0
   

If Jesus was God ...

 
 
Campbell34
 
  1  
Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 12:30 am
@Greatest I am cv,
Greatest I am;22024 wrote:
God as the creator of all things, created and uses evil as He deems fit.
This is well documented in gospel.
Punch in evil in the KJ and prove it to yourself.
God is the only one with the power to create anything.

Regards
DL


God has given humans the ability to use their free will to create many things. Some of us may build homes to improve the lives of others, and some may build bombs to force their will on others. God has given us the free will to create what ever we want. When the Bible states that God created evil, it is another way of saying God can make trouble for evil doers. Evil came about for human kind when man disobeyed God in the garden. And that was an act that came from the will of humans, and not from the will of God.
0 Replies
 
chico
 
  1  
Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 12:41 am
@Campbell34,
Campbell34;22238 wrote:
I can see you seem to be having a problem answering the question. So let me ask it once again, a simple yes or no would be fine. I agree that the Father is different than the Word(Jesus). Yet it requires the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit together to equal ONE GOD. AND if you can agree with that statement you will not have any problem answering the question below.

Do you agree with Isaiah 44:24 which states, that God made all things ALONE
and BY HIMSELF?


Can you tell me where can we find 'THE FATHER, THE WORD AND THE HOLY SPIRIT TOGETHER TO EQUAL ONE GOD' in the Bible??????? I believe this is not in the Bible....

Yes... God made all things...
Campbell34
 
  1  
Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 02:05 am
@chico,
chico;22240 wrote:
Can you tell me where can we find 'THE FATHER, THE WORD AND THE HOLY SPIRIT TOGETHER TO EQUAL ONE GOD' in the Bible??????? I believe this is not in the Bible....

Yes... God made all things...



You still did not answer the full question. Did God make all things (ALONE) and (BY HIMSELF?) Another words, if Jesus is not God, then Jesus was not involved with the creation, because the God of the Old Testament states that He made all things (ALONE and BY HIMSELF.) Do you believe that?
chico
 
  1  
Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 02:33 am
@Campbell34,
Campbell34;22243 wrote:
You still did not answer the full question. Did God make all things (ALONE) and (BY HIMSELF?) Another words, if Jesus is not God, then Jesus was not involved with the creation, because the God of the Old Testament states that He made all things (ALONE and BY HIMSELF.) Do you believe that?


I said God... If I said God, it is singular. I did not said Gods (plural). What question I did not answer?????
Campbell34
 
  1  
Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 03:05 am
@chico,
chico;22244 wrote:
I said God... If I said God, it is singular. I did not said Gods (plural). What question I did not answer?????


The question was did God create all things, (ALONE AND BY HIMSELF?)
You answered that God created all things, but you did not say if He did this (ALONE and BY HIMSELF.) Because if you believe that the God of the Old Testament did everything (ALONE and BY HIMSELF), then you would be telling me that Jesus Christ had no involvement with Creation, because God ALONE AND BY HIMSELF CREATED ALL THINGS. Is that what you are telling me?
chico
 
  1  
Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 03:38 am
@Campbell34,
Campbell34;22245 wrote:
The question was did God create all things, (ALONE AND BY HIMSELF?)
You answered that God created all things, but you did not say if He did this (ALONE and BY HIMSELF.) Because if you believe that the God of the Old Testament did everything (ALONE and BY HIMSELF), then you would be telling me that Jesus Christ had no involvement with Creation, because God ALONE AND BY HIMSELF CREATED ALL THINGS. Is that what you are telling me?


Ok. For your satisfaction....God made all things alone and by Himself.... God through or by His Word He made all things... The Word of God which is Jesus Christ has involvement with creation.... In fact in Isaiah 55.11 states '...SO SHALL MY WORD BE THAT GOES FORTH FROM MY MOUTH, IT SHALL NOT RETURN TO ME EMPTY, BUT IT SHALL ACCOMPLSIH THAT WHICH I PURPOSE AND PROSPER IN THE THING FOR WHICH I SENT IT'.... See.......
SWORD of GOD
 
  1  
Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 05:53 pm
@Campbell34,
If Jesus was God ...

Then why Jesus had No Divine Will according to the New Testament!? How could he be the Creator without Divine Will!!?


