What does Islam really teach?

Pelitsnake if you could answear me how did Muhammad discover his calling as the messenger of God?

And Tulip, why? Did he question your religion? He no doubt believes just as passionatly as you that his is the correct way. Just remeber that he tried to talk without turning this into a religious crossfire.

Hello, here is briefly how the quran was given to the prophet ( pbuh)


At the age of 40, while engaged in a meditative retreat in a mountain, Muhammad received his first revelation from God through the Archangel Gabriel. This revelation, which continued for twenty-three years, is known as the Qur'an. ( that's how it all began if you want more insight in this please let me know)

Muhammad began to recite the words he heard from Gabriel and to preach the truth which God had revealed to him. The people of Makkah were steeped in their ways of ignorance and opposed Muhammad and his small group of followers in every way. These early Muslims suffered bitter persecution.

In the year 622 CE, God gave the Muslim community the command to emigrate. This event, the hijrah or migration, in which they left Makkah for the city of Madinah, some 260 miles to the North, marks the beginning of the Muslim calendar.

Madinah provided Muhammad and the Muslims the safe and nurturing haven in which the Muslim community grew. After several years, the Prophet and his followers returned to Makkah, where they forgave their enemies and dedicated the Ka'bah to the worship of the One God. Before the Prophet died at the age of 63, the greater part of Arabia was Muslim, and within a century of his death, Islam had spread to Spain in the west and as far east as China.

I Hope that has answered your question, if you have anymore please do not hesitate to ask :peace:
thanks for your time
and can i ask you what religion you are. Judging by your avitar its looks like to me that you are hindu is that true?


P.S. thanks by the way.

I simpathize with many religions, but assotiate myself with none in particualar, I believe that we must each find our own way to "God".

yep, a good point but it takes alot of research and you have to be very spritual. But is most cases i have seen people convert to Islam when they are in search of God.
by the way can i ask you your asl if you dont mind

thanks for your time, if you have any other questions don't hesitate to ask.
:peace:

I probbly won't convert to Islam, I don't believe that I could neither make nor keep the promises I would have to.


asl?

I am not telling you to but i am saying most people did as i know its a very sprital religion as well as a basic way of life. but every one has a free will.

asl= Age/Sex/Location

thanks

Brasil/male/40
you?

:cool: cool i would have never gussed that you were from brazil
well you would not believe my age so Uk/m

You would be surprised.

check your inbox

Mark, l am not sure if you are aware that PetSnake is a Sunni Muslim, and according to the Law Of Islam you are an infidel and thus all the quotes l posted are aimed at you, and me, and any other non-Sunni Muslim.

I got your protest, PetSnake, and l am simply reading the Quran. IT is infact Muhammad who during a delussion recorded the Satanic Verses.




You have choices, l am just presenting the facts, l haven't personally attacked you, in fact l have done the opposite, and even invited you to read the bIBLE.



Wrong, you identified yourself as a Sunni Musluem and l am aware of everyone elses belief. You see this is called freedom of speech, and l guess you are not used to be free enough to state you opinion without being murdered, jailed or tortured. So l have already said, go for it, debate is about, well "conflicting views"....[me oh my this fella just doesn't get it}



Now are you trying to tell me how l would react? LOL!!!! why hold back???
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HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA....
OH MY GOSH...that is soooo funny, hee-hee....what a joker you are...

Anyway, the story of Muhammad is about a fella who married a much older woman, she died and so did his uncle. Desolute and alone he meandered around and then took up residence in a cave. He had epilepsy and dellusions.

He had this dream and told two people in his family, they encouraged him to think it was more than a dream and he decided to take it to the Jews. They tried to talk to him and reason about how his mind was muddled and his referances to the Torah were incorrect.

He demanded they claim him to be God's messenger and hand over the wealth of the temple, and power that comes with such 'status'. The jews finally had enough of his demands and ranting and told him to leave. He did but not without vowing hatred and revenge to the Jews.

