If Jesus was God ...

@SWORD of GOD,

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Well it was Jesus in John 14:6 Who said, (I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father but by me.) You will note that Jesus did not say it was His preaching rather it was He Himself that led men to the Father. I cannot recall many prophets of the past telling the people that no one comes to the Father but by them.

He explains his meaning in the frase: "I am the way, the truth, and the life" so in refering to himself it is the same as refering to the way, the truth and the life all of which he taught and practiced. He the says: "no man cometh unto the Father but by me" what prophet didn't say that, all you have to do is apply the meaning he attached to himself( I am the way, the truth, and the life") to the next frase. It would be the same as saying: no man cometh unto the father but by the way, the truth, and the life. As all prophets preach.

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@markx15,

markx15;22993 wrote:

He explains his meaning in the frase: "I am the way, the truth, and the life" so in refering to himself it is the same as refering to the way, the truth and the life all of which he taught and practiced. He the says: "no man cometh unto the Father but by me" what prophet didn't say that, all you have to do is apply the meaning he attached to himself( I am the way, the truth, and the life") to the next frase. It would be the same as saying: no man cometh unto the father but by the way, the truth, and the life. As all prophets preach.

There is not one prophet in the Bible who said (I am the way.) Only Jesus Christ made a statement like that. The only way you can get Jesus to sound like another prophet, is to twist His words to agree with your doctrine.
Jesus did not say (no man cometh unto the Father but by the way.) He said, (no man cometh unto the Father but by ME.) And the only way you can reduce Jesus to only a prophet, is if you willing ignore or twist countless other verses that proclaim His Lordship.

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@SWORD of GOD,

Sorry for coming in late again: However, something puzzles me!
If Jesus was/is God, why? when on the cross did he say " Father why hast thou forsaken me".

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@couchp,

couchp;23157 wrote:

Sorry for coming in late again: However, something puzzles me!
If Jesus was/is God, why? when on the cross did he say " Father why hast thou forsaken me".

On the day that Jesus died on the cross, Jesus fulfilled many prophecies. In order for ALL the prophecies to be fulfilled. Jesus had to say those words.
If you look in the Old Testament Psalm 22:1, you will find those words. By Jesus saying them, it confirmed all the more that He was the One the prophecy spoke of.

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@SWORD of GOD,

I think you are too concerned with the actual words, rather than the meaning. Do you take the Bible literaly?

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@markx15,

markx15;23192 wrote:

I think you are too concerned with the actual words, rather than the meaning. Do you take the Bible literaly?

Most of the Bible can be taken literally and where it is not to be taken literally
the text often makes that plain. Yet I would say, that some of the Book cannot be understand by the natural man. And that is why the Bible will tell you that the natural man will not understand the things of the Spirit. I have discovered over the years that often especially on dealing with end time prophecies, some of those passages have to be revealed to one in order to understand them. I have found this to be true on the prophecies that speak of America. Words mean something, and God did not waste His time with empty words.

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@SWORD of GOD,

I just can't imagine someone as humble as Jesus was portrayed as saying something like that. It is such an exclusive statement.

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@markx15,

markx15;23242 wrote:

I just can't imagine someone as humble as Jesus was portrayed as saying something like that. It is such an exclusive statement.

Well most of the time Jesus is portrayed as humble, yet when He fulfilled the O.T. prophecy coming to His Fathers House, (the Temple) He used a whip and over turned tables to chase the money changers out. Jesus often told off the Temple priest, which made them hate Him all the more.

John 11:25 Jesus said to her " I am the Resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live.

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@Campbell34,

Campbell34;23186 wrote:

On the day that Jesus died on the cross, Jesus fulfilled many prophecies. In order for ALL the prophecies to be fulfilled. Jesus had to say those words.
If you look in the Old Testament Psalm 22:1, you will find those words. By Jesus saying them, it confirmed all the more that He was the One the prophecy spoke of.

