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If Jesus was God ...

 
 
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Tue 26 Jun, 2007 08:20 pm
@SWORD of GOD,
God simply would never back anyone who does the nasty things Muslims do on a regular basis. No way. Sorry. You lose.
chico
 
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Reply Tue 26 Jun, 2007 09:10 pm
@JesusDiedForU,
JesusDiedForU;23659 wrote:
My point is... Campbell was using a parable. He was using something simple to explain something detailed... so that it was easier to understand.


Simple........ The answer must also be based on the Bible. It is easier to understand if his explanation was in the Bible... Beside Campbell was not using parable....
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Campbell34
 
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Reply Tue 26 Jun, 2007 09:59 pm
@chico,
chico;23638 wrote:
Trinity is not in the Bible... If it is not in the Bible do not believe... Search the Bible... The Bible has an answer to every question... If your question is trinity and you can not find an answer in the Bible then you can conclude that trinity is not for real....


The word Trinity is not in the Bible, yet the concept is. And if God said He alone made all things, and Jesus is said to of made all things also, then someone is not telling the truth, or your doctrine does not square with Scripture. As a Christian, I have no problem with God making all things alone and by Himself, because I know that Jesus and the Father = One God.
Those who donot believe this will agree with that verse, while at the same time be saying. Well God did make all things alone and by Himself, but really, God did have Jesus helping Him. Another words, they agree that the verse is true, but by saying Jesus really did Help the Father make all things, they are saying the verse is not true. Chico, you have told me that verse is true, but then you say Jesus really helped the Father. If Jesus really helped the Father create all things after the Father said He made all things alone and by Himself, then that verse cannot be true. That verse can only be true, if Jesus and the Father = one God. Because only one God is stated to of made all things alone and by Himself.
Campbell34
 
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Reply Tue 26 Jun, 2007 10:07 pm
@chico,
chico;23635 wrote:
Very weird.... You compare God to egg....... Paul said to 1Thimoty 4.16 states 'TAKE HEED TO YOURSELF AND TO YOUR TEACHING, HOLD TO THAT, FOR BY SO DOING YOU WILL SAVE BOTH YOURSELF AND YOUR HEARERS...


I could of used something else, yet I used the egg as a concept. You could not understand the three in one God. Yet an egg is just that. White, yoke, shell, which can be seperated. And the seperation does not take away the fact that all equals one egg. It was a simple example. Yet, were you really looking for understanding of a concept?
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SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Tue 26 Jun, 2007 10:49 pm
@SWORD of GOD,
If Jesus was God ...

How can Jesus be God when he explicitly stated in the following passage that they are two different identities!!?

Jesus said: "Do not let your heart be troubled; believe in God, believe also in Me." [John 14:1]
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One Man Clan
 
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Reply Tue 26 Jun, 2007 11:06 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;12932 wrote:
If Mohammad were a man of God, why did he personally lead several Muslim massacres of Jews in Arabia? If he were a man of God, why did he authorize murdering people in the name of God?


Maybe true, but that's not the issue.

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Be advised: if you dispatch murderers to kill me, know that I have shown all this internet traffic to three friends who serve as Assistant District Attorneys. You will get caught.


:beat:
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chico
 
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Reply Tue 26 Jun, 2007 11:41 pm
@Campbell34,
Campbell34;23800 wrote:
The word Trinity is not in the Bible, yet the concept is. And if God said He alone made all things, and Jesus is said to of made all things also, then someone is not telling the truth, or your doctrine does not square with Scripture. As a Christian, I have no problem with God making all things alone and by Himself, because I know that Jesus and the Father = One God.
Those who donot believe this will agree with that verse, while at the same time be saying. Well God did make all things alone and by Himself, but really, God did have Jesus helping Him. Another words, they agree that the verse is true, but by saying Jesus really did Help the Father make all things, they are saying the verse is not true. Chico, you have told me that verse is true, but then you say Jesus really helped the Father. If Jesus really helped the Father create all things after the Father said He made all things alone and by Himself, then that verse cannot be true. That verse can only be true, if Jesus and the Father = one God. Because only one God is stated to of made all things alone and by Himself.