He then when back to his tribe. His father had been the guardian of the rocks. This was a pagean cult that collected stones and worshiped them. The largest stone was thought to be a meoter and was worshipped and guarded. It was named after the MOON GOD, and was ALLAH. His father had been called to sacrific Mohammad but instead made a deal with someone who represented the pagean cult and in fact was a leader practicing idol worshipping and casting spells.

So his father gone, Muhammad gathered some followers together and began having his words written down by a scribe. In order to raise money he began to raid caravans, murdering, enslaving, raping, pilaging, randsoming, all around the middle-east. He had a tribe of others that justified what they were doing with all kinds of convinient verses and a scattering of teachings on how much he hated Jews and Christians, actually more than a scattering, in fact the Quran is full of hatred and teaching of how to fight all non-Muslims.

that's a quick overview I left out the parts of how he married a six year old when he was 51, after lusting after her, and how he enjoys young boys, and how women are expendiable, and how it is okay to steal, torture, decieve, and rape...all scripturally approved and done in the name of Allah, the moon God.

But don't worry Yahsau loves you and understands that Muslims have been decieved.

No offence, just working with the information l have, being the Quran and Historical Fact.

I hope it helps.

Turn the other cheek.



Sources?

Where on earth did you get that from?

oh? You are speaking to me? Last time l checked you were offended by the teachings of Muhammad-

So in order to provide you with you answer, here are some of many sources-

True History of Islam, Mohammed and the Koran




Who's Who in Medieval History - Muhammad

I found it fascinating that he lusted after a child and married her, it suggests that when he was sexually molesting her he had an orgasm that triggered the epileptic siezures...the revelations where thus claimed by him through confusion and a need to justify his criminal behaviour.



So l hope this helps everyone when they put the dellussions of Muhmat [another version of his name} in context of Islam.

And remember these, like the SATANIC VERSES, are historical fact, l am just the messenger, l guess Yahsau loves you so much he wants you to know it and enlighten to you...read the Bible, it will help you understand Muhammad, and he commanded you to do it.

Point Tulip.

Hello, How can you favour 100 200 or may be a 1000 sources which tell that story compared to the millions similar to what i wrote above.
Quran- you said that the Quran was nothing but the words of Muhammed(pbuh). Well how can you explain this:


"One of the Great Miracles" [74:35]



The Quran is characterized by a unique phenomenon never found in any human authored book. Every element of the Quran is mathematically composed - the suras, the verses, the words, the number of certain letters, the number of words from the same root, the number and variety of divine names, the unique spelling of certain words, the absence or deliberate alteration of certain letters within certain words, and many other elements of the Quran besides its content. There are two major facets of the Quran's mathematical system: (1) The mathematical literary composition, and (2) The mathematical structure involving the numbers of suras and verses. Because of this comprehensive mathematical coding, the slightest distortion of the Quran's text or physical arrangement is immediately exposed.

SIMPLE TO UNDERSTAND IMPOSSIBLE TO IMITATE

For the first time in history we have a scripture with built-in proof of divine authorship - a superhuman mathematical composition.

Any reader of this book can easily verify the Quran's mathematical miracle. The word "God" (Allah) is written in bold capital letters throughout the text. The cumulative frequency of occurrence of the word "God" is noted at the bottom of each page in the left hand corner. The number in the right hand corner is the cumulative total of the numbers for verses containing the word "God." The last page of the text, Page 372, shows that the total occurrence of the word "God" is 2698, or 19x142. The total sum of verse numbers for all verses containing the word "God" is 118123, also a multiple of 19 (118123 = 19x6217).

Nineteen is the common denominator throughout the Quran's mathematical system.

This phenomenon alone suffices as incontrovertible proof that the Quran is God's message to the world. No human being(s) could have kept track of 2698 occurrences of the word "God," and the numbers of verses where they occur. This is especially impossible in view of (1) the age of ignorance during which the Quran was revealed, and (2) the fact that the suras and verses were widely separated in time and place of revelation. The chronological order of revelation was vastly different from the final format (Appendix 23). However, the Quran's mathematical system is not limited to the word "God;" it is extremely vast, extremely intricate, and totally comprehensive.

