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If Jesus was God ...

 
 
Campbell34
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jun, 2007 02:53 pm
@Greatest I am cv,
Greatest I am;24101 wrote:
Does the "Word" mean philosophy?


I think so. That is why God has no name.

Regards
DL


The Bible says the Word was made flesh, and His name is Jesus Christ.
SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jun, 2007 07:59 pm
@Campbell34,
Question:

Is God ...

(1)- One and three simultaneously?

OR

(2)- One and three at a time ?

OR

(3)- Three and one at the same time ?

And as usal no direct answer could any christian give. Therefore, I will answer the above question myself!

Now let me hypothetically assume that you answer this simple question according to the following three answers:

Answer #1:Answer # 2: Answer # 3: If God is three and one at the same time, who was the God in Heaven within three days between the claimed crucifixion and the claimed resurrection?


SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jun, 2007 08:02 pm
@Campbell34,
The Questions No Christian Wants to Answer..continue without any real challenge

Question:

Why do Christians say that God is three-in-one and one in three when Jesus says in Mark 12:29: "The Lord our God is one Lord" in as many places as yet in the Bible!?


SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jun, 2007 08:05 pm
@Campbell34,
The Questions No Christian Wants to Answer..continue without any real challenge

Question:

If belief in the Trinity was such a necessary condition for being a Christian, why didn’t Jesus teach and emphasize it to the Christians during his time? How were those followers of Jesus considered Christians without ever hearing the term Trinity?
Had the Trinity been the spinal cord of Christianity, Jesus would have emphasized it on many occasions and would have taught and explained it in detail to the people.

Remember that Jesus (PBUH) had spoken openly to the world and spoke nothing in secret as he said in the bible:

“Jesus answered him, "I have spoken openly to the world; I always taught in synagogues and in the temple, where all the Jews come together; and I spoke nothing in secret.”[John 18:20]


"Surely, disbelievers are those who said: "Allah is the third of the three (in a Trinity)." But there is no Iilah (god) (none who has the right to be worshipped) but One Ilah (God -Allah). And if they cease not from what they say, verily, a painful torment will befall on the disbelievers among them." (Quran 5:73)
chico
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jun, 2007 10:10 pm
@Campbell34,
Campbell34;24064 wrote:
The Word does the will of the Father. If the Word was not seperate, He would not have to do the will of the Father, because He would be the Father.
The Word is God, but He has a different funtion, than the Father. Just as the Holy Ghost has a different funtion.


Do you understand John 5.26?
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Greatest I am cv
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jun, 2007 09:03 am
@Campbell34,
Campbell34;24145 wrote:
The Bible says the Word was made flesh, and His name is Jesus Christ.


To do so God/Jesus would need to impregnate His own mother.
She in turn would deliver an offspring from Her own Son.
I cannot see God creating such a circumstance. Can you?

Jesus was the best and last prophet but wholly human. Son of Joseph.

Regards
DL
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Greatest I am cv
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jun, 2007 09:09 am
@SWORD of GOD,
SWORD of GOD;24179 wrote:
The Questions No Christian Wants to Answer..continue without any real challenge

Question:"Surely, disbelievers are those who said: "Allah is the third of the three (in a Trinity)." But there is no Iilah (god) (none who has the right to be worshipped) but One Ilah (God -Allah). And if they cease not from what they say, verily, a painful torment will befall on the disbelievers among them." (Quran 5:73)


I am Christian and have no belief in the trinity.

God is one. If we want to call His spirit the Holy Spirit then we can stretch Him to two.
Jesus was a man only. Prophet yes, God no.
If He were then the crucifiction is not a sacrifice.

Regards
DL
Campbell34
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jun, 2007 11:09 am
@Greatest I am cv,
Greatest I am;24234 wrote:
I am Christian and have no belief in the trinity.

God is one. If we want to call His spirit the Holy Spirit then we can stretch Him to two.
Jesus was a man only. Prophet yes, God no.
If He were then the crucifiction is not a sacrifice.

