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SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jun, 2007 06:30 pm
@chico,
chico;23418 wrote:
1. Isa 40.22 'It is He who sits above the circle of the earth...'

In Science, the Earth's true shape is 'OBLATE SPHEROID'. Oblate refers to its slightly oblong appearance. Spheroid means tha it is almost sphere but not quite. The Earth's shape is only very slightly oblate according to science. The diameter from the North Pole to the South Pole is approx 12,714 km. The equatorial diameter is approx 12,756 km. This is not a big difference, but it does not make the Earth not quite a sphere. But how can God explain that to Isaiah 40.22, to His people? Who will understand?

2. That verses were used by Catholics not by the true church...

3. Psalm 93.1 'the Lord reigns; he is robed in majesty; the Lord is robed, he is girded with strength, yes, the world is established; it shall never be moved..'

This text does not mean that the earth is not rotating to its axis.

4. Isa 13.10 'for the stars of the heavens and their constellations will not give their lights; the sun will be dark at its rising and the moon will not shed its light...'

When the sun will be dark then the moon will not shed light either. Self explanatory because the moon get its light from the sun so when the sun is dark the moon will also be dark...

5. Missing dots in the Bible will not affect the faith of the believers.

6. Jos 10.12-14 ''then spoke Joshua to the Lord in the day when the Lord gave the Amorites over to the men of Israel; and he said in the sight of Israel, 'Sun stand thou still in Gibeon and thou moon in the valley of Aijalon', and the sun stood still and moon stayed, until the nation took vengeance on their enemies...'

Do you want me to explain this text to you ? It is very self explanatory.... Babies can understand this text....




2. Proofs that the bible says the Earth is FLAT:

Shake the Earth by Its Edges


"take the earth by the edges and shake the wicked out of it (Job 38:12-13)


How could the earth be held by its "edges"? A sphere has no edges. Would the Job author have spoken of "edges" of the earth if he had known the earth was a sphere? Which makes more sense? The author imagined grabbing and shaking by the edges a flat earth, or the author imagined grabbing the ball of the earth by "edges" which don't exist? Before you answer, consider what else the same author had to say about how the earth is formed:

Stamp Out the Earth Like Clay under A Seal

Clay when stamped with a seal is not rounded into a ball, but flattened, like the clay seal (ca. 3300-3000 BCE) below found in Israel in 1994.1 In the verse below, readers will see that the Job author believes that the earth was stamped out in the manner of clay flattened with a seal:

"The earth takes shape like clay under a seal." (Job 38:14)

This is the same author who spoke of grabbing the earth by its "edges." If the Job author had known the earth was round, would he have referred to edges which don't exist, and would he have compared it to clay seals, which are pressed flat?

Whole Earth Can Be Seen from A Tall Mountain

Other evidence that the Bible teaches that the earth is flat is found in the following passages. The first is in Matthew:

"[T]he devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them"
(Matthew 4:1-12)

Certainly, if the earth were flat, standing atop "an exceedingly high mountain" would allow Jesus to see the whole earth, but there is no mountain tall enough to allow him to see the other side of a spherical earth. At most, one hemisphere would be seen, but not the other.

Or a Tall-Enough Tree

The other passage is in Daniel:

The visions of my head as I lay in bed were these: I saw, and behold, a tree in the midst of the earth; and its height was great. The tree grew and became strong, and its top reached to heaven, and it was visible to the end of the whole earth. (Daniel 4:10-11)

The "whole" earth? No matter how tall the tree was, even if it was only a dream, it would not have been visible from the other side of the earth.
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SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jun, 2007 06:57 pm
@chico,
chico;23418 wrote:
1. Isa 40.22 'It is He who sits above the circle of the earth...'

In Science, the Earth's true shape is 'OBLATE SPHEROID'. Oblate refers to its slightly oblong appearance. Spheroid means tha it is almost sphere but not quite. The Earth's shape is only very slightly oblate according to science. The diameter from the North Pole to the South Pole is approx 12,714 km. The equatorial diameter is approx 12,756 km. This is not a big difference, but it does not make the Earth not quite a sphere. But how can God explain that to Isaiah 40.22, to His people? Who will understand?

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"It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in." [Isaiah 40:22].

This passage is clearly and explicitly states that the earth is circular.

Any student in the elementary school will tell you that according the basics of geometry, a CIRCLE IS NOT a SPHERE. No sensible educated person can calim that a CIRCLE may mean a SPHERE.

So, please no need to try to underestimate the intelligence of the readers.

BTW, I hold a graduate degree in engineering.
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SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jun, 2007 07:40 pm
@chico,
chico;23418 wrote:
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3. Psalm 93.1 'the Lord reigns; he is robed in majesty; the Lord is robed, he is girded with strength, yes, the world is established; it shall never be moved..'

This text does not mean that the earth is not rotating to its axis.
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Earth does not move (Ps 93:1, 96:10, 104:5, 1 Chr 16:30).