THE SIMPLE FACTS

Like the Quran itself, the Quran's mathematical coding ranges from the very simple, to the very complex. The Simple Facts are those observations that can be ascertained without using any tools. The complex facts require the assistance of a calculator or a computer. The following facts do not require any tools to be verified, but please remember they all refer to the original Arabic text:

1. The first verse (1:1),known as "Basmalah," consists of 19 letters.
2. The Quran consists of 114 suras, which is ..............19 x 6.
3. The total number of verses in the Quran is 6346, or ....19 x 334. [6234 numbered verses & 112 un-numbered verses (Basmalahs) 6234+112 = 6346] Note that 6+3+4+6 =.......19.
4. The Basmalah occurs 114 times, despite its conspicuous absence from Sura 9 (it occurs twice in Sura 27) & 114= 19x6.
5. From the missing Basmalah of Sura 9 to the extra Basmalah of Sura 27, there are precisely ...............19 suras.
6. It follows that the total of the sura numbers from 9 to 27 (9+10+11+12+...+26+27) is 342, or .............19 x 18.
7. This total (342) also equals the number of words between the two Basmalahs of Sura 27, and 342 = ........19 x 18.
8. The famous first revelation (96:1-5) consists of .......19 words.
9. This 19-worded first revelation consists of 76 letters .19 x 4.
10. Sura 96, first in the chronological sequence, consists of .....................................................19 verses.
11. This first chronological sura is placed atop the last ..19 suras.
12. Sura 96 consists of 304 Arabic letters, and 304 equals .19 x 16.
13. The last revelation (Sura 110) consists of ............19 words.
14. The first verse of the last revelation (110:1) consists of ................19 letters.
15. 14 different Arabic letters, form 14 different sets of "Quranic Initials" (such as A.L.M. of 2:1), and prefix 29 suras. These numbers add up to 14+14+29 = 57 = ......19 x 3.
16. The total of the 29 sura numbers where the Quranic Initials occur is 2+3+7+...+50+68 = 822, and 822+14 (14 sets of initials) equals 836, or ................. 19 x 44.
17. Between the first initialed sura (Sura 2) and the last initialed sura (Sura 68) there are 38 un-initialed suras 19 x 2.
18. Between the first and last initialed sura there are ....19 sets of alternating "initialed" and "un-initialed" suras.
19. The Quran mentions 30 different numbers: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 19, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80, 99, 100, 200, 300, 1000, 2000, 3000, 5000, 50,000, & 100,000. The sum of these numbers is 162146, which equals 19x8534.

if that was't enough well what about all the scientific facts the holy Quran Gives (No one had a clue about these facts in the 7th cent. and some were discovered recently):

1- The use of scientific notions in the Noble Quran:

It is important to know that the Noble Quran doesn't give scientific equations. It instead gives many scientific notions that had been proven today to be clear Scientific Miracles because they fit perfectly with modern science. One of the Divine Miracles of the Noble Quran is that Allah Almighty (through His perfect use of the complex and artistic language of Arabic) used scientific notions to make the Noble Quran truly dynamic for all the times that It is presented in. These scientific notions hid in them, for many centuries, the scientific statements and discoveries that we just came to know today, and perhaps are even hiding in them more statements that our future generations will discover. These notions are basically key words and/or terms that describe certain creations of GOD Almighty. For example:

1- Allah Almighty in one Word said that the Universe is expanding and in another term said it will shrink back again. [51:47 ]
Science confirmed that today through the big bang and the cosmic crunch theories.

2- Allah Almighty in two Words mentioned the layers of waves and darkness inside the vast oceans. [ 24:40]
Science today, again, confirmed that.

3- Allah Almighty in one Word said that He made the earth as an egg.[79:30]
We all know today that earth is spherical and science did confirm that the earth is indeed egg-shaped.