I said God made all things through His Word... Through Him (Word) all things were made. How can there be two or three entities in God? There is only one God. The Word is part of God. The Word is not another person. The Father is not another person either. God can not make all things without His Word and all things will not be done through the Word without the Father. They are One. God only permitted His Word to have life on His own as stated in John 5.26 'FOR AS THE FATHER HAS LIFE IN HIMSELF, SO HE HAS GRANTED THE SON ALSO TO HAVE LIFE IN HIMSELF...' You see... The Father has GRANTED His Word to have life in Himself. But before the Word was in God, Jesus said I and the Father is ONE. It will be clear to us when the time comes according to Paul in 11 Cor 15.24-28 states 'THEN COMETH THE END WHEN HE SHALL HAVE DELIVERED UP THE KINGDOM TO GOD, EVEN THE FATHER WHEN HE SHALL HAVE PUT DOWN ALL RULE AND ALL AUTHORITY AND POWER. FOR HE MUST REIGN TILL HE HATH PUT ALL ENEMIES UNDER HIS FEET. THE LAST ENEMY THAT SHALL BE DESTROYED IS DEATH. FOR HE HATH PUT ALL THINGS UNDER HIS FEET. BUT WHEN HE SAITH ALL THINGS ARE PUT UNDER HIM IT IS MANIFEST THAT HE IS EXCEPTED WHICH PUT ALL THINGS UNDER HIM. WHEN ALL THINGS SHALL BE SUBDUED ONTO HIM THEN SHALL THE SON ALSO HIMSELF BE SUBJECT UNTO HIM THAT PUT ALL THINGS UNDER HIM, THAT GOD MAY BE ALL IN ALL...'

When time comes, the Son will be subject unto the Father so that God may be all in all...

So how can there be 2 or 3 persons in one God????? Answer this with Bible quotations to validate your point... Do not quote hearsay......
Campbell34
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2007 12:03 am
@chico,
chico;23815 wrote:
I said God made all things through His Word... Through Him (Word) all things were made. How can there be two or three entities in God? There is only one God. The Word is part of God. The Word is not another person. The Father is not another person either. God can not make all things without His Word and all things will not be done through the Word without the Father. They are One. God only permitted His Word to have life on His own as stated in John 5.26 'FOR AS THE FATHER HAS LIFE IN HIMSELF, SO HE HAS GRANTED THE SON ALSO TO HAVE LIFE IN HIMSELF...' You see... The Father has GRANTED His Word to have life in Himself. But before the Word was in God, Jesus said I and the Father is ONE. It will be clear to us when the time comes according to Paul in 11 Cor 15.24-28 states 'THEN COMETH THE END WHEN HE SHALL HAVE DELIVERED UP THE KINGDOM TO GOD, EVEN THE FATHER WHEN HE SHALL HAVE PUT DOWN ALL RULE AND ALL AUTHORITY AND POWER. FOR HE MUST REIGN TILL HE HATH PUT ALL ENEMIES UNDER HIS FEET. THE LAST ENEMY THAT SHALL BE DESTROYED IS DEATH. FOR HE HATH PUT ALL THINGS UNDER HIS FEET. BUT WHEN HE SAITH ALL THINGS ARE PUT UNDER HIM IT IS MANIFEST THAT HE IS EXCEPTED WHICH PUT ALL THINGS UNDER HIM. WHEN ALL THINGS SHALL BE SUBDUED ONTO HIM THEN SHALL THE SON ALSO HIMSELF BE SUBJECT UNTO HIM THAT PUT ALL THINGS UNDER HIM, THAT GOD MAY BE ALL IN ALL...'

When time comes, the Son will be subject unto the Father so that God may be all in all...

So how can there be 2 or 3 persons in one God????? Answer this with Bible quotations to validate your point... Do not quote hearsay......


I believe that Jesus and the Father = one God, but I believe when they nailed Jesus to the cross it was Jesus and not the Father that was hanging there. For it was the Father who turned away not Jesus. To believe they are the same person is to ignore much of the Scriptures. If Jesus was actually the Father, He would of been praying to Himself and asking Himself to raise Himself from the dead. Jesus and the Father are two different persons who are in agreement and share in the Godhead.
One Man Clan
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2007 12:32 am
@SWORD of GOD,
Quote:
Be advised: if you dispatch murderers to kill me, know that I have shown all this internet traffic to three friends who serve as Assistant District Attorneys. You will get caught.


You know, when I drive by black people, or they walk by my vehicle and I'm stopped, I like to lock the doors and stare at them.
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chico
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2007 01:27 am
@Campbell34,
Campbell34;23816 wrote:
I believe that Jesus and the Father = one God, but I believe when they nailed Jesus to the cross it was Jesus and not the Father that was hanging there. For it was the Father who turned away not Jesus. To believe they are the same person is to ignore much of the Scriptures. If Jesus was actually the Father, He would of been praying to Himself and asking Himself to raise Himself from the dead. Jesus and the Father are two different persons who are in agreement and share in the Godhead.


