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US policy toward Genocide

 
 
Reply Thu 9 Aug, 2007 08:24 pm
I read this book ?America and the Age of Genocide? that won the Pulitzer Prize like two years ago, which also eventually prompted me to interview the former Bosnia?s foreign minister and ambassador to the UN during the war in former Yugoslavia in the context of U.S. policy toward genocide and the role human rights play in American foreign policy. If you are interested you can find it here:
The European Courier | Muhamed Sacirbey

Anyway, I think it is pretty much incomprehensible, why the U.S., the most powerful country in the world stays indifferent, when the genocide is ongoing and millions of people are being slaughtered around the world. How is it possible that U.S. president says that we are fighting in Iraq because we want to spread democracy and at the same time the U.S. doesn?t undertake any endeavors to stop genocide in Darfur, previously in Rwanda, Cambodia etc. (actually the U.S. supported politically and diplomatically Pol Pot, who is regarded the second to Hitler biggest maniac of the XX century). Do you see any consistency in the U.S. foreign policy? Is in American opinion, the right to democracy more important than the right to life? It?s XXI century and there is no moral leadership on the side of the U.S., which becomes so indifferent about sufferings of other people. When almost 3 thousand people died on 9/11, the U.S. generated support and compassion from almost the whole world. On the other hand when 8 thousand people were dying in Rwanda A DAY, no American gave a damn.
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Thu 9 Aug, 2007 08:36 pm
@European cv,
Are you not as indifferent as we?
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tvsej
 
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Reply Fri 10 Aug, 2007 08:42 am
@European cv,
European;29939 wrote:
I read this book ?America and the Age of Genocide? that won the Pulitzer Prize like two years ago, which also eventually prompted me to interview the former Bosnia?s foreign minister and ambassador to the UN during the war in former Yugoslavia in the context of U.S. policy toward genocide and the role human rights play in American foreign policy. If you are interested you can find it here:
The European Courier | Muhamed Sacirbey

Anyway, I think it is pretty much incomprehensible, why the U.S., the most powerful country in the world stays indifferent, when the genocide is ongoing and millions of people are being slaughtered around the world. How is it possible that U.S. president says that we are fighting in Iraq because we want to spread democracy and at the same time the U.S. doesn?t undertake any endeavors to stop genocide in Darfur, previously in Rwanda, Cambodia etc. (actually the U.S. supported politically and diplomatically Pol Pot, who is regarded the second to Hitler biggest maniac of the XX century). Do you see any consistency in the U.S. foreign policy? Is in American opinion, the right to democracy more important than the right to life? It?s XXI century and there is no moral leadership on the side of the U.S., which becomes so indifferent about sufferings of other people. When almost 3 thousand people died on 9/11, the U.S. generated support and compassion from almost the whole world. On the other hand when 8 thousand people were dying in Rwanda A DAY, no American gave a damn.


We cannot police the entire world Superman, we have to only help those that have valuable resources we can steal! Africa has diamonds but forget it thats all taken. Other than that what do they have; over population, highest HIV count on the globe, staving people, no water, no land good for crops, the list is long. Oh yeah Ebola, H5N1, and so many more great diseases.:dunno:
South America has oil, natural gas, and it boarders the USA. Iraq has oil, Kuwait(spell) has oil, Mmmmm! I wonder why we don't help Africa!
scooby-doo cv
 
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Reply Fri 10 Aug, 2007 09:30 am
@European cv,
the US has backed despots who carried out genocide,when it suited them,and has done for decades.
tvsej
 
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Reply Fri 10 Aug, 2007 09:33 am
@scooby-doo cv,
scooby-doo;29986 wrote:
the US has backed despots who carried out genocide,when it suited them,and has done for decades.


Yes they are guilty as hell!
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Fri 10 Aug, 2007 09:48 am
@scooby-doo cv,
scooby-doo;29986 wrote:
the US has backed despots who carried out genocide,when it suited them,and has done for decades.

Is there something illegal about that? Are you trying to imply we backed them to aide in genocide?
scooby-doo cv
 
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Reply Fri 10 Aug, 2007 09:55 am
@Drnaline,
Drnaline;29996 wrote:
Is there something illegal about that? Are you trying to imply we backed them to aide in genocide?


the US backed dictators they knew were carrying out genocide,SADDAM is a prime example,the massacre of the kurds in 1982 that was brought up in his trial,then we had the infamous picture of rumsfield,shaking SADDAMS hand in 1984,the US turns a blind eye,when it suits them !
tvsej
 
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Reply Fri 10 Aug, 2007 10:03 am
@scooby-doo cv,
scooby-doo;29998 wrote:
the US backed dictators they knew were carrying out genocide,SADDAM is a prime example,the massacre of the kurds in 1982 that was brought up in his trial,then we had the infamous picture of rumsfield,shaking SADDAMS hand in 1984,the US turns a blind eye,when it suits them !


