Space, whats up there for us?

exactly, space is huge, tell me what could we possibaly devise to comunicate faster than the speed of light, because that will be necessary for an real space expansion. As to the missile defense system, how can we work for peace if we still prepare for war?

The USA, more especifically NASA has launched another space mission (Atlantis) to deliver truss segments(I have no idea what truss segments are, if anyone would care to enlighten me it would be greatly apreciated) to the ISS, but what is really there, for the world in general, up in space? So far there has been nothing remotly usable found on the moon and elsewhere, so after all that money and time dedicated to desenvolving space stations and ect.. there has been no return, the USA donates around 6 billion dollars a year to NASA, but what have they provided? I cant deny that all space exploration has been fruitless, because its the reason why we can maintain a worldwide conection (internet), but that being done why are we still wasting time and money in useless missions?

(Atlantis) to deliver truss segments(I have no idea what truss segments are, if anyone would care to enlighten me it would be greatly apreciated) to the ISS,

but what is really there, for the world in general, up in space?

So far there has been nothing remotly usable found on the moon and elsewhere, so after all that money and time dedicated to desenvolving space stations and ect.. there has been no return, the USA donates around 6 billion dollars a year to NASA, but what have they provided?

Naive or revolutionary? Imagine the repercussions if the USA denounced all use of weaponary outside of its boarders.

What explanation would any terrorist or country have for attacking such a country?

We face today the problem kidnapping has, one must give up their part first for there to be an exchange.

One example is how plant grow in zero gravity?

North Korea and the entire Middle East would welcome that with open arms.

Truss segments are preconstructed interlocking units and are taken up there for assembly. A standard truss in a home would be like a beam holding up a wood floor or truss's hold up your roof.

Naive or revolutionary? Imagine the repercussions if the USA denounced all use of weaponary outside of its boarders. What explanation would any terrorist or country have for attacking such a country? We face today the problem kidnapping has, one must give up their part first for there to be an exchange. Of course such morality is impossible, because there will be attacks, and no man wishes the death of his son to the death of somebody unknown. If only we could consider death not as a sentence, but as a blessing.

I hadnt considered that point of veiw, but can you say what use could there be in learning such things as you said unless for space expansion, I'm not saying it is something we shouldn't pursue, I am mearly suggesting that we solve the problems we have on our planet before we repeat them on another one. That raises another matter, can we in good conscience populate another planet just to waste it as we have done with Earth? No, we still have a long way to go before we become enviormentaly safe. I also understand the need to get a "head start" on problems we will later face in an eventual space expansion.

I hadnt considered that point of veiw, but can you say what use could there be in learning such things as you said unless for space expansion,

I'm not saying it is something we shouldn't pursue, I am mearly suggesting that we solve the problems we have on our planet before we repeat them on another one.

That raises another matter, can we in good conscience populate another planet just to waste it as we have done with Earth?

No, we still have a long way to go before we become enviormentaly safe.

I also understand the need to get a "head start" on problems we will later face in an eventual space expansion

Though it is tiring to use proverbs again and again, I feel the need to use just one more: "charity begins at home". You say that you have no obligation other that humanitarianism, I say that humanitarianism is an obligation, and those who don't aide in the cause of worldly progression only contribute to its phisical and moral degration.

The USA is responsible for 30% of the greenhouse gases ejected into the atmosphere, it is the only highly industrialized country in the world which has not adherd to the Kyoto Protocol, for obviou financial reasons. The rest of the world is trying to save itself, while the USA continues to emmit absurd amounts of GHG(greenhouse gases). So when I ask someone to take responsability for our current state, of course the USA is first on the list.

Though it is tiring to use proverbs again and again, I feel the need to use just one more: "charity begins at home". You say that you have no obligation other that humanitarianism, I say that humanitarianism is an obligation, and those who don't aide in the cause of worldly progression only contribute to its phisical and moral degration.

The USA is responsible for 30% of the greenhouse gases ejected into the atmosphere, it is the only highly industrialized country in the world which has not adherd to the Kyoto Protocol, for obviou financial reasons.

The rest of the world is trying to save itself, while the USA continues to emmit absurd amounts of GHG(greenhouse gases).

So when I ask someone to take responsability for our current state, of course the USA is first on the list.