4- Allah Almighty in few terms in several Noble Verses said that mountains prevent the earth from shaking. [16:15-16]
Science today did indeed confirm that mountains stabilize the earth and prevent it from constantly shaking while it is rotating around its own axle.

5- Allah Almighty in one term talked about the earth reducing in size.[21:44]

Science today indeed confirmed that earth is shrinking in size due to volcanoes and earth "debris" caused by erosions, earthquakes, sea-waves changing the shape and condition of the land and other natural factors, escaping to space. In fact, it is estimated that earth lost approximately 10-40 miles from its radius or depth size in the past 10 or so billion years! .

6- Allah Almighty mentioned in one term the moon's fault line.[54:1]
Science today confirmed that the moon's fault line, which is splitting it in half, was caused by major moon quakes.

7- Allah Almighty in one term talked about the earth's 7 properties.[65:12]
Science today confirmed that the earth has 7 inner layers and 7 atmospheric layers.

8- Allah Almighty in one term talked about the region inside the human-brain that controls the movements. The expression "the lying, sinful forelock" in the above verse is most interesting. Research carried out in recent years revealed that the prefrontal area, which is responsible for the management of particular functions of the brain, lies in the frontal part of the skull. Scientists only discovered the functions of this area, which the Qur'an pointed out 1,400 years ago, in the last 60 years. If we look inside the skull at the front of the head, we will find the frontal area of the cerebrum



if that wasn't enough many more examples (and the list is growing) are provided at: The Great Scientific Miracles and Discoveries in the Noble Quran and Islam.

Fastest growing religion? indeed: in 1990, 935 million of the worlds population was Muslim. In January 2004 was 1.4 billion thats an increase of 49.7 % ( that just until 2004).


You could falsely try to prove 1,2 or maybe even 3 But you cant prove them all wrong.
Which comes to my conclusion that the Quran could have never been written by a human being and especially not in the 7th century.



Thank you for reading. :peace:

The curious thing about mathematics is that you have an infinite amount of algarisms, which determine an infinte amount of combnations. You see it is possible to derive nearly any number from an equation, it is called algebrical juggling, so the number 19 apears because it is deliberatly searched for and manipulated to apear.



Is that the exact mean of the word or the implied meaning, that question goes for all the other ones to.

actually p.snake, l didn't say-

p.snake

In fact, the situation is that Muhamt {another name translation} rambled on, having his words noted, and then around 150 years after his death the Quran was put together by the rulers, Warlords, to justify their actions, of raping, pilaging, claiming land that belonged to other, murder, violence, pheophilia, and hmmmm...oh yes, torture.

SO by the time this Quran was put together it was 250 years after Mu's death. SO in otherwords it wasn't even recognized until some warlord decided to hire a man , MUSLIM, to go to all the tribes and write down anything he could gather. These tribes had been reciting tales as part of the family gathering, and it was basically decendence of the seven original tribes that were competing throughout what we know now as the Middle-East.

So after over 200 years, these reminesence memorized tales are noted and then assembled, the warlords having the editing rights.

as for your science...:eek: :wtf: :dunno: it is quite funny, in a mathematical way...

Another point Tulip .

thanks you guys...now, what do l get when l reach three? Now for science, here is the Muhmat's logic, now sit down, this is really something....



So in otherwords ...ahhhh, can't come up with an explaination, l am speachless because now l know how to measure.



So l am going to now understand that the sky has lights....good to know.



hmmm...twas not fur nothin'....wonder whats 'tween?




"clove them asunder?"..."stabilizers"..."convulse"..."broad highways"..."swim along"...wait, get a calculator l think l'm getting a numerology prediction...



Signage is the Moon...good to know.



huh?????????



:wtf: speechless



oh, okay so that is why....hold it that's another numerical miracle...just a sec, gotta calculate....36:38+67:3+ 38:27-29=44=99

SEE 99...it's a miracle!!!!