If Jesus was God ...

@SWORD of GOD,

SWORD of GOD;22431 wrote:

If Jesus was God ...

Then why he did not deny or oppose the samarian woman when she described him as a "Prophet":

The woman said to Him, "Sir, I perceive that You are a prophet..." [John 4:19].

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He is a Prophet, Apostle, High Priest. Son of God, Word of God and many more....

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@Campbell34,

Campbell34;22449 wrote:

God is the Word. And God made all things alone and by Himself. If you donot believe that Jesus Christ is God, then you cannot believe that God made all things ALONE and BY HIMSELF. Because if Jesus is somehow different from God, then God would of had help from Jesus during creation. Which would mean God did not create all things BY HIMSELF. So, is Jesus Christ God?

Out of context. You do not answer my questions.....

Phil 2.6 Jesus is in the form of God.....

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@SWORD of GOD,

SWORD of GOD;22404 wrote:

If Jesus was God ...

Then why had Jesus prayed and cried to God to save him from death !!?

During his life on earth, Jesus prayed to God, who could save him from death. He prayed and pleaded with loud crying and tears, and he was heard because of his devotion to God.[Hebrews 5:7].

Also, this statement clearly indicates that God heard the pray and cry of Jesus and saved him from death! This means that Jesus never died yet and never been killed.

In the Old Testament God told us He would send His Redeamer to the world and He would die for the sins of the world. Jesus Christ fullfilled the three hundred prophecies of the Old Testament, and His death on the cross was the reason God sent Him to this world. It is doubtful God would ignore the prophecies of the Old Testament and change His mind at the last minute. God simply does not work that way. Gods prophecy are true and God is not a liar. God also stated that near the end of time He would allow the Jews to return to the land of Israel, and they would retake Jerusalem. God tells us He is doing this not for the sake of the Jews, for God states, the Jews polluted His name where ever they wandered. No, God tells us He is doing this for His Holy Name Sake. Neither the Jews or the Islamics understand God's Master plan. God is going to use both of these groups to reveal to the World who He is. The war to come, will bring the earth to the end of time.

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@chico,

chico;22450 wrote:

He is a Prophet, Apostle, High Priest. Son of God, Word of God and many more....

Jesus Christ is all that and more, that is correct. Yet most of all, Jesus Christ (IS GOD HIMSELF) Jesus can be seperate from the Father and still remain God. Because the ONE and only true God exist as three persons. Just as the Atom exist as three elements. Proton, nutron, electron, yet all elements = One Atom.

And if you donot believe that, then you cannot believe that God made all things ALONE and BY HIMSELF, because you are telling me that God did not make all things ALONE and BY HIMSELF, because He had to have help from His Prophet, or His Apostle, or His High Priest, or His Son.

Do you believe that Jesus Christ is GOD?

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@Campbell34,

Campbell34;22455 wrote:

Jesus Christ is all that and more, that is correct. Yet most of all, Jesus Christ (IS GOD HIMSELF) Jesus can be seperate from the Father and still remain God. Because the ONE and only true God exist as three persons. Just as the Atom exist as three elements. Proton, nutron, electron, yet all elements = One Atom.

And if you donot believe that, then you cannot believe that God made all things ALONE and BY HIMSELF, because you are telling me that God did not make all things ALONE and BY HIMSELF, because He had to have help from His Prophet, or His Apostle, or His High Priest, or His Son.

Do you believe that Jesus Christ is GOD?

Your quotations have no basis in the Bible.... Pls give quotations from the Bible when you say something to validate your point...

Where can you find in the Bible that Jesus Christ 'IS GOD HIMSELF'?
Where can you find in the Bible that God exist as three persons?

Do you believe that Jesus Christ is GOD?[/QUOTE] This is not in the Bible either....

Pls refer to the Bible not saying hearsay.......

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@Campbell34,

Campbell34;22449 wrote:

God is the Word. And God made all things alone and by Himself. If you donot believe that Jesus Christ is God, then you cannot believe that God made all things ALONE and BY HIMSELF. Because if Jesus is somehow different from God, then God would of had help from Jesus during creation. Which would mean God did not create all things BY HIMSELF. So, is Jesus Christ God?