"The LORD reigns, He is clothed with majesty; The LORD has clothed and girded Himself with strength; Indeed, the world is firmly established, it will not be moved." [Ps 93:1].

"Say among the nations, "The LORD reigns; Indeed, the world is firmly established, it will not be moved; He will judge the peoples with equity." [Ps 96:10].

"Who laid the foundations of the earth, That it should not be moved for ever." [Ps 104:5].

"Tremble before him, all the earth: the world also is stablished that it cannot be moved." [1 Chr 16:30]

All the above passages state that the earth is fixed and it can not be moved. While we know that the earth rotates around its axis and also orbits around the sun. This is a clear contradiction with common sense and with scientific facts!

If you want to apologize for those contradictions, at least try to quote other passages where they explicitly state that the earth rotates. In both cases, this major contradiction between the bible and Scientific facts is an example of the fabrications found in the bible.
SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jun, 2007 08:03 pm
@chico,
chico;23418 wrote:
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5. Missing dots in the Bible will not affect the faith of the believers.
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True Scientific value of PI = 3.1415926
The Biblical value of PI = 3.0000000

If you underestimate the error in the biblical assumed value, then let me give you an example to demonstrate how huge that error is in the scientific point view:

The equatorial diameter of the Earth is 12,756 km = 12,756,000 m.

Accordingly, the circumferential distance of the earth = PI * diameter = 3.1415926 * 12,756,000 m = 40.07416 million meters.

But according to the biblical PI value, this distance will be = 3.0 * 12,756,000 m = 38.268 million meters.

The error (difference) = 1.80616 million meters !!!


Remember that who stated that PI = 3.0 in the bible is claimed to be God, The Creator!

How can the created man be more smarter, more accurate, and more knowledgable than The Creator himself !!!?

That can not be and must attribute this to further examples of fabrications found in the Bible.
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SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jun, 2007 08:23 pm
@chico,
chico;23418 wrote:
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4. Isa 13.10 'for the stars of the heavens and their constellations will not give their lights; the sun will be dark at its rising and the moon will not shed its light...'

When the sun will be dark then the moon will not shed light either. Self explanatory because the moon get its light from the sun so when the sun is dark the moon will also be dark...

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"For the stars of heaven and their constellations Will not flash forth their light; The sun will be dark when it rises And the moon will not shed its light." [Isa 13:10]

"But immediately after the tribulation of those days THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, AND THE STARS WILL FALL from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken." [Matthew 24:29].



THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT.

You only say "GIVE" when you own something not reflect it.

The other thing, remember that the SUN is already dark as stated in the passage, then He would not say THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT if He means the LIGHT of THE SUN -as you falsely claimed!


"ITS LIGHT" this clearly refers to the MOON.
SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jun, 2007 09:33 pm
@SWORD of GOD,
The Questions No Christian Wants to Answer...continue without real challenge

Question:

Is God three-in-one and one in three simultaneously or one at a time ?

(This must be simple)
Campbell34
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jun, 2007 10:03 pm
@SWORD of GOD,
SWORD of GOD;23614 wrote:
The Questions No Christian Wants to Answer...continue without real challenge

Question:

Is God three-in-one and one in three simultaneously or one at a time ?

(This must be simple)


Yes it is simple, God can be three in one while apart. For God is omnipresent. God has the ability to be in more than one place at one time.
chico
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jun, 2007 10:18 pm
@SWORD of GOD,
SWORD of GOD;23603 wrote:
Earth does not move (Ps 93:1, 96:10, 104:5, 1 Chr 16:30).

"The LORD reigns, He is clothed with majesty; The LORD has clothed and girded Himself with strength; Indeed, the world is firmly established, it will not be moved." [Ps 93:1].

"Say among the nations, "The LORD reigns; Indeed, the world is firmly established, it will not be moved; He will judge the peoples with equity." [Ps 96:10].

"Who laid the foundations of the earth, That it should not be moved for ever." [Ps 104:5].

"Tremble before him, all the earth: the world also is stablished that it cannot be moved." [1 Chr 16:30]

All the above passages state that the earth is fixed and it can not be moved. While we know that the earth rotates around its axis and also orbits around the sun. This is a clear contradiction with common sense and with scientific facts!

If you want to apologize for those contradictions, at least try to quote other passages where they explicitly state that the earth rotates. In both cases, this major contradiction between the bible and Scientific facts is an example of the fabrications found in the bible.


Apology??? You must be kidding....There are no contradictions in the Bible... 'Can not be moved' or 'Can not be shaken' in the other translation are the same and does not suggest that the earth is fixed to one place only... You do not believe in our Bible thus you can find many alleged discrepancies..
SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jun, 2007 10:31 pm
@chico,
chico;23618 wrote:
Apology??? You must be kidding....There are no contradictions in the Bible... 'Can not be moved' or 'Can not be shaken' in the other translation are the same and does not suggest that the earth is fixed to one place only... You do not believe in our Bible thus you can find many alleged discrepancies..


