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Did Jesus even exist?

 
 
Drnaline
 
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Reply Fri 16 Feb, 2007 11:57 pm
@Professor Chaos,
Na i doubt it. He's probably in a corrections facility and they only let him log on when he's got enough booty money to pay the man, LOL. He'll be along shortly, maybe?
Mad as Hell in NC
 
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Reply Tue 20 Feb, 2007 07:35 pm
@Professor Chaos,
Professor Chaos;10463 wrote:
There's no evidence to suggest that he did. Not one word was written about him during his alleged lifetime. Christianity is obviously a mish-mash of various religious beliefs, incorporating Mithras, Dionysius, Osirius-Horus, and others into Judaism.

Christians have come to realize that every other religion man has ever invented is false. What makes yours so different?


Jesus not only existed then but exists now !! Those who have him in their heart have no doubt !!
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couchp
 
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Reply Wed 9 May, 2007 11:30 am
@Professor Chaos,
Jesus more than likely, did exist. Roman historians, even Islam state that. As the son of god, well we can all claim that! Was he special? yes, I think so.
It seems he upset some people. The jewish priests / & religion. Ring any bells, like the catholic church with the protestants , cathars. etc. Proof, well that's a tough one. Troy was just a myth, and they eventually found it! So who knows! Those bones that they have found, not this time, eventually maybe.
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92b16vx
 
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Reply Wed 9 May, 2007 12:40 pm
@Tulip cv,
Tulip;10623 wrote:
I thought l would check back and see if the Professor has shown just one shred of evidence to back up his extra-ordinary claims of Jesus not existing...since the bible coincides with historical archelogical evidence, those who do not believe, like all conspiracy theorists have the burden of proof upon them...

and l am still waiting to see any evidence at all...


Yea, like dinosaurs and cromagnum man.

Lol, just out of curiosity I started looking for sites talking about dinosaurs and the bible, oh boy, some humor to say the LEAST!!!! One of my favorite lines from one of the articles, I chuckle ever time I think about it....

Quote:
But, one such explanation does exist. If you remove the evolutionary framework, get rid of the millions of years, and then take the Bible seriously, you will find an explanation that fits the facts and makes perfect sense:



For some reason I get the same feeling I think I'd get laughing at a handicapped person.
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Reagaknight
 
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Reply Wed 9 May, 2007 02:07 pm
@Professor Chaos,
We have some hateful people here. Professor Chaos, you have done well. Why don't you return into the greeting arms of your flock now?
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Darkseid
 
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Reply Thu 10 May, 2007 01:50 pm
@Professor Chaos,
Professor Chaos;10463 wrote:
There's no evidence to suggest that he did. Not one word was written about him during his alleged lifetime. Christianity is obviously a mish-mash of various religious beliefs, incorporating Mithras, Dionysius, Osirius-Horus, and others into Judaism.

Christians have come to realize that every other religion man has ever invented is false. What makes yours so different?


In my own faith, Jesus is the incarnation of the most oldest and powerful soul in existence, Tumaseireinahab. Tumaseireinahab isn't god and if you interviewed that soul he would tell you personally the same thing.

Tumaseireinahab is a dim (male), light (good) soul that actively supports the ways of the Dran (God).

Tumaseireinahab is the most powerful soul naturally by beholding the power to control and create subspace vortexes (blackholes).

Tumaseireinahab took an interest in humans and became their true prophet to help them take care of themselves.

Tumaseireinab is the embodied sole of many prophets that have lived on Earth such as Muhammad, Buddha, Jesus, Moses, Abraham, Zoroaster, and the first Guru of Sihkism. Tumaseireinahab reincarnates immediantly after he dies like a phoenix.
Silverchild79
 
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Reply Thu 10 May, 2007 01:58 pm
@Darkseid,
Darkseid;15642 wrote:
In my own faith, Jesus is the incarnation of the most oldest and powerful soul in existence, Tumaseireinahab. Tumaseireinahab isn't god and if you interviewed that soul he would tell you personally the same thing.

Tumaseireinahab is a dim (male), light (good) soul that actively supports the ways of the Dran (God).

Tumaseireinahab is the most powerful soul naturally by beholding the power to control and create subspace vortexes (blackholes).

Tumaseireinahab took an interest in humans and became their true prophet to help them take care of themselves.

Tumaseireinab is the embodied sole of many prophets that have lived on Earth such as Muhammad, Buddha, Jesus, Moses, Abraham, Zoroaster, and the first Guru of Sihkism. Tumaseireinahab reincarnates immediantly after he dies like a phoenix.


I'm lost, there's no Wiki entry on Tumaseireinahab lol

links? info? Or were you just being goofy? Either way I want more info
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Reagaknight
 
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Reply Thu 10 May, 2007 02:23 pm
@Professor Chaos,
LOL, I did the same thing when I saw that, straight to wikipedia.
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Pinochet73
 
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Reply Thu 10 May, 2007 08:17 pm
@Professor Chaos,
This is heresy, according to my religion, but I believe it anyway: Jesus only exists for those who believe in Him. Those who don't, lack spirit, and return to dust and nothing more after dying. Those who believe in Christ, however, live for eternity, after departing this life.
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Thu 10 May, 2007 08:54 pm
@Professor Chaos,
Darkseid goffy? Not likely.
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trappedbyparties
 
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Reply Sun 13 May, 2007 09:08 pm
@Professor Chaos,
Professor Chaos;10487 wrote:
Don't just go posting names of modern books! I could do that, as well. Read The Jesus Puzzle or The Jesus Myth, etc, etc, etc.