Why does your Kyoto Protocol not include, India and China? Arn't they gross poloutors too? I also suppose the next thing you'll say is GHG"s from humans are causeing global warming?

Can you name a country that contributes more then our government or it's citizens? You'll be looking for a long time. In other words, No one on this planet!

Seems your all game for stoping us from doing it. But what are you doing about the rest of the world? What is your solution for America, more money. That will fix it right?

If I knew any chinese or indian people, then I would gladly debate with them why their country has refrained from participating in the Kyoto Protocol(does the fact that other countries havn't adherd to it justify the USA's negligence?). I see that you have forgotten to post a defense for your GHG emissions, I must assume(for the time being) that there is none or else you wouldn't have wasted your time pointing fingers.



Do you know why Warren Buffet doesn't consider his donation of aproximatly 37 billion US dollars to the Bill Gates foundation to be a handout? I'll tell you why. The only manner to reap benefit is for others to recieve less, so when someone makes a fortune it is a fortune which could have been distributed, but it is now concentrated in only one person. Call it as Buffet did a "loan", which the wealthy accepted from the poor, then invested, and at last they return it with interest. That is the one of the main reasons for Bill Gates, Warren Buffet and others to be fully against the formation of an aristocracy, not based on linage, but on bank accounts. So you see, the USA isn't being humanitarian in its aid, it is simply returning what it withheld for so long, and while there at it to garantee that there will still be something there to exploite for future generations, and again I'm not saying that only the United States of America does it, many others do it too, I am mearly taking the virtue out of the action.



As for my solution, there is none, there are too many diferences in the world for everybody to accept a single set of laws for anything, but we can't ignore that the ozone is under alot of stress. Stress we caused, and so we should at least try to ammend the situation, and since we don't do it individually.. collectively remains the only option(not that its a good one).

If I knew any chinese or indian people, then I would gladly debate with them why their country has refrained from participating in the Kyoto Protocol(does the fact that other countries havn't adherd to it justify the USA's negligence?). I see that you have forgotten to post a defense for your GHG emissions, I must assume(for the time being) that there is none or else you wouldn't have wasted your time pointing fingers.

Do you know why Warren Buffet doesn't consider his donation of aproximatly 37 billion US dollars to the Bill Gates foundation to be a handout? I'll tell you why. The only manner to reap benefit is for others to recieve less, so when someone makes a fortune it is a fortune which could have been distributed, but it is now concentrated in only one person. Call it as Buffet did a "loan", which the wealthy accepted from the poor, then invested, and at last they return it with interest. That is the one of the main reasons for Bill Gates, Warren Buffet and others to be fully against the formation of an aristocracy, not based on linage, but on bank accounts. So you see, the USA isn't being humanitarian in its aid, it is simply returning what it withheld for so long, and while there at it to garantee that there will still be something there to exploite for future generations, and again I'm not saying that only the United States of America does it, many others do it too, I am mearly taking the virtue out of the action.

As for my solution, there is none, there are too many diferences in the world for everybody to accept a single set of laws for anything, but we can't ignore that the ozone is under alot of stress. Stress we caused, and so we should at least try to ammend the situation, and since we don't do it individually.. collectively remains the only option(not that its a good one)

As for pointing fingers, where are yours pointed at?

Exploitation is something you respond to well, you have fallen for something that was taught to you from a hand with a spoon.

Ozone, didn't that go out with the 80's? The science community found out that there was more ozone depletion dues to evaporation from the worlds oceans then anything man could creat.

Every where, including me and my country, we all do wrong, its in our nature. That doesn't mean we have to accept it and stay silent.



Yes it is something I respond to, because I believe it is wrong, and what if I was taught that it is wrong? Isn't it? Just to clarify something for you, I am an idealist, I believe that things CAN change so I try, if your not willing I mourn for your loss because you have no hope.



So what if it was already on the edge of the cliff, WE gave it the extra push. Anything that happens naturally is compensated for naturally.

Every where, including me and my country, we all do wrong, its in our nature. That doesn't mean we have to accept it and stay silent.

Yes it is something I respond to, because I believe it is wrong, and what if I was taught that it is wrong? Isn't it?

Just to clarify something for you, I am an idealist, I believe that things CAN change so I try, if your not willing I mourn for your loss because you have no hope.