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@SWORD of GOD,

SWORD of GOD;25170 wrote:

I am sure now that you are just a chrisitian apologist who would never admit that his man-made bible contains major errors and scientifically false statements no matter what.

Nevertheless, and for the sake of argument I am quoting the following statements from Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:

"Cud is a portion of food that returns from a ruminant's stomach in the mouth to be chewed for the second time. More accurately, it is a bolus of semi-degraded food regurgitated from the reticulorumen of a ruminant. Cud is produced during the process of rumination, or "chewing the cud". The expression chewing one's cud means meditating or pondering." Cud - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Rumination may mean calm, lengthy consideration, but can have several meanings, which need to be addressed separately: Cud chewing of Cows and other Ruminants.."
Rumination - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Ruminant is to chew cud" from ruminant - Definitions from Dictionary.com

Ruminate "to turn over in the mind," also "to chew cud" (1547), from L. ruminatus, pp. of ruminare "to chew the cud, turn over in the mind," from rumen (gen. ruminis) "gullet," of uncertain origin.
Source: Online Etymology Dictionary Online Etymology Dictionary

Ruminant: Any of various even-toed hoofed mammals of the suborder Ruminantia. Ruminants usually have a stomach divided into four compartments (called the rumen, reticulum, omasum, and abomasum), and chew a cud consisting of regurgitated, partially digested food. Ruminants include cattle, sheep, goats, deer, giraffes, antelopes, and camels.

Source: The American Heritage Science Dictionary -http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ruminant

: Any of various hoofed, even-toed, usually horned mammals of the suborder Ruminantia, such as cattle, sheep, goats, deer, and giraffes, characteristically having a stomach divided into four compartments and chewing a cud ruminant - Definitions from Dictionary.com

Definition of To chew the cud by The Free Online Dictionary: "is to chew the food over again, as a cow; to ruminate; hence, to meditate. to ruminate;.. "
Source: To chew the cud - definition of To chew the cud by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

Now for the second and last time, I am asking you if you -still out of arrogance- want to continue denying this fact, then show from a known scientific website that Hares Chew Cud.

You still do not answer my question correctly my brother... Do the Bible said ruminant? The Bible said 'chew the cud'... You were quoting the science definition of ruminant which was only defined in 1847 by Richard Owen and it is very unfair for someone to claim that a 3,000 yrs old plus writing of the Bible especially Leviticus and Deuteronomy is in contradiction because it does not match with science classification of animals invented only 160 yrs old to be exact. Did scientist study the behaviour of Hare 3,000 yrs ago or Did science has the thourough study of Hare in the past 200 years?

My conclusion is that an animal can chew the cud and yet not a member of ruminant just to go parallel with your argument...

Now, pls answer my question, did the Bible said ruminant????

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@SWORD of GOD,

"I am sure now that you are just a chrisitian apologist who would never admit that his man-made bible contains major errors and scientifically false statements no matter what."

What.....and your Koran doesn't!???! Yeah....right.

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@chico,

chico;25387 wrote:

You still do not answer my question correctly my brother... Do the Bible said ruminant? The Bible said 'chew the cud'... You were quoting the science definition of ruminant which was only defined in 1847 by Richard Owen and it is very unfair for someone to claim that a 3,000 yrs old plus writing of the Bible especially Leviticus and Deuteronomy is in contradiction because it does not match with science classification of animals invented only 160 yrs old to be exact. Did scientist study the behaviour of Hare 3,000 yrs ago or Did science has the thourough study of Hare in the past 200 years?

My conclusion is that an animal can chew the cud and yet not a member of ruminant just to go parallel with your argument...

Now, pls answer my question, did the Bible said ruminant????

I can play this game with you and ask you:

Why you believe Jesus (PBUH) is God, Did Jesus HIMSELF EXPLICITLY say I AM GOD ?????

Why you worship Jesus (PBUH), Did Jesus HIMSELF EXPLICITLY say WORSHIP ME ?????

Why you believe that Jesus died for you to forgive the original Sin, Did Jesus HIMSELF EXPLICITLY say in the bible HE CAME TO DIE for the Forivness of the Original Sin???