[Matthew 26:39]: And He (Jesus) went a little beyond them, and fell on His face and prayed, saying, "My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; yet not as I will, but as You will."
SWORD of GOD
 
  1  
Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 05:57 pm
@Campbell34,
If Jesus was God ...

Then why had Jesus prayed and cried to God to save him from death !!?


During his life on earth, Jesus prayed to God, who could save him from death. He prayed and pleaded with loud crying and tears, and he was heard because of his devotion to God.[Hebrews 5:7].

Also, this statement clearly indicates that God heard the pray and cry of Jesus and saved him from death! This means that Jesus never died yet and never been killed.
SWORD of GOD
 
  1  
Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 06:01 pm
@Campbell34,
If Jesus was God...

Then how can this be consistent with the following crystal clear statement in the bible:


"He (God) is the only one who cannot die. He lives in light that no one can come near. No one has seen him, nor can they see him. Honor and power belong to him forever! Amen." [1 Timothy 6:16].

!!!!
0 Replies
 
SWORD of GOD
 
  1  
Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 06:04 pm
@Campbell34,
If Jesus was God ...

Then why the bible states that Jesus is a man:


"For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus," [1 Timothy 2:5]

In this statement, the bible clearly states that there is only ONE GOD and that Jesus Christ is just a MAN.

!!!
0 Replies
 
Campbell34
 
  1  
Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 06:27 pm
@chico,
chico;22247 wrote:
Ok. For your satisfaction....God made all things alone and by Himself.... God through or by His Word He made all things... The Word of God which is Jesus Christ has involvement with creation.... In fact in Isaiah 55.11 states '...SO SHALL MY WORD BE THAT GOES FORTH FROM MY MOUTH, IT SHALL NOT RETURN TO ME EMPTY, BUT IT SHALL ACCOMPLSIH THAT WHICH I PURPOSE AND PROSPER IN THE THING FOR WHICH I SENT IT'.... See.......



So what you are telling me is that God made all things ALONE and BY HIMSELF.
And yet at the same time you are telling me He really did not make all things ALONE and BY HIMSELF, because Jesus was helping Him during creation.

You can't have it both ways. Either God did it all BY HIMSELF, or He did not.
The text clearly states that God ALONE created all things BY HIMSELF, and it does not mention Jesus in that verse. Your trying to tell me God did it alone and then your trying to tell me He had help. Which is it? Did God really make all things BY HIMSELF, or did He have Jesus Helping Him? Because if Jesus was helping Him then the God of the OLD Testament would not be telling the truth. So did God really create all things BY HIMSELF or did HE have Jesus helping Him?
chico
 
  1  
Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 06:50 pm
@SWORD of GOD,
SWORD of GOD;22402 wrote:
If Jesus was God ...

Then why Jesus had No Divine Will according to the New Testament!? How could he be the Creator without Divine Will!!?


[Matthew 26:39]: And He (Jesus) went a little beyond them, and fell on His face and prayed, saying, "My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; yet not as I will, but as You will."


The Creator is God. Through His Word God made all things... For Jesus has admitted it (not as I will but as You will) and said in John 12.48 states 'FOR I HAVE NOT SPOKEN ON MY OWN AUTHORITY, THE FATHER WHO SENT ME HAS HIMSELF GIVEN ME COMMANDMENT WHAT TO SAY AND WHAT TO SPEAK, AND I KNOW THAT HIS COMMANDMENT IS ETERNAL LIFE, WHAT I SAY THEREFORE, I SAY AS THE FATHER HAS BIDDEN ME'...

Jesus humbled himself and became obedient Phil 2.8 states 'AND BEING FOUND IN HUMAN FORM HE HUMBLED HIMSELF AND BECAME OBEDIENT UNTO DEATH, EVEN DEATH ON A CROSS....
chico
 
  1  
Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 07:06 pm
@Campbell34,
Campbell34;22416 wrote:
So what you are telling me is that God made all things ALONE and BY HIMSELF.
And yet at the same time you are telling me He really did not make all things ALONE and BY HIMSELF, because Jesus was helping Him during creation.

You can't have it both ways. Either God did it all BY HIMSELF, or He did not.
The text clearly states that God ALONE created all things BY HIMSELF, and it does not mention Jesus in that verse. Your trying to tell me God did it alone and then your trying to tell me He had help. Which is it? Did God really make all things BY HIMSELF, or did He have Jesus Helping Him? Because if Jesus was helping Him then the God of the OLD Testament would not be telling the truth. So did God really create all things BY HIMSELF or did HE have Jesus helping Him?