Umm The old Testament is a jewish book, and they do not believe the new testament... (Jesus) Its amazing how YOUR (Christians) translation of SOMEONE elses book is correct as opposed to the Authors themselves being correct LOL

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@SWORD of GOD,

Question:

How can a claimed Divine book (bible) have all of the following assertions which are scientifically false !!?

1)- Earth is a circular disk (Isa 40:22).

2)- Earth is flat (these verses were used for centuries by the church to prove this: Ps 93:1, Jer 10:13, Dan 4:10-11, Zech 9:10, Matt 4:8, Rev 1:7).

3)- Earth does not move (Ps 93:1, 96:10, 104:5, 1 Chr 16:30).

4)- The moon has a light of its own (Isa 13:10, Matt 24:29).

5)- Value of pi = 3 (1 Kings 7:23, 2 Chron 4:2).

6)- Sun and moon "stand still" (Josh 10:12-14).

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@rugonnacry,

rugonnacry;23287 wrote:

Umm The old Testament is a jewish book, and they do not believe the new testament... (Jesus) Its amazing how YOUR (Christians) translation of SOMEONE elses book is correct as opposed to the Authors themselves being correct LOL

What's even more amazing is their own prophecy states that the Holy One to come would be rejected by His own people. Every prophecy that speaks of Him, even His betrayal by a friend for 30 pecies of silver is ignored by the Jewish people. Some of these prophecies are very detailed, and they just ignore them all. And that is why the Old Testament tells us that when God returns them to their land, He is not doing it for the Jews sake, because God tells us they polluted His name where ever they wandered. All throught the Old Testament God condems the Jews for never being a faithful people. Do you really believe that got it right now? Even the prophecies of the last Jews allowed to return to their land, God tells us even at this late date that His people still polluted His name where ever they wandered. The Jews fulfilled their own Books prophecy, when they as a people rejected Jesus Christ.

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@SWORD of GOD,

The Questions No Christian Wants to Answer...Continue without any real challenge

Question on Christian Metaphysics:

Why did God sacrifice Himself to Himself in order to correct a situation he started Himself !?

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@SWORD of GOD,

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Why did God sacrifice Himself to Himself in order to correct a situation he started Himself !?

Clarify.

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@Reagaknight,

Reagaknight;23319 wrote:

Clarify.

God put in place the earth and started the human race, man used his own free will to turn from God, that was not Gods desire nor was it God's will. Man alone did that. God offered His Son as a sacrifice for the sins of the World. All who receive His sacrifice will be saved from death. The death of Christ on the cross was God's gift to mankind.

For God so loved the world that He gave us His only Son, that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.

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@Campbell34,

If Jesus was God ...

Then why he said in the bible that he’s a PROPHET:

Jesus said: "Nevertheless I must journey on today and tomorrow and the next day; for it cannot be that a prophet would perish outside of Jerusalem.” [Luke 13:33].

And they took offense at Him. But Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and in his own household." [Matthew 13:57].

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@Campbell34,

The Questions No Christian Wants to Answer...Continue without any real challenge

Question:

How can christian apologists find excuse for the following biblical contradiction !!!?

Jesus says to love your enemies, bless them that hate you (Matt 5:44),
then he curses his enemies (Matt 12:34, 23:15, 17,19, 27, 33, Luke 11:40, John 10:8).

comment: No Muslim could ever believe that Prophet Jesus(PBUH) may made such contradiction in this way, and as such must attribute this to further examples of fabrications found in the Bible.

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@Campbell34,

Campbell34;22959 wrote:

Well you could not of known if He translated it wrong because you did not see the text he originally spoke from. And could it be you want to believe that because his quote does not agree with your doctrine. And He was not the only early church leader who has quoted that verse. So if he translated it wrong then there are a number of others who would be doing it as well, which seems unlikely.

There are many translations of the Bible today. You can check and compare those translations. If many or most translations are the same with Cyprian then I am wrong.... It is only the way to validate my point...

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@SWORD of GOD,

SWORD of GOD;23392 wrote:

The Questions No Christian Wants to Answer...Continue without any real challenge

Question:

How can christian apologists find excuse for the following biblical contradiction !!!?

