, Jews stone false prophets and he did not do as he prophecied. :patriot:
Greatest I am cv
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2007 11:55 am
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;27404 wrote:
I don't know what happened. You don't know what happened. God does know. What is your point?


If you believe in Jesus then you should give Him success.

Regards
DL
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Greatest I am cv
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2007 11:58 am
@SWORD of GOD,
SWORD of GOD;27421 wrote:
Before I answer your question, I would like you please to tell us what's the purpose of creating mankind from the perspective of your own faith? Why did God create mankind?


For His pleasure.

Regards
DL
 

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