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If Jesus was God ...

 
 
SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jul, 2007 08:13 am
@Campbell34,
The Questions No Christian Wants to Answer..continue without any real challenge

QUESTION:

Why there is No single evidence in the Bible that christian WOMEN will enter the Kingdom of God (Heaven)!?

On the contrary, the Bible clearly states that WOMEN will NEVER enter the Kingdom of God !!

"And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders; and no one could learn the song except the one hundred and forty-four thousand who had been purchased from the earth." [Rv:14:3 ]

"These are the ones who have not been defiled with WOMEN, for they have kept themselves chaste. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These have been purchased from among men as first fruits to God and to the Lamb." [ Rv:14:4 ]

It's important here to mention that Allah in Quran explicitly said that both Muslim MEN and WOMEN will enter Paradise:

"Whosoever does an evil deed, will not be requited except the like thereof; and whosoever does a righteous deed, whether male or female and is a true believer (in the Oneness of Allah), such will enter Paradise, where they will be provided therein (with all things in abundance) without limit.”[Quran 40:40].
Greatest I am cv
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jul, 2007 10:43 am
@SWORD of GOD,
SWORD of GOD;24741 wrote:
Question

Why you -christias- don't listen when The bible stated that Jesus (PBUH) was a PROPHET!?:

Fear gripped them all, and they began glorifying God, saying, "A great prophet has arisen among us!" and, "God has visited His people! This report concerning Him went out all over Judea and in all the surrounding district." [Luke 7:16-17]


This Christian believes that Jesus was wholly human and our best and last prophet.
He was not some kind of hybrid human god combo.

God would not practice bestiality to produce Himself. Dumb notion for sure.

Regards
DL
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Greatest I am cv
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jul, 2007 10:47 am
@Campbell34,
Campbell34;24758 wrote:
What message has God hidden? I believe God has been obvious about His message. It seems to me, you have worked hard to deny His message, and often ignore what is clearly stated in the Scriptures.

Christ death on the Cross was real, and the Bible clearly tells us that human conscious does not end at death. So there is no twisted philosophy here, just your denial of Biblical fact. I myself had a taste of life beyond death. In 1969 I accidently got caught on a 7,400 volt eletrical line. While I was laying on the ground and unable to move I was able to see things that I should not of been able to see, yet I now understand that it was not my physical eyes that gave me this ability, rather my spiritual eyes.


If you were looking with spiritual eyes then you should know that God would not lower Himself to bestiality with a human just to create Himself. Give your head a shake man.

Regards
DL
chico
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jul, 2007 08:25 pm
@SWORD of GOD,
SWORD of GOD;24770 wrote:
The Questions No Christian Wants to Answer..continue without any real challenge

QUESTION:


In John 3.16 states 'FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON THAT WHOSOEVER BELIEVE IN HIM SHALL NOT PERISH BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE'... This is the most basic teaching of our Lord Jesus Christ which is very clear to all Christian and Muslim alike unless you refused to believe. Is 'WHOSOEVER' in this text has gender? Jesus must have said 'THAT ONLY MAN WHO BELIEVE IN HIM' to agree with your argument... 'WHOSOEVER' is a combination of male and female, men and women not man/male alone.... I believe this explanation will suffice.....
SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jul, 2007 09:51 pm
@chico,
chico;24863 wrote:
In John 3.16 states 'FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON THAT WHOSOEVER BELIEVE IN HIM SHALL NOT PERISH BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE'... This is the most basic teaching of our Lord Jesus Christ which is very clear to all Christian and Muslim alike unless you refused to believe. Is 'WHOSOEVER' in this text has gender? Jesus must have said 'THAT ONLY MAN WHO BELIEVE IN HIM' to agree with your argument... 'WHOSOEVER' is a combination of male and female, men and women not man/male alone.... I believe this explanation will suffice.....



That's a general statement and it does not explicitly mean WOMEN are included or that WOMEN will enter the Kingdom of God.

I have posted to you a passage that's explicitly states only MEN will enter the Kingdom of God:

"These are the ones who have not been defiled with WOMEN, for they have kept themselves chaste. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These have been purchased from among men as first fruits to God and to the Lamb." [ Rv:14:4 ]

I know -as a Muslim- that Jesus (PBUH), as all messengers, was sent with a message that included MEN and WOMEN. I have no doubt about that.