Did Jesus HIMSELF mention Adam and/or the Original Sin even once in the bible????

If Jesus HIMSELF EXPLICITLY said any of the above claims then support your answers with exact quotes from your man-made bible.

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@chico,

chico;25092 wrote:

Does the Bible said ruminant? The Bible said 'chews the cud' not ruminant to be exact. The Hare chews cud and it is scientifically correct... Cud chewing is the process where half digested vegetation was rechewed and Hare chews the cud.... Do you want to bet????

I will not let you go with this nonsense ignorant statement.

I want you to provide me with a proof from a known Scientific website that support your false calim: "Hare chews the cud".

Or you should apologize and admit that you were telling lies.

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@Campbell34,

The Questions No Christian Wants to Answer..continue without any real challenge

QUESTION:

Bible says Fowls have four legs !!

KJV [Leviticus 11 :20] "All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you ."

How can a divine book –as claimed by Christians- contains this nonsense passage which contradicts any simple common sense and basic science!!!?

Can any Christian show us where in the earth we can find a single bird with four legs. You can see these kind of jokes only in Bible and fables. Bibles says there are winged creatures (birds or insects) that go around on all fours. There are no birds that go around on four legs, and all insects have at least six legs.

"Do they not see the birds, constrained in the middle of the sky ? None withhold them but Allah ; most surely there are signs in this for a people who believe" (Holy Quran 16 :79)

"And there is no animal that walks upon the earth nor the birds that flies with its two wings (but) they are genera like yourselves" (Holy Quran 6: 38)

"Do not the unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together, then We clove them asunder and We got every living thing out of WATER , Will they then not believe " (Holy Quran 78:6-7)

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@SWORD of GOD,

I can play this game with you and ask you:

Why you believe Jesus (PBUH) is God, Did Jesus HIMSELF EXPLICITLY say I AM GOD ?????

I am not one of them that believe Jesus is called God in the Bible. Jesus said in John 17.3 '...and this is eternal life that they know thee (Father) the only true God...' But who is Jesus??? Jesus is the Word of God made flesh (John 1.14)... Jesus said in John 16.28 'I came from the Father and have come into the world'... Jesus also said in John 4.24 'God is Spirit'.. If God is spirit and Jesus came from God then what is the nature of Jesus before? Paul said in Phil 2.6 'who thou he (Jesus) was in the form of God....' Jesus before was the Spirit of God. he is in the wilderness with Moises and he is with all the prophets of God... All things were made through him and nothing that was made was not made without him.. Did you see Jesus in Gen 1.1-2 'In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form and void and darkness was upon the face of the deep and the Spirit of God was moving over the face of the waters...' See... the Spirit of God (Jesus) was working like a master craftman (Prov 8)

Why you worship Jesus (PBUH), Did Jesus HIMSELF EXPLICITLY say WORSHIP ME ?????

God permitted us to worship Jesus. In Phil 2.9 'Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name which above every name that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow in heaven and on earth and under the earth and every toungue confess that Jesus is Lord to the glory of God the Father'. See.. God permitted Jesus to be worshipped and bestowed on him the name which is above every name and even better than the name of your prophet Muhamad... Every knee should bow including the knee of your prophet Muhamad...

Why you believe that Jesus died for you to forgive the original Sin, Did Jesus HIMSELF EXPLICITLY say in the bible HE CAME TO DIE for the Forivness of the Original Sin???

There is no original sin stated in the Bible... Sorry you are barking on the wrong tree...

Did Jesus HIMSELF mention Adam and/or the Original Sin even once in the bible????

I said there is no original sin stated in the Bible... You are barking on the wrong tree....

SWORDOFGOD,

You are running now and do not want to face squarely my question... Why??? Did you find the Bible correct in saying that Hare chew cud?

You are also struggling... You seems to look for human error now instead of Bible error? Anyway, for your satisfaction pls look for my answers inbetween your questions above.......

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@chico,

chico;25422 wrote:

I can play this game with you and ask you:

Why you believe Jesus (PBUH) is God, Did Jesus HIMSELF EXPLICITLY say I AM GOD ?????