I think you do not get my point.... I have quoted John 5.26 stating that the Father has GRANTED or give permission to the Son to have life in himself. So when Jesus was in the cross it was Jesus who was actually in the Cross... I have quoted 1Cor15.24-28 to validate also my point....Give quotations in the Bible to validate your point..
Campbell34
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2007 03:39 am
@chico,
chico;23821 wrote:
I think you do not get my point.... I have quoted John 5.26 stating that the Father has GRANTED or give permission to the Son to have life in himself. So when Jesus was in the cross it was Jesus who was actually in the Cross... I have quoted 1Cor15.24-28 to validate also my point....Give quotations in the Bible to validate your point..


The physical body of Jesus Christ was created, but the Word always existed with the Father, and was a seperate person from the Father, yet together they existed as one God. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The fact that the Bible says the Word was with God indicates the Word was seperate from the Father. Yet He was still part of the Godhead.
Greatest I am cv
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2007 07:41 am
@Pinochet73,
If the trinity impregnated Mary and She produced the trinity as offspring, does that mean that God is His own father. Does it also mean that we were without a God for nine months?

Jesus was a great prophet but wholly a man.

Regards
DL
JesusDiedForU
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2007 04:19 pm
@Campbell34,
Campbell34;23828 wrote:
The physical body of Jesus Christ was created, but the Word always existed with the Father, and was a seperate person from the Father, yet together they existed as one God. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The fact that the Bible says the Word was with God indicates the Word was seperate from the Father. Yet He was still part of the Godhead.


Good point.
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chico
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2007 10:51 pm
@Campbell34,
Campbell34;23828 wrote:
The physical body of Jesus Christ was created, but the Word always existed with the Father, and was a seperate person from the Father, yet together they existed as one God. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The fact that the Bible says the Word was with God indicates the Word was seperate from the Father. Yet He was still part of the Godhead.


Why do you say that the Word was a separate person? Does the Word speaks of Himself alone? Can the Word decide on Himself alone?
Greatest I am cv
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jun, 2007 07:26 am
@SWORD of GOD,
The writer of the Bible wrote the mane of God as the word first because he wanted the reader to know that it was the word, the philosophy of the book that was important, not a name for God.
God remains nameless because God is a philosophy first and foremost.

Regards
DL
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Campbell34
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jun, 2007 09:49 am
@Greatest I am cv,
Greatest I am;23840 wrote:
If the trinity impregnated Mary and She produced the trinity as offspring, does that mean that God is His own father. Does it also mean that we were without a God for nine months?

Jesus was a great prophet but wholly a man.

Regards
DL


It was the Holy Spirit that impregnated Mary with the spirit of Jesus. God alway existed, and the (Word) entered the body. The Word is just one of the three.
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Campbell34
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jun, 2007 09:54 am
@chico,
chico;24025 wrote:
Why do you say that the Word was a separate person? Does the Word speaks of Himself alone? Can the Word decide on Himself alone?



The Word does the will of the Father. If the Word was not seperate, He would not have to do the will of the Father, because He would be the Father.
The Word is God, but He has a different funtion, than the Father. Just as the Holy Ghost has a different funtion.
Greatest I am cv
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jun, 2007 12:14 pm
@Campbell34,
Campbell34;24064 wrote:
The Word does the will of the Father. If the Word was not seperate, He would not have to do the will of the Father, because He would be the Father.
The Word is God, but He has a different funtion, than the Father. Just as the Holy Ghost has a different funtion.


Does the "Word" mean philosophy?


I think so. That is why God has no name.

Regards
DL
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jun, 2007 12:27 pm
@SWORD of GOD,
Mohammad was an Arab. Arabs are bloodthirsty, as a primitive people. Therefore, when Mohammad invented a religion for Arabs, it embodied barbarism. We see it at work in Islam every day -- beheadings, hideous tortures, child-suicide-bombers armed by their parents. No....Mohammad was a barbarian warlord and inventor of a fake religion. Islam is drenched in blood.
Greatest I am cv
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jun, 2007 12:49 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;24106 wrote:
Mohammad was an Arab. Arabs are bloodthirsty, as a primitive people. Therefore, when Mohammad invented a religion for Arabs, it embodied barbarism. We see it at work in Islam every day -- beheadings, hideous tortures, child-suicide-bombers armed by their parents. No....Mohammad was a barbarian warlord and inventor of a fake religion. Islam is drenched in blood.


It is not good to focus on a single cause for the first time man killed man.
All men and all religions and all political systems are to blame for our collective stupidity. Let us now move past this fumble in our evolution and become more civilized.

Regards
DL
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