What I have already posted are just few examples of the huge number of biblical contradictions which I will post consecutively. So be prepared for that!
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SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jun, 2007 10:37 pm
@Campbell34,
Campbell34;23617 wrote:
Yes it is simple, God can be three in one while apart. For God is omnipresent. God has the ability to be in more than one place at one time.



Do you mean that God is three and one at the same time ?
chico
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jun, 2007 10:44 pm
@SWORD of GOD,
SWORD of GOD;23607 wrote:
"For the stars of heaven and their constellations Will not flash forth their light; The sun will be dark when it rises And the moon will not shed its light." [Isa 13:10]

"But immediately after the tribulation of those days THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, AND THE STARS WILL FALL from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken." [Matthew 24:29].



THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT.

You only say "GIVE" when you own something not reflect it.

The other thing, remember that the SUN is already dark as stated in the passage, then He would not say THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT if He means the LIGHT of THE SUN -as you falsely claimed!


"ITS LIGHT" this clearly refers to the MOON.


I will believe you if God mentioned first the moon that which will not give light then followed by the stars and the sun. The text clearly stated that stars and their contellation first, followed by sun and then the moon..... When the sun does not give light then the moon will not shed light either...I do not find any contradictions...
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Campbell34
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jun, 2007 11:54 pm
@SWORD of GOD,
SWORD of GOD;23627 wrote:
Do you mean that God is three and one at the same time ?


Yes. Lets take and egg. You have the shell, the white, and the yoke. If we should seperate the three which one is the egg. The answer would be they are all the egg, even though they are sepearted. All are different, yet all make up one egg.
chico
 
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Reply Tue 26 Jun, 2007 12:55 am
@Campbell34,
Campbell34;23631 wrote:
Yes. Lets take and egg. You have the shell, the white, and the yoke. If we should seperate the three which one is the egg. The answer would be they are all the egg, even though they are sepearted. All are different, yet all make up one egg.


Very weird.... You compare God to egg....... Paul said to 1Thimoty 4.16 states 'TAKE HEED TO YOURSELF AND TO YOUR TEACHING, HOLD TO THAT, FOR BY SO DOING YOU WILL SAVE BOTH YOURSELF AND YOUR HEARERS...
JesusDiedForU
 
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Reply Tue 26 Jun, 2007 03:12 am
@chico,
chico;23635 wrote:
Very weird.... You compare God to egg....... Paul said to 1Thimoty 4.16 states 'TAKE HEED TO YOURSELF AND TO YOUR TEACHING, HOLD TO THAT, FOR BY SO DOING YOU WILL SAVE BOTH YOURSELF AND YOUR HEARERS...


Have you not read any of Jesus parables?
chico
 
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Reply Tue 26 Jun, 2007 04:51 am
@JesusDiedForU,
JesusDiedForU;23636 wrote:
Have you not read any of Jesus parables?


Trinity is not in the Bible... If it is not in the Bible do not believe... Search the Bible... The Bible has an answer to every question... If your question is trinity and you can not find an answer in the Bible then you can conclude that trinity is not for real....
Greatest I am cv
 
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Reply Tue 26 Jun, 2007 08:52 am
@SWORD of GOD,
The Bible uses many grammatical terms in it's delivery, including rhetoric.

Try to notice it when it is used. IE, the four corners of the earth.
Many more are in the Bible. It is not to be read literally.

Regards
DL
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JesusDiedForU
 
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Reply Tue 26 Jun, 2007 08:55 am
@chico,
chico;23638 wrote:
Trinity is not in the Bible... If it is not in the Bible do not believe... Search the Bible... The Bible has an answer to every question... If your question is trinity and you can not find an answer in the Bible then you can conclude that trinity is not for real....


My point is... Campbell was using a parable. He was using something simple to explain something detailed... so that it was easier to understand.
Reagaknight
 
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Reply Tue 26 Jun, 2007 09:06 am
@chico,
chico;23638 wrote:
Trinity is not in the Bible... If it is not in the Bible do not believe... Search the Bible... The Bible has an answer to every question... If your question is trinity and you can not find an answer in the Bible then you can conclude that trinity is not for real....


Fill in the blank: The Bible was put together by _____________ which also decided the conept of the Trinity was necessary to resolve many issues.
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Greatest I am cv
 
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Reply Tue 26 Jun, 2007 09:13 am
@rhopper3,
In the beginning, God tells us Himself what is important. His first description of Himself is the word. Words equate to a philosophy. Look for the philosophy and you will find God. Look for God and you might miss His philosophy.

Regards
DL
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SWORD of GOD
 
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Reply Tue 26 Jun, 2007 07:25 pm
@Campbell34,
Campbell34;23631 wrote:
Yes. Lets take and egg. You have the shell, the white, and the yoke. If we should seperate the three which one is the egg. The answer would be they are all the egg, even though they are sepearted. All are different, yet all make up one egg.


So you confirmed that God is three and one at the same time. Okay.


If God is three and one at the same time -as you believe-, who was the God in Heaven within three days between the claimed crucifixion and the claimed resurrection?
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