But my question intention is to expose the fabrications in the bible and to show that this bible is not really the word of God which had been revealed to Jesus (PBUH). It's a man-made book. The original Injeel (the sacred book revealed to Jesus) was lost due to the continuous alterations and corruptions by men.
chico
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jul, 2007 09:53 pm
@SWORD of GOD,
SWORD of GOD;24451 wrote:
The Questions No Christian Wants to Answer..continue without any real challenge

QUESTION:USCCB - NAB - 2 Maccabees 15



Only Catholics accepted the doctrine of Maccabees and other books not included in our belief. You can only find these books in the Catholic books like New American Bible. Not all Christians accepted this doctrine.....
chico
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jul, 2007 10:28 pm
@SWORD of GOD,
SWORD of GOD;24871 wrote:
That's a general statement and it does not explicitly mean WOMEN are included or that WOMEN will enter the Kingdom of God.

I have posted to you a passage that's explicitly states only MEN will enter the Kingdom of God:

"These are the ones who have not been defiled with WOMEN, for they have kept themselves chaste. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These have been purchased from among men as first fruits to God and to the Lamb." [ Rv:14:4 ]

I know -as a Muslim- that Jesus (PBUH), as all messengers, was sent with a message that included MEN and WOMEN. I have no doubt about that.

But my question intention is to expose the fabrications in the bible and to show that this bible is not really the word of God which had been revealed to Jesus (PBUH). It's a man-made book. The original Injeel (the sacred book revealed to Jesus) was lost due to the continuous alterations and corruptions by men.


That's what you think and we think otherwise. I know women are included in the kingdom of God and I knew the Bible (in original text) is the true words of God. How can you say that there was original Injeel? How can you say that it was lost due to continuous alterations and corruption of men? God will not permit the original Injeel be lost if ever there is one. Or you are saying hearsay only without basis? Prove that the Bible is not the word of God and I will prove to you otherwise....
SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jul, 2007 11:05 pm
@chico,
chico;24878 wrote:
That's what you think and we think otherwise. I know women are included in the kingdom of God and I knew the Bible (in original text) is the true words of God. How can you say that there was original Injeel? How can you say that it was lost due to continuous alterations and corruption of men? God will not permit the original Injeel be lost if ever there is one. Or you are saying hearsay only without basis? Prove that the Bible is not the word of God and I will prove to you otherwise....


The origianl copies of the bible are missing. Remember that Jesus (PBUH) spoke Aramaic while the copies of the bible were in Greek!

The Injeel which was given to Jesus (PBUH) by God should sound as God himself speaks to the reader not like those man-made bibles!

The main purpose of this thread is to help the interested readers to open their minds to the fact that the current bibles are just man-made books and not the word of God. I am trying to provide you with proofs from your own man-made bible where I show you the many numerical & scientific errors and contradictions in those bibles. A real Divine book would never contain any single error or contradiction because it's from the Creator.
SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jul, 2007 11:10 pm
@chico,
chico;24872 wrote:
Only Catholics accepted the doctrine of Maccabees and other books not included in our belief. You can only find these books in the Catholic books like New American Bible. Not all Christians accepted this doctrine.....



That's true. And this should make you think how a book claimed to be Divine has many different versions and some have 73 gosbels and the other have 66!

Nevertheless, I will continue to provoke your mind by posting other major errors and contradictions from your own bible.
SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jul, 2007 11:24 pm
@SWORD of GOD,
The Questions No Christian Wants to Answer..continue without any real challenge

QUESTION:chew their cud which is scientifically FALSE !!?

"the rabbit also, for though it chews cud, it does not divide the hoof, it is unclean to you;" [Leviticus 11:6]
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chico
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jul, 2007 11:37 pm
@SWORD of GOD,
SWORD of GOD;24886 wrote:
The origianl copies of the bible are missing. Remember that Jesus (PBUH) spoke Aramaic while the copies of the bible were in Greek!

The Injeel which was given to Jesus (PBUH) by God should sound as God himself speaks to the reader not like those man-made bibles!