Post the facts.

Nothing about Jesus was ever written during his lifetime. You're arguing this point. Let's see you do it with facts. Tell me what was written.


Let's do this.....Research Roman census. Research Roman history. They all speak of the existance of a man named Jesus Christ. He was a real man, Wether or not he was the son of God is questionable. I'm not going to do the research for you either so don't even tell me too. Get off of your lazy ass and do it yourself. Unless of course your too scared of being wrong.

(i can only imagine the sarcastic comments being typed, deleted, and retyped at the moment you reply to this.)
trappedbyparties
 
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Reply Sun 13 May, 2007 09:31 pm
@markx15,
markx15;10582 wrote:
Reagaknight I saw that same program, they do not debunk the idea that Padre Pio's stigmatas are true, they do however point out that they were unable to find a video/picture of him not wearing gloves (custom made gloves without the fingers) for the rest of his life. Which of course explains why it would have healed, but not scarless. On another note, his grave is visited by over 7million people every year, of which it is estimated that only little over half is catholic. And Pr. Chaos, the catholic church scrutinizes all applies for sainthood, they only grant it when the proof is truely proven numerous times, and on many occasions. Oh and something else I remember from the show was their experiment on the possiblity of a crusifiction being impossible to happen if the nail went through the hand, a scientist showed that the hands cannot sustain the full weight of the body when put on a cross, he sustains the idea that in the crusifictions(since they were not documented!! and we cannot be sure exactly how it was done) the nails went through the wrist.


There was another program like this one that shows bones of crucified people with nails through the bones around the wrist. Also from the era of Roman rule in isreal.
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92b16vx
 
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Reply Sun 13 May, 2007 09:57 pm
@trappedbyparties,
trapped.by.parties;15822 wrote:
They all speak of the existance of a man named Jesus Christ.


Christ was not Jesus surname, so, if they speak of a man named Jesus Christ, they fail from the get go.
trappedbyparties
 
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Reply Sun 13 May, 2007 10:17 pm
@Drnaline,
The evidence was given to you time and time again by multiple people in this thread! If you refuse to except them or even research them yourself, i would assume you have no other intent but to troll this thread. There are other message boards for this kind of activity. You have no argument, Your argument is you have not shown me proof or facts...well the proof and facts have been put in front of you and you choose to ignore them. While at the same time, you refuse to permit any proof or facts that there was no biblical person named jesus. In the time of jesus' life there was a census much like today that proves the excixtance of a carpenters son named jesus. Also as mentioned before there were jewish scrolls that speak of a carpenters son named jesus who was known by everyone in the village when he started his ministries. He himself(Jesus) was well known as a carpenter himself. During those times. Paula Fredriksen's From Jesus to Christ
maybe if i make it easier for you to come about this information you will actually look at it. Ancient scrolls are history by the way. That is how poeple kept records of things that happened during those times. scrolls. The fact that the romans, Jews, and many other civilizations of the times all report a man named Jesus, Justifies the fact that he existed. As a person.
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trappedbyparties
 
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Reply Sun 13 May, 2007 10:19 pm
@92b16vx,
92b16vx;15824 wrote:
Christ was not Jesus surname, so, if they speak of a man named Jesus Christ, they fail from the get go.


well actually he was most known as jesus of nazareen or however you spell it. or Jesus son of joseph. Or jesus the carpenters son. Or Jesus the carpenter. You can have your chose.
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couchp
 
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Reply Mon 14 May, 2007 03:24 am
@Darkseid,
'Whoa' Darkseid, that's pretty deep stuff, man. You got any facts on this multi prophet. I'm one of the 'Angelus' myself, more light than Dark, we need both to balance the world, so, tell me more.
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Reagaknight
 
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Reply Mon 14 May, 2007 09:58 am
@Professor Chaos,
Don't worry about the Prof. replying, haven't seen him in ages, or his partner in denouncing Christianity Morningstarr.
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leftcoast09
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 10:46 am
@Professor Chaos,
In all this debate about whether or not Jesus existed, we need to remember that it takes the same amount of faith to believe he did as to believe he didn't. Who is to say either side presents a more "valid" argument than the other, both systems of belief require faith-based assumptions at some point.
couchp
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 12:43 pm
@Professor Chaos,
If you believe in something, then to you it exists regardless of what anyone else says. That's how it should be. The fun of all this is! it gives the rest of us something to discuss!
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couchp
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 12:55 pm
@Professor Chaos,
Professor Chaos;10540 wrote:
Tacitus? Really? You'll have to do better than that.

Some scholars believe that the passage in reference was a later interpolation by Christian scribes, and some others believe that the original text was "Chrestus," with "Christus" being a substitution. At any rate, this tiny little passage which says virtually nothing about Jesus was written in 115 CE!!!!

The fact remains that Tacitus wasn't even born until more than 20 years after Jesus' alleged death. The fact remains that there are no contemporary writings by or about Jesus during his alleged lifetime. This was a person so important that the Roman Empire singled him out to be killed. Thousands allegedly flocked to him wherever he went. Yet no historians of his time had ever heard of him. Even the earliest books of the New Testament, written decades after his death, mention him as a spiritual being only.

I think it was the Jewish priests who singled him out. Plus according to the scriptures, they ( the people ) could have saved him, but chose Barabbus instead. Rome was the law, and punished him according to the methods of that time. Crucifixion was a common thing. As for Tacitus, 20yrs after is a lot nearer than 2000.
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