Our gauge is the Bible... If what they preach is not written in the Bible, do not believe. Let us be like the people of Beroea in Acts 17.11 states '..NOW THESE JEWS WERE MORE NOBLE THAN THOSE IN THESALONICA, FOR THEY RECEIVED THE WORD WITH ALL EAGERNESS, EXAMINING THE SCRIPTURES DAILY TO SEE TO IT IF THESE THINGS WERE SO.....'

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@SWORD of GOD,

SWORD of GOD;22437 wrote:

If Jesus was God...

Then why Jesus said (speaking to God):

[ Jn:17:3 ]- [ And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the ONLY true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. ]

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You are not understanding how the trinity works... here is what Bible speaks about the Trinity

[SIZE="4"]For there are three who bear record in heaven: the Father, the Word (Jesus), and the Holy Spirit: and these three are ONE. And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood (Jesus); and these three agree as ONE. (1 John 5:6-8)[/SIZE]

You see there are three seperate but equal units to the trinity that form ONE God.

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@chico,

chico;22456 wrote:

Your quotations have no basis in the Bible.... Pls give quotations from the Bible when you say something to validate your point...

Where can you find in the Bible that Jesus Christ 'IS GOD HIMSELF'?
Where can you find in the Bible that God exist as three persons?

Do you believe that Jesus Christ is GOD?

This is not in the Bible either....

Pls refer to the Bible not saying hearsay.......[/QUOTE]

It's all over the Bible... and you can discover it by a simple yahoo search: "Is Jesus God"

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@Campbell34,

Bestiality I define as one species engaging in sexual maters and or breeding with a different species.

God is species 1.
Humans are species 2.
Angels are species 3.
Dogs are species 4.

1+2= Abomination.
2+3= Giant Abominations.
2+4=Abomination.

Would God practice bestiality wit a lower species. Would that be OK.
Would man practice bestiality with a lower species. Would that be OK, after all God did it.
God apparently did not like the Angels fornicating with man.
Why then did He lower Himself and rape Mary?
If Jesus is God does that mean that He impregnated His own mother?

Regards
DL

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@JesusDiedForU,

JesusDiedForU;22496 wrote:

This is not in the Bible either....

Pls refer to the Bible not saying hearsay.......

It's all over the Bible... and you can discover it by a simple yahoo search: "Is Jesus God"

Not even once did Jesus himself said that. Prove me wrong and quote only one statement from your bible where Jesus himself said I AM GOD or I AM GOD the SON.

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@Campbell34,

"And (remember) when Allah will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O 'Isa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Did you say unto men:'Worship me and my mother as two gods besides Allah?' " He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden (and unseen).
"Never did I say to them aught except what You (Allah) did command me to say:'Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.' And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things.(This is a great admonition and warning to the Christians of the whole world)."
[Quran 5: 116-117].

[Mark 12:29]: Jesus answered, "The foremost is,'HEAR, O ISRAEL! THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD".

Jesus said: "Not everyone who says to Me,'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. Many will say to Me on that day,'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' "And then I will declare to them,'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'[Matt. 7:21-23].

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@SWORD of GOD,

Question:

Why Christians keep insisting to deceive the people of the world by telling them that Jesus came for you, while Jesus himself emphasized in the bible that he had been sent ONLY to the JEWS (the lost sheep of the house of Israel) !!!?

But He (Jesus) answered and said, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." [Matthew 15:24].

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@JesusDiedForU,

JesusDiedForU;22495 wrote:

You are not understanding how the trinity works... here is what Bible speaks about the Trinity

[SIZE="4"]For there are three who bear record in heaven: the Father, the Word (Jesus), and the Holy Spirit: and these three are ONE. And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood (Jesus); and these three agree as ONE. (1 John 5:6-8)[/SIZE]

You see there are three seperate but equal units to the trinity that form ONE God.

This is not the correct translation of the Bilbe... You can not find 'FOR THERE ARE THREE BEAR RECORD IN HEAVEN, THE FATHER, THE WORD AND THE HOLY SPIRIT AND THESE THREE ARE ONE'.. in the original Greek text... That translation was misleading..... This is the correct translation John5.6-8 states 'THIS IS HE WHO CAME BY WATER AND BLOOD, JESUS CHRIST, NOT WITH THE WATER ONLY BUT WITH THE WATER AND THE BLOOD. AND THE SPIRIT IS THE WITNESS, BECAUSE THE SPIRIT IS THE TRUTH. THERE ARE THREE WITNESSES, THE SPIRIT, THE WATER AND THE BLOOD AND THESE THREE AGREE....' Be careful... Buy all the different translations of the Bible and compare them with each other, this will help you determine which are true and correct. Do not focus on one translation only...