Richtig, Donald Rumsfeld and Daddy Bush gave Saddam the green light to mass murder over 5,000 Kurdish people with poison gas. All because they had more oil than he did. He wasn#t gonna stand for that.
Drnaline
 
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Reply Fri 10 Aug, 2007 10:35 am
@scooby-doo cv,
scooby-doo;29998 wrote:
the US backed dictators they knew were carrying out genocide,SADDAM is a prime example,the massacre of the kurds in 1982 that was brought up in his trial,then we had the infamous picture of rumsfield,shaking SADDAMS hand in 1984,the US turns a blind eye,when it suits them !
Quote:
the US turns a blind eye,when it suits them
So do you. And?
Drnaline
 
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Reply Fri 10 Aug, 2007 10:36 am
@tvsej,
tvsej;30001 wrote:
Richtig, Donald Rumsfeld and Daddy Bush gave Saddam the green light to mass murder over 5,000 Kurdish people with poison gas. All because they had more oil than he did. He wasn#t gonna stand for that.
I suppose you have proof or just an opinion?
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Fri 10 Aug, 2007 10:46 am
@European cv,
European;29939 wrote:
I read this book ?America and the Age of Genocide? that won the Pulitzer Prize like two years ago, which also eventually prompted me to interview the former Bosnia?s foreign minister and ambassador to the UN during the war in former Yugoslavia in the context of U.S. policy toward genocide and the role human rights play in American foreign policy. If you are interested you can find it here:
The European Courier | Muhamed Sacirbey

Anyway, I think it is pretty much incomprehensible, why the U.S., the most powerful country in the world stays indifferent, when the genocide is ongoing and millions of people are being slaughtered around the world. How is it possible that U.S. president says that we are fighting in Iraq because we want to spread democracy and at the same time the U.S. doesn?t undertake any endeavors to stop genocide in Darfur, previously in Rwanda, Cambodia etc. (actually the U.S. supported politically and diplomatically Pol Pot, who is regarded the second to Hitler biggest maniac of the XX century). Do you see any consistency in the U.S. foreign policy? Is in American opinion, the right to democracy more important than the right to life? It?s XXI century and there is no moral leadership on the side of the U.S., which becomes so indifferent about sufferings of other people. When almost 3 thousand people died on 9/11, the U.S. generated support and compassion from almost the whole world. On the other hand when 8 thousand people were dying in Rwanda A DAY, no American gave a damn.


We're not fighting for Democracy in Iraq. We're fighting Terrorist Islam and other anti-American elements. Also, we're not the world's police force.
scooby-doo cv
 
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Reply Fri 10 Aug, 2007 12:52 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;30012 wrote:
We're not fighting for Democracy in Iraq. We're fighting Terrorist Islam and other anti-American elements. Also, we're not the world's police force.


terrorist islam wasn't in iraq,prior to the invasion ! and BUSH keeps talking about IRAQ being a free democratic state,so what is it about ? WMDs ?
Drnaline
 
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Reply Fri 10 Aug, 2007 01:59 pm
@European cv,
Quote:
terrorist islam wasn't in iraq,prior to the invasion !
Prove it?
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Fri 10 Aug, 2007 02:13 pm
@scooby-doo cv,
scooby-doo;30028 wrote:
terrorist islam wasn't in iraq,prior to the invasion ! and BUSH keeps talking about IRAQ being a free democratic state,so what is it about ? WMDs ?