I am not one of them that believe Jesus is called God in the Bible. Jesus said in John 17.3 '...and this is eternal life that they know thee (Father) the only true God...' But who is Jesus??? Jesus is the Word of God made flesh (John 1.14)... Jesus said in John 16.28 'I came from the Father and have come into the world'... Jesus also said in John 4.24 'God is Spirit'.. If God is spirit and Jesus came from God then what is the nature of Jesus before? Paul said in Phil 2.6 'who thou he (Jesus) was in the form of God....' Jesus before was the Spirit of God. he is in the wilderness with Moises and he is with all the prophets of God... All things were made through him and nothing that was made was not made without him.. Did you see Jesus in Gen 1.1-2 'In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form and void and darkness was upon the face of the deep and the Spirit of God was moving over the face of the waters...' See... the Spirit of God (Jesus) was working like a master craftman (Prov 8)

Why you worship Jesus (PBUH), Did Jesus HIMSELF EXPLICITLY say WORSHIP ME ?????

God permitted us to worship Jesus. In Phil 2.9 'Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name which above every name that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow in heaven and on earth and under the earth and every toungue confess that Jesus is Lord to the glory of God the Father'. See.. God permitted Jesus to be worshipped and bestowed on him the name which is above every name and even better than the name of your prophet Muhamad... Every knee should bow including the knee of your prophet Muhamad...

Why you believe that Jesus died for you to forgive the original Sin, Did Jesus HIMSELF EXPLICITLY say in the bible HE CAME TO DIE for the Forivness of the Original Sin???

There is no original sin stated in the Bible... Sorry you are barking on the wrong tree...

Did Jesus HIMSELF mention Adam and/or the Original Sin even once in the bible????

I said there is no original sin stated in the Bible... You are barking on the wrong tree....

SWORDOFGOD,

You are running now and do not want to face squarely my question... Why??? Did you find the Bible correct in saying that Hare chew cud?

You are also struggling... You seems to look for human error now instead of Bible error? Anyway, for your satisfaction pls look for my answers inbetween your questions above.......

As you are unable to provide any explicit statement by Jesus HIMSELF, I will not bother to argue with you anymore because you just want to play with words and escape from supporting your false claims with any solid proof from your own man-made fabricated bible.

But to be complete, I will just post these simple questions for you:

Where in the bible did Jesus HIMSELF EXPLICITY said I am God manifested in flesh ?

Where in the bible did Jesus HIMSELF EXPLICITLY said I am God the SON?

I am sure you'll never be able -as usual- to answer those questions as I asked them.

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@chico,

If Jesus was God ...

Then why Peter and the apostels said explicitly in the bible that Jesus was raised up by God !?

But Peter and the apostles answered, "We must obey God rather than men. "The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom you had put to death by hanging Him on a cross." [Acts 5:29-30].

"Say: He is Allah (GOD), the ONE and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him." (Quran)

[Mar 12:29]: Jesus answered, "The most important is, 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord OUR God is ONE Lord” (Bible)

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@SWORD of GOD,

SWORD of GOD;25423 wrote:

As you are unable to provide any explicit statement by Jesus HIMSELF, I will not bother to argue with you anymore because you just want to play with words and escape from supporting your false claims with any solid proof from your own man-made fabricated bible.

But to be complete, I will just post these simple questions for you:

Where in the bible did Jesus HIMSELF EXPLICITY said I am God manifested in flesh ?

Where in the bible did Jesus HIMSELF EXPLICITLY said I am God the SON?

I am sure you'll never be able -as usual- to answer those questions as I asked them.

I have given you quotes from the Bible and yet you replied I am unable to provide any explicit statement by Jesus... I am questioning you if the Bible said ruminant and no respond from you and yet you replied I am unable to provide any explicit statement... You are struggling my brother and seems to find human errors rather than Bible errors... You are running and avoid to answer squarely my questions....

As I said Jesus was not called God in the Bible nor God the Son. There are no verses Jesus explicitly said so.....

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@SWORD of GOD,

Time for him to beat around Muhammid Bush.