Jesus says to love your enemies, bless them that hate you (Matt 5:44),
then he curses his enemies (Matt 12:34, 23:15, 17,19, 27, 33, Luke 11:40, John 10:8).

comment: No Muslim could ever believe that Prophet Jesus(PBUH) may made such contradiction in this way, and as such must attribute this to further examples of fabrications found in the Bible.

Well the big problem here is you know very little about the Bible, and even less about Jesus Christ. You donot even know why Jesus made the statements He did yet you come here thinking they are contradictions.
Yes Jesus did say bless them that hate you. NOW DO YOU KNOW WHO HE SAID THAT TO? DO YOU KNOW WHY HE SAID THAT?

When jesus said bless them that hate you, He said that when He was preaching the Sermon on the Mount. This Sermon was directed at the Jews, and what Jesus was trying to tell the Jews was the Law they follow would not be enought to get them into Heaven. And Jesus told them if you think the law could save you it would require much more effort than they could live up to. Jesus was telling them if you want the law save you, you will have to love your enemies, even when they hate you, and if your eye offends you because of lust you must pluck it out of your head so you will not sin, ect, ect. At the end of the Sermon the Jews knew no one could be that good. And that was the point Jesus was trying to make. IN SHORT. You cannot get to heaven by doing good works. Salvation will require something other than good works. And that goes not only for the Jews, it goes for everyone that was ever born. And that is why the Bible tells you your best works before the Throne of God are nothing but filthy rags. And if anyone believes that in the end of time we will stand before God with our filthy rags and proclaim to God we are ready to enter His kingdom, your going to be in for a big surprise. No one enters heaven with filthy rags.

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@SWORD of GOD,

SWORD of GOD;23291 wrote:

Question:

How can a claimed Divine book (bible) have all of the following assertions which are scientifically false !!?

1)- Earth is a circular disk (Isa 40:22).

2)- Earth is flat (these verses were used for centuries by the church to prove this: Ps 93:1, Jer 10:13, Dan 4:10-11, Zech 9:10, Matt 4:8, Rev 1:7).

3)- Earth does not move (Ps 93:1, 96:10, 104:5, 1 Chr 16:30).

4)- The moon has a light of its own (Isa 13:10, Matt 24:29).

5)- Value of pi = 3 (1 Kings 7:23, 2 Chron 4:2).

6)- Sun and moon "stand still" (Josh 10:12-14).

1. Isa 40.22 'It is He who sits above the circle of the earth...'

In Science, the Earth's true shape is 'OBLATE SPHEROID'. Oblate refers to its slightly oblong appearance. Spheroid means tha it is almost sphere but not quite. The Earth's shape is only very slightly oblate according to science. The diameter from the North Pole to the South Pole is approx 12,714 km. The equatorial diameter is approx 12,756 km. This is not a big difference, but it does not make the Earth not quite a sphere. But how can God explain that to Isaiah 40.22, to His people? Who will understand?

2. That verses were used by Catholics not by the true church...

3. Psalm 93.1 'the Lord reigns; he is robed in majesty; the Lord is robed, he is girded with strength, yes, the world is established; it shall never be moved..'

This text does not mean that the earth is not rotating to its axis.

4. Isa 13.10 'for the stars of the heavens and their constellations will not give their lights; the sun will be dark at its rising and the moon will not shed its light...'

When the sun will be dark then the moon will not shed light either. Self explanatory because the moon get its light from the sun so when the sun is dark the moon will also be dark...

5. Missing dots in the Bible will not affect the faith of the believers.

6. Jos 10.12-14 ''then spoke Joshua to the Lord in the day when the Lord gave the Amorites over to the men of Israel; and he said in the sight of Israel, 'Sun stand thou still in Gibeon and thou moon in the valley of Aijalon', and the sun stood still and moon stayed, until the nation took vengeance on their enemies...'

Do you want me to explain this text to you ? It is very self explanatory.... Babies can understand this text....

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@SWORD of GOD,

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