Regards
DL


If Jesus was only a man, why did the eleven disciples in Mark 28:16,17 worship Him. For worship is for God only.
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jun, 2007 01:48 pm
@SWORD of GOD,
Originally stated by Greatest I am
"I am Christian and have no belief in the trinity.God is one. If we want to call His spirit the Holy Spirit then we can stretch Him to two. Jesus was a man only. Prophet yes, God no. If He were then the crucifiction is not a sacrifice.
Regards
DL"

Why do you need to be so specific? I can relate strongly to your personal theology, but on the other hand, I feel no need to put parameters on God or His interventions. I'm sure there's mythology in the Bible (that's hard for me to admit, but yes, it's true), but still, I believe in it as a composite statement about the God who has dwelled within me always. No, I can't answer every question. I can't be specific, except to say I believe in Jesus of Nazareth. I believe he existed, and I also believe what He told us through the Apostles. I believe Him. That's all I need. Yes.....that's enough for me.
Greatest I am cv
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jun, 2007 03:20 pm
@Campbell34,
Campbell34;24251 wrote:
If Jesus was only a man, why did the eleven disciples in Mark 28:16,17 worship Him. For worship is for God only.


As a Rabi, they say Jesus chase false notions "Demons " from people. In other words, explain the philosophy of their god in a more palatable or sane way. If real miracles were involved then well and good but I tend not to believe in miracles. Communication with God excluded.

This should not be a hard feat if you consider the number of suicide cults that history has produced.

Regards
DL
Greatest I am cv
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jun, 2007 03:23 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;24260 wrote:
Originally stated by Greatest I am
"I am Christian and have no belief in the trinity. God is one. If we want to call His spirit the Holy Spirit then we can stretch Him to two. Jesus was a man only. Prophet yes, God no. If He were then the Crucifixion is not a sacrifice.
Regards
DL"

Why do you need to be so specific? I can relate strongly to your personal theology, but on the other hand, I feel no need to put parameters on God or His interventions. I'm sure there's mythology in the Bible (that's hard for me to admit, but yes, it's true), but still, I believe in it as a composite statement about the God who has dwelled within me always. No, I can't answer every question. I can't be specific, except to say I believe in Jesus of Nazareth. I believe he existed, and I also believe what He told us through the Apostles. I believe Him. That's all I need. Yes.....that's enough for me.


That is good.

You are there. Why are you here?

Regards
DL
Campbell34
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jun, 2007 05:56 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;24260 wrote:
Originally stated by Greatest I am
"I am Christian and have no belief in the trinity.God is one. If we want to call His spirit the Holy Spirit then we can stretch Him to two. Jesus was a man only. Prophet yes, God no. If He were then the crucifiction is not a sacrifice.
Regards
DL"

Why do you need to be so specific? I can relate strongly to your personal theology, but on the other hand, I feel no need to put parameters on God or His interventions. I'm sure there's mythology in the Bible (that's hard for me to admit, but yes, it's true), but still, I believe in it as a composite statement about the God who has dwelled within me always. No, I can't answer every question. I can't be specific, except to say I believe in Jesus of Nazareth. I believe he existed, and I also believe what He told us through the Apostles. I believe Him. That's all I need. Yes.....that's enough for me.


You are correct, the name of Christ is enought to save you, but you are wrong on who He really is. Still and all, if Jesus is your saviour,then that is enought for me. You will find out who He really is when you meet Him.
1 John 5:7 For there are THREE that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost; AND THESE THREE ARE ONE.
As stated, it takes three beings, to = One God.
SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jun, 2007 08:51 pm
@Campbell34,
Campbell34;24251 wrote:
If Jesus was only a man, why did the eleven disciples in Mark 28:16,17 worship Him. For worship is for God only.


There is nothing in the bible Mark 28:16, 17.

It is Matthew 28: 16, 17.
But those passages were not said by Jesus HIMSELF.

Remember that some translations of those passagees says "When they saw him, they bowed down to him". Some corrupted translations made it instead "Worshiped him" !!

Remember that it used to be an act of respect to bow down to persons and here is an example:

[Gn:42:6 ]-[ And Joseph was the governor over the land, and he it was that sold to all the people of the land: and Joseph's brethren came, and bowed down themselves before him with their faces to the earth. ]


And I will surprise you that those passages in Matthew were fabricated by trinitarians and added to the bible to justify the fabricated Trinity paganism. Here is the solid proof:

Absolute proof Matthew 28:19 has been corrupted by trinitarians
Trinitarians have sinned against Jesus Christ

For putting words in the Bible HE NEVER SAID

By Dr. G. Reckart, Apostolic Theological Bible College

Absolute proof Matthew 28:19 has been corrupted by trinitarians.

Click here >Mathew 28:19 Fraud Exposed
SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jun, 2007 09:19 pm
@Campbell34,
The Questions No Christian Wants to Answer..continue without any real challenge

QUESTION:
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SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jun, 2007 10:09 pm
@SWORD of GOD,
If Jesus was God ...