Can God create all things without His Word? Can you separate the Father and the Word? The Father and I is One as per Jesus. How can there be two working in creation....? Answer these questions...
SWORD of GOD
 
  1  
Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 07:06 pm
@chico,
chico;22423 wrote:
The Creator is God. Through His Word God made all things... For Jesus has admitted it (not as I will but as You will) and said in John 12.48 states 'FOR I HAVE NOT SPOKEN ON MY OWN AUTHORITY, THE FATHER WHO SENT ME HAS HIMSELF GIVEN ME COMMANDMENT WHAT TO SAY AND WHAT TO SPEAK, AND I KNOW THAT HIS COMMANDMENT IS ETERNAL LIFE, WHAT I SAY THEREFORE, I SAY AS THE FATHER HAS BIDDEN ME'...

Jesus humbled himself and became obedient Phil 2.8 states 'AND BEING FOUND IN HUMAN FORM HE HUMBLED HIMSELF AND BECAME OBEDIENT UNTO DEATH, EVEN DEATH ON A CROSS....


All sayings of Jesus (peace be upon him) in the bible confirm that he's just a MAN and a Messenger. He was not God the Father nor God the Son.
SWORD of GOD
 
  1  
Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 07:17 pm
@SWORD of GOD,
If Jesus was God ...

Then why he did not deny or oppose the samarian woman when she described him as a "Prophet":


The woman said to Him, "Sir, I perceive that You are a prophet..." [John 4:19].

!!!
Campbell34
 
  1  
Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 07:24 pm
@chico,
chico;22427 wrote:
Can God create all things without His Word? Can you separate the Father and the Word? The Father and I is One as per Jesus. How can there be two working in creation....? Answer these questions...


I believe God the Father and Jesus = One God. So when the God of the Old Testament states He did all Things ALONE and BY HIMSELF, I believe that.
Yet if you donot believe that Jesus is God, then you can not believe that God made all things ALONE and BY HIMSELF. Because God would have Jesus helping Him. Unless you believe in the Godhead, it should be obvious to all, that God was not ALONE or BY HIMSELF during creation then. DO you believe the Father and Jesus = ONE God?
SWORD of GOD
 
  1  
Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 07:50 pm
@SWORD of GOD,
If Jesus was God...

Then why Jesus said (speaking to God):


[ Jn:17:3 ]- [ And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the ONLY true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. ]

!!!
chico
 
  1  
Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 08:06 pm
@SWORD of GOD,
SWORD of GOD;22428 wrote:
All sayings of Jesus (peace be upon him) in the bible confirm that he's just a MAN and a Messenger. He was not God the Father nor God the Son.


Jesus is not God the Father. He is not God the Son, it's not in the Bible. There is no verse in the Bible that he's 'JUST A MAN'. He is a man because He became flesh. But before He bacame flesh, He was in the form of God....
0 Replies
 
chico
 
  1  
Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 08:17 pm
@Campbell34,
Campbell34;22433 wrote:
I believe God the Father and Jesus = One God. So when the God of the Old Testament states He did all Things ALONE and BY HIMSELF, I believe that.
Yet if you donot believe that Jesus is God, then you can not believe that God made all things ALONE and BY HIMSELF. Because God would have Jesus helping Him. Unless you believe in the Godhead, it should be obvious to all, that God was not ALONE or BY HIMSELF during creation then. DO you believe the Father and Jesus = ONE God?


You do not answer my questions... Can God made all things without His Word? Can you separate God from His Word?
Campbell34
 
  1  
Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 08:53 pm
@chico,
chico;22444 wrote:
You do not answer my questions... Can God made all things without His Word? Can you separate God from His Word?


God is the Word. And God made all things alone and by Himself. If you donot believe that Jesus Christ is God, then you cannot believe that God made all things ALONE and BY HIMSELF. Because if Jesus is somehow different from God, then God would of had help from Jesus during creation. Which would mean God did not create all things BY HIMSELF. So, is Jesus Christ God?
 

Related Topics

 
Copyright © 2025 MadLab, LLC :: Terms of Service :: Privacy Policy :: Page generated in 0.04 seconds on 01/19/2025 at 12:13:41