You don't think SH was capable of terrorism? What the hell did he inflict on his people, if not state terrorism? As for Bush's commentary on democracy -- such platitudes are mandatory at his level. It's PC and bureau-speak. All high-level leaders have to spout that junk.:no:
92b16vx
 
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Reply Fri 10 Aug, 2007 06:06 pm
@Drnaline,
Drnaline;30051 wrote:
Prove it?


http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report.pdf

Read it.
aaronssongs
 
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Reply Fri 10 Aug, 2007 06:25 pm
@European cv,
European;29939 wrote:
I read this book ?America and the Age of Genocide? that won the Pulitzer Prize like two years ago, which also eventually prompted me to interview the former Bosnia?s foreign minister and ambassador to the UN during the war in former Yugoslavia in the context of U.S. policy toward genocide and the role human rights play in American foreign policy. If you are interested you can find it here:
The European Courier | Muhamed Sacirbey

Anyway, I think it is pretty much incomprehensible, why the U.S., the most powerful country in the world stays indifferent, when the genocide is ongoing and millions of people are being slaughtered around the world. How is it possible that U.S. president says that we are fighting in Iraq because we want to spread democracy and at the same time the U.S. doesn?t undertake any endeavors to stop genocide in Darfur, previously in Rwanda, Cambodia etc. (actually the U.S. supported politically and diplomatically Pol Pot, who is regarded the second to Hitler biggest maniac of the XX century). Do you see any consistency in the U.S. foreign policy? Is in American opinion, the right to democracy more important than the right to life? It?s XXI century and there is no moral leadership on the side of the U.S., which becomes so indifferent about sufferings of other people. When almost 3 thousand people died on 9/11, the U.S. generated support and compassion from almost the whole world. On the other hand when 8 thousand people were dying in Rwanda A DAY, no American gave a damn.


There is a reason, America cared about the Balkans....not only was it a religious war, the Christian West vs. the Middle East Muslims, it was a ethnic/racial war...Aryans vs. non-Aryans....you see, white America at its' core only cares about those it can identify with...and if they are ever threatened, it also threatens them ( on a subconscious level)...otherwise, why is there no intervention in Africa, in Indonesia, or in any other non-caucasian nation? The ties to Israel are myriad and complex. The Jewish lobby is all-powerful...so we're in that obscene soap opera, until the fat lady sings her aria.
America pays lip service, when it's in its' best interest...if not, it lets the fur fly, while retaining a pair of shears of its' own. America should be spelled: H.Y.P.O.C.R.I.T.E.
And I'm speaking of the government, mind you...not the American people...although they are responsible for electing liars, and cheats into office, and not holding them accountable...why some are willing to sacrifice our liberties and our freedoms is beyond me....perhaps, they've made a deal with the devil, and sold their souls for a bigger slice of the pie. It wouldn't surprise me.
aaronssongs
 
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Reply Fri 10 Aug, 2007 06:30 pm
@tvsej,
tvsej;29979 wrote:
We cannot police the entire world Superman, we have to only help those that have valuable resources we can steal! Africa has diamonds but forget it thats all taken. Other than that what do they have; over population, highest HIV count on the globe, staving people, no water, no land good for crops, the list is long. Oh yeah Ebola, H5N1, and so many more great diseases.:dunno:
South America has oil, natural gas, and it boarders the USA. Iraq has oil, Kuwait(spell) has oil, Mmmmm! I wonder why we don't help Africa!


Just as soon as HIV kills off most of the people, they ( America and its competitors) will move in and take the resources of the decimated populace, who will be in no position to resist....it's all been planned, and very transparently, at that.
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aaronssongs
 
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Reply Fri 10 Aug, 2007 06:30 pm
@tvsej,
tvsej;29979 wrote:
We cannot police the entire world Superman, we have to only help those that have valuable resources we can steal! Africa has diamonds but forget it thats all taken. Other than that what do they have; over population, highest HIV count on the globe, staving people, no water, no land good for crops, the list is long. Oh yeah Ebola, H5N1, and so many more great diseases.:dunno:
South America has oil, natural gas, and it boarders the USA. Iraq has oil, Kuwait(spell) has oil, Mmmmm! I wonder why we don't help Africa!


So true, so true. You'd better preach!
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aaronssongs
 
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Reply Fri 10 Aug, 2007 06:31 pm
@scooby-doo cv,
scooby-doo;29986 wrote:
the US has backed despots who carried out genocide,when it suited them,and has done for decades.


Finally, people telling the truth!
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aaronssongs
 
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Reply Fri 10 Aug, 2007 06:34 pm
@Drnaline,
Drnaline;29996 wrote:
Is there something illegal about that? Are you trying to imply we backed them to aide in genocide?


Exactly....the very same government that you endorse, wholeheartedly, is responsible for killing innocents....as they are doing, currently, in Iraq...and we don't need to provide you proof...the proof is out there, if you're willing to look at it, but you haven't up to this point....so why bother? Who are you, anyway?
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