The main purpose of this thread is to help the interested readers to open their minds to the fact that the current bibles are just man-made books and not the word of God. I am trying to provide you with proofs from your own man-made bible where I show you the many numerical & scientific errors and contradictions in those bibles. A real Divine book would never contain any single error or contradiction because it's from the Creator.


Those books were written by men but inspired by God... There are many alleged discrepancies of the Bible but they can be explained and justified..

'The Injeel which was given to Jesus (PBUH) by God' Where did you get this information? Is there a proof that God gave Injeel to Jesus? There must be basis in what you are saying to validate your point. Let us stick with the Bible which is existing and not defend your understanding based on hearsay only....
SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jul, 2007 11:47 pm
@chico,
chico;24890 wrote:
Those books were written by men but inspired by God... There are many alleged discrepancies of the Bible but they can be explained and justified..

'The Injeel which was given to Jesus (PBUH) by God' Where did you get this information? Is there a proof that God gave Injeel to Jesus? There must be basis in what you are saying to validate your point. Let us stick with the Bible which is existing and not defend your understanding based on hearsay only....
Campbell34
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jul, 2007 11:52 pm
@Greatest I am cv,
Greatest I am;24802 wrote:
If you were looking with spiritual eyes then you should know that God would not lower Himself to bestiality with a human just to create Himself. Give your head a shake man.

Regards
DL


How about you try reading what God has already stated in a prophecy found in the Old Testament.

Is. 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold a VIRGIN shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Is. 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be call Wonderful, Counsellor, THE MIGHTY GOD, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Hundreds of years before Christ ever showed up the Old Testament told us a child was coming to this earth who would be conceived by a VIRGIN and He would be called the MIGHTY GOD.

That prophecy was fulfilled and you can read about it's fulfillment in Mt. 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

You see the prophecy was true, it happened just as the Bible said it would. Yet this sin sick world still refuses to believe it.
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chico
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jul, 2007 12:33 am
@SWORD of GOD,
SWORD of GOD;24887 wrote:
That's true. And this should make you think how a book claimed to be Divine has many different versions and some have 73 gosbels and the other have 66!

Nevertheless, I will continue to provoke your mind by posting other major errors and contradictions from your own bible.


We only believe in 66 books and not 73 books. Those additional books as I said are for Catholics only.
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chico
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jul, 2007 01:05 am
@SWORD of GOD,
SWORD of GOD;24891 wrote:


Rabbits does not chew their cud which is scientifically False because the Bible does not indicate rabbits but Hares. Hare is very different from Rabit althogh they look similar but in different class.
Hare chew their cud which is scientifically correct.

I suggest you look for the right translation of the Bible before you quote. It will back fire on you. Be very careful.... As I said before , there are many translation of the Bible. do not depend on one only, it will not help. Buy all translations and compare it with each other, it will help.... Buy knowledge but do not sell ... as the Bible said....
Greatest I am cv
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jul, 2007 07:03 am
@chico,
chico;24878 wrote:
That's what you think and we think otherwise. I know women are included in the kingdom of God and I knew the Bible (in original text) is the true words of God. How can you say that there was original Injeel? How can you say that it was lost due to continuous alterations and corruption of men? God will not permit the original Injeel be lost if ever there is one. Or you are saying hearsay only without basis? Prove that the Bible is not the word of God and I will prove to you otherwise....


The books of the Bible are those that made the final cut.
Are the other books that were rejected the divine word of God as well?

Regards
DL
chico
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jul, 2007 07:21 pm
@Greatest I am cv,
Greatest I am;24904 wrote:
The books of the Bible are those that made the final cut.
Are the other books that were rejected the divine word of God as well?

Regards
DL


No.... There are lots of contradictions if we accept that books....
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SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jul, 2007 10:11 pm
@chico,
chico;24896 wrote:
Rabbits does not chew their cud which is scientifically False because the Bible does not indicate rabbits but Hares. Hare is very different from Rabit althogh they look similar but in different class.
Hare chew their cud which is scientifically correct.

I suggest you look for the right translation of the Bible before you quote. It will back fire on you. Be very careful.... As I said before , there are many translation of the Bible. do not depend on one only, it will not help. Buy all translations and compare it with each other, it will help.... Buy knowledge but do not sell ... as the Bible said....