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@SWORD of GOD,

SWORD of GOD;22707 wrote:

Question:

Why Christians keep insisting to deceive the people of the world by telling them that Jesus came for you, while Jesus himself emphasized in the bible that he had been sent ONLY to the JEWS (the lost sheep of the house of Israel) !!!?

But He (Jesus) answered and said, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." [Matthew 15:24].

Yes, Jesus was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel... In His ministry he concentrated preaching to the Jews only. But this does not mean that salvation is for Jews alone. In John 3.16 Jeses said 'FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, THAT WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM SHOULD NOT PERISH BUT HAVE ETERNAL LIFE...' Does 'WORLD' pertain to Jews alone??? I do not think so... Likewise in John 4.22 Jesus spoke with the Samarithan woman which I believe was no longer a member of Jewish community. 4.22 states '..YOU WORSHIP WHAT YOU DO NOT KNOW; WE WORSHIP WHAT WE KNOW, FOR SALVATION IS FROM THE JEWS...' In this statement of Jesus, salvation will come from the Jews and not limited only to the Jews. If Jesus said that salvation is for the Jews only then I have no business embracing Christianity....

In fact Jesus said to His Apostles in Matthew 28.29 states 'GO THEREFORE AND MAKE DISCIPLES OF ALL NATIONS....' See...

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@SWORD of GOD,

Many prophets have come, many preaching the same things as Jesus, it's the teachings that matter, not the teacher.

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@JesusDiedForU,

JesusDiedForU;22496 wrote:

This is not in the Bible either....

Pls refer to the Bible not saying hearsay.......

It's all over the Bible... and you can discover it by a simple yahoo search: "Is Jesus God"[/QUOTE]

Show me the Bible quotations.... If you can not produce then stop believing what you received.. Simple as that....

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@markx15,

markx15;22750 wrote:

Many prophets have come, many preaching the same things as Jesus, it's the teachings that matter, not the teacher.

Well it was Jesus in John 14:6 Who said, (I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father but by me.) You will note that Jesus did not say it was His preaching rather it was He Himself that led men to the Father. I cannot recall many prophets of the past telling the people that no one comes to the Father but by them.

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@chico,

chico;22739 wrote:

This is not the correct translation of the Bilbe... You can not find 'FOR THERE ARE THREE BEAR RECORD IN HEAVEN, THE FATHER, THE WORD AND THE HOLY SPIRIT AND THESE THREE ARE ONE'.. in the original Greek text... That translation was misleading..... This is the correct translation John5.6-8 states 'THIS IS HE WHO CAME BY WATER AND BLOOD, JESUS CHRIST, NOT WITH THE WATER ONLY BUT WITH THE WATER AND THE BLOOD. AND THE SPIRIT IS THE WITNESS, BECAUSE THE SPIRIT IS THE TRUTH. THERE ARE THREE WITNESSES, THE SPIRIT, THE WATER AND THE BLOOD AND THESE THREE AGREE....' Be careful... Buy all the different translations of the Bible and compare them with each other, this will help you determine which are true and correct. Do not focus on one translation only...

Well you are right about not being able to find that verse in the original Greek text, because we only have fragments of the original Greek texts with many verses missing. Yet we do know that the verse was spoken of by Cyprian as early as 258 A.D. so it would of had to exist if he was quoteing it.

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@Campbell34,

Campbell34;22797 wrote:

Well you are right about not being able to find that verse in the original Greek text, because we only have fragments of the original Greek texts with many verses missing. Yet we do know that the verse was spoken of by Cyprian as early as 258 A.D. so it would of had to exist if he was quoteing it.

He translated it wrong... Simple as that....

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@chico,

chico;22799 wrote:

He translated it wrong... Simple as that....

Well you could not of known if He translated it wrong because you did not see the text he originally spoke from. And could it be you want to believe that because his quote does not agree with your doctrine. And He was not the only early church leader who has quoted that verse. So if he translated it wrong then there are a number of others who would be doing it as well, which seems unlikely.

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