Then how come he did NOT know where they laid the man !?

[John:11:34] "And said, Where have ye laid him? They said unto him, Lord, come and see."
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Campbell34
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jun, 2007 06:10 am
@Greatest I am cv,
Greatest I am;24280 wrote:
As a Rabi, they say Jesus chase false notions "Demons " from people. In other words, explain the philosophy of their god in a more palatable or sane way. If real miracles were involved then well and good but I tend not to believe in miracles. Communication with God excluded.

This should not be a hard feat if you consider the number of suicide cults that history has produced.

Regards
DL


In the year 1973 I had an encounter with two demons, this lasted for six months. It was not until I met a group of Christians who understood what was happening was I able to rid myself of them. These Christians knew who they were, when the came to me, and even their names. I met with these Christians in Crete Il. Since that time, these demons have left me. I do believe in miracles an have seen from time to time the power of God. Where there was a lack of faith Jesus did not work many miracles in the Bible, yet the Bible states where there was faith, there you would find Jesus working miracles.
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Campbell34
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jun, 2007 06:16 am
@SWORD of GOD,
SWORD of GOD;24177 wrote:
Question:

Is God ...

(1)- One and three simultaneously?

OR

(2)- One and three at a time ?

OR

(3)- Three and one at the same time ?

And as usal no direct answer could any christian give. Therefore, I will answer the above question myself!

Now let me hypothetically assume that you answer this simple question according to the following three answers:

Answer #1:Answer # 2: Answer # 3: If God is three and one at the same time, who was the God in Heaven within three days between the claimed crucifixion and the claimed resurrection?




God can be in more than one place at one time, most other beliefs donot support such a God, because their God has limits. With the true God, all things are possible. With false Gods, this is not true.
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Campbell34
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jun, 2007 08:36 am
@SWORD of GOD,
SWORD of GOD;24372 wrote:
There is nothing in the bible Mark 28:16, 17.

It is Matthew 28: 16, 17.
But those passages were not said by Jesus HIMSELF.

Remember that some translations of those passagees says "When they saw him, they bowed down to him". Some corrupted translations made it instead "Worshiped him" !!

Remember that it used to be an act of respect to bow down to persons and here is an example:

[Gn:42:6 ]-[ And Joseph was the governor over the land, and he it was that sold to all the people of the land: and Joseph's brethren came, and bowed down themselves before him with their faces to the earth. ]


And I will surprise you that those passages in Matthew were fabricated by trinitarians and added to the bible to justify the fabricated Trinity paganism. Here is the solid proof:

Absolute proof Matthew 28:19 has been corrupted by trinitarians
Trinitarians have sinned against Jesus Christ

For putting words in the Bible HE NEVER SAID

By Dr. G. Reckart, Apostolic Theological Bible College

Absolute proof Matthew 28:19 has been corrupted by trinitarians.

Click here >Mathew 28:19 Fraud Exposed


If the Bible is a Fraud, how is it that it's prophecies are coming to pass? How come this Book can fortell the future before it happens? Knowing very well, that only God knows the future.
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Campbell34
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jun, 2007 08:46 am
@SWORD of GOD,
SWORD of GOD;24178 wrote:
The Questions No Christian Wants to Answer..continue without any real challenge

Question:

Why do Christians say that God is three-in-one and one in three when Jesus says in Mark 12:29: "The Lord our God is one Lord" in as many places as yet in the Bible!?




Have you ever heard of a triple expansion engine? It requires three cylinders to make one engine. It requires three beings to = One God. And when God speaks in the Old Testament, that is why He said, "let US make man in OUR image, and in OUR likeness." He was speaking to the other members of the Godhead. For only God alone was involved in creation.
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Greatest I am cv
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jun, 2007 01:17 pm
@Campbell34,
Campbell34;24325 wrote:
You are correct, the name of Christ is enought to save you, but you are wrong on who He really is. Still and all, if Jesus is your saviour,then that is enought for me. You will find out who He really is when you meet Him.
1 John 5:7 For there are THREE that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost; AND THESE THREE ARE ONE.
As stated, it takes three beings, to = One God.


The father has a place as God.
The word speaks to the philosophy of God.
The Holy Spirit in and of itself is nothing. The Holy Spirit is the telepathic emanations from God in communication with man.

There is only one consciousness to God and His word and His mental emanations.

Regards
DL
 

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