You are desperately trying to find any apologetic nonsense excuse for the clear contradictions and errors in your bible.

Even if you use another word "hare" for "Rabbit" (its cousin), do you think you were successful in giving an acceptable excuse for the fabrication of the bible that contradicts basic scientific facts !!?


Hares and Rabbits are NOT ruminant animals and this is a scientifc fact.

For the sake of argument, if you -still out of arrogance- want to continue denying this fact, then show from a known scientific website that Hares are ruminant.

Even in respected christian websites, they admit that the hare is not ruminant. The following statement is quoted from the "International Standard Bible Encyclopedia":

"..The hare and the coney are not ruminants, but might be supposed to be from their habit of almost continually moving their jaws."

This is the link: Hare - International Standard Bible Encyclopedia
chico
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jul, 2007 01:11 am
@SWORD of GOD,
SWORD of GOD;25085 wrote:
You are desperately trying to find any apologetic nonsense excuse for the clear contradictions and errors in your bible.

Even if you use another word "hare" for "Rabbit" (its cousin), do you think you were successful in giving an acceptable excuse for the fabrication of the bible that contradicts basic scientific facts !!?


Hares and Rabbits are NOT ruminant animals and this is a scientifc fact.

For the sake of argument, if you -still out of arrogance- want to continue denying this fact, then show from a known scientific website that Hares are ruminant.

Even in respected christian websites, they admit that the hare is not ruminant. The following statement is quoted from the "International Standard Bible Encyclopedia":

"..The hare and the coney are not ruminants, but might be supposed to be from their habit of almost continually moving their jaws."

This is the link: Hare - International Standard Bible Encyclopedia


Does the Bible said ruminant? The Bible said 'chews the cud' not ruminant to be exact. The Hare chews cud and it is scientifically correct... Cud chewing is the process where half digested vegetation was rechewed and Hare chews the cud.... Do you want to bet????
SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jul, 2007 04:51 pm
@chico,
chico;25092 wrote:
Does the Bible said ruminant? The Bible said 'chews the cud' not ruminant to be exact. The Hare chews cud and it is scientifically correct... Cud chewing is the process where half digested vegetation was rechewed and Hare chews the cud.... Do you want to bet????


I am sure now that you are just a chrisitian apologist who would never admit that his man-made bible contains major errors and scientifically false statements no matter what.


Nevertheless, and for the sake of argument I am quoting the following statements from Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:

"Cud is a portion of food that returns from a ruminant's stomach in the mouth to be chewed for the second time. More accurately, it is a bolus of semi-degraded food regurgitated from the reticulorumen of a ruminant. Cud is produced during the process of rumination, or "chewing the cud". The expression chewing one's cud means meditating or pondering." Cud - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


"Rumination may mean calm, lengthy consideration, but can have several meanings, which need to be addressed separately: Cud chewing of Cows and other Ruminants.."
Rumination - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


"Ruminant is to chew cud" from ruminant - Definitions from Dictionary.com



Ruminate "to turn over in the mind," also "to chew cud" (1547), from L. ruminatus, pp. of ruminare "to chew the cud, turn over in the mind," from rumen (gen. ruminis) "gullet," of uncertain origin.
Source: Online Etymology Dictionary Online Etymology Dictionary


Ruminant: Any of various even-toed hoofed mammals of the suborder Ruminantia. Ruminants usually have a stomach divided into four compartments (called the rumen, reticulum, omasum, and abomasum), and chew a cud consisting of regurgitated, partially digested food. Ruminants include cattle, sheep, goats, deer, giraffes, antelopes, and camels.

Source: The American Heritage Science Dictionary -http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ruminant

: Any of various hoofed, even-toed, usually horned mammals of the suborder Ruminantia, such as cattle, sheep, goats, deer, and giraffes, characteristically having a stomach divided into four compartments and chewing a cud ruminant - Definitions from Dictionary.com

Definition of To chew the cud by The Free Online Dictionary: "is to chew the food over again, as a cow; to ruminate; hence, to meditate. to ruminate;.. "
Source: To chew the cud - definition of To chew the cud by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

Now for the second and last time, I am asking you if you -still out of arrogance- want to continue denying this fact, then show from a known scientific website that Hares Chew Cud.
 

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