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@SWORD of GOD,

Absolute proof Matthew 28:19 has been corrupted by trinitarians:

Trinitarians have sinned against Jesus Christ For putting words in the Bible HE NEVER SAID

By: Dr. G. Reckart, Apostolic Theological Bible College

Click here to discover the truth: Mathew 28:19 Fraud Exposed

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@SWORD of GOD,

For 2,000 years, Jews have rejected the Christian idea of Jesus as messiah. Why?

Jewish scholars state that Christian trinitarians corrupted and twisted the words of the Old Testament to justify their Trinity Paganism man-made faith.

Click here Why Don't Jews Believe In Jesus | The difference between Judaism and Christianity

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@SWORD of GOD,

I disagree with Islam. It's wrong.

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@chico,

[SIZE="3"]The Bible: what is it good for?[/SIZE]

Times Online, October 5, 2005

The Roman Catholic Church has instructed the faithful that some parts of the Bible are not actually true, and that they should not expect 'total accuracy' in Scripture. What do you look for when you read the Bible? Do you swear by it?

Click here to read moreThe Bible: what is it good for? -Times Online

[SIZE="3"]Catholic Church no longer swears by truth of the Bible[/SIZE]

From: The Times October 5, 2005

By Ruth Gledhill, Religion Correspondent

THE hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church has published a teaching document instructing the faithful that some parts of the Bible are not actually true.

Click here to read moreCatholic Church no longer swears by truth of the Bible - Times Online

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@CancerMan,

CancerMan;13190 wrote:

The Old Testament is the Jewish foundation to the Bible.
I personally do not subscribe to the Old Testament much.
It is more like a history book for the Jewish people.

It is the NEW TESTAMENT that I live by.

And yet if it were not for the Old Testament we Christians would not of known who Jesus Christ was, for Jesus fulfilled the 300 prophecies of the Old Testament. Also, many of the prophecies dealing with the return of Christ found in the New Testament could not be understood unless you had the other half of the prophecies which are found in the Old Testament. For the student of the Bible, both the Old and the New Testaments are required for understanding.

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@SWORD of GOD,

For 2,000 years, Jews have rejected the Christian idea of Jesus as messiah. Why?

Jewish scholars state that Christian trinitarians corrupted and twisted the words of the Old Testament to justify their Trinity Paganism man-made faith.

Click here to read Why Don't Jews Believe In Jesus | The difference between Judaism and Christianity

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@SWORD of GOD,

Pope reasserts other Christian denominations are not true churches

By NICOLE WINFIELD
Associated Press
Posted July 10 2007
Pope reasserts other Christian denominations are not true churches: South Florida Sun-Sentinel

LORENZAGO DI CADORE, Italy -- Pope Benedict XVI has reasserted the universal primacy of the Roman Catholic Church, approving a document released Tuesday that says Orthodox churches were defective and that other Christian denominations were not true churches.

Benedict approved a document from his old offices at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith that restates church teaching on relations with other Christians. It was the second time in a week the pope has corrected what he says are erroneous interpretations of the Second Vatican Council, the 1962-65 meetings that modernized the church.

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@SWORD of GOD,

Vatican's New Catechism declares Muslims and Jews to be saved!

Vatican's New Catechism declares Muslims and Jews to be saved!

841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."[330]

This paragraph essentially proclaims that "the plan of salvation" includes all faiths that acknowledge the true creator. The reasoning given is that since the Muslims claim the faith of Abraham, and worship the one true God, they are not only among the saved, but are at the top of any such list.

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@SWORD of GOD,

Sword of God,

You know what???? You will never understand the Bible.
You are one of those people which Prophet Daniel prophesied in DANIEL 12.9-10 'GO YOUR WAY DANIEL, FOR THE WORDS ARE SHUT AND SEALED UNTIL THE TIME OF THE END. MANY SHALL PURIFY THEMSELVES AND MAKE THEMSELVES WHITE AND BE REFINED BUT THE WICKED SHALL DO WICKEDNESS AND NONE OF THE WICKED SHALL UNDERSTAND BUT THOSE WHO ARE WISE SHALL UNDERSTAND..'

Unless you change your mind........

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@SWORD of GOD,

One sad truth is that Christianity, Judaism and Islam cannot peacefully co-exist. I guess we have to keep trying, though. We must always try to make the world a better place.

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