Michael Moore to release two new "Documentaries"

@oleo,

oleo;6122 wrote:

as for the rest, maybe later...

but The United States of America IS a "Liberal Democracy." You should really
look into this, because you'll look really foolish denying the terminology. Those
two words are very significant, and very important to what this country is
and stands for. ...and yes, Jefferson, Franklin, Madison, Paine, et al... those crazy
ultra-progressive Liberals that founded America, called it that! They took
the terminology from John Locke and the French philosophers of the Enlightenment,
who planted the ideological seeds of liberty!

Am I the only person here who went to college and studied history and poli sci?

hell, am I the only one who studied American History and Government in High School?

I did not make the statement of "Liberal Democracy?" You did. If you are not prepared to back it up then you should drop it as a subject. I will not look into it untill you justify the statement. Untill then it is hearsay.

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Am I the only person here who went to college and studied history and poli sci?

Na, but you probably are the only one that believed every thing you were taught.

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hell, am I the only one who studied American History and Government in High School?

Dought that either.

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@tumbleweed cv,

It makes it easy for our enemies to recruit suicide bombers, and terrorist
hijackers, and get fodder for their Jihad. The finger is pointed to U.S. as
the reason that somehow oil wealth doesn't trickle down to them (but is siphoned off by the ruling families) and why they have no practical
education or opportunities. State employees in the mosques do the recruiting.
Who cares, right? We get relatively cheap oil out of the deal... What's a
9/11 every once in a while? BY OLEO

You are way oof track my friend....:wtf:
I do not get why certain americans want to blame their country for everything happens in that part of the world? If the Middle estearnian are uneducated or else, has not stopped them from intentionally harm another human being, thea't their nature...They have a brain like us and they make their own choices!!!!This sort of f......g victimism from their part it is just a ice on the cake to carry on their worlwide jihad why all of us are to much busy to blame our countries...:no: :no:

And for sure If they would have been educated probably will be even worse than already is...Oh wait didn't we forged laws to let these poor uneducated fellows the opportunity to use our unholy western world to make them so knowlegeble and full of opportunities to do what 9/11, 7/7 and probably more? :frown:

Oil? We should have all of it! Why? To stop aour enemies who use it to finance fundamentalist groups and ther radical muslims areound the world....:wtf: I wish that part of the world will soak dry tomorrow!!! Very Happy

The U.S. does have the power
in the world to use economical measures to force the governments in
that region, as well as anywhere else, to improve the lives of their people
and not just be parasites on the resources. He proposes this as the new
conservative foreign affairs agenda, and it's a great one. By oleo

Oh you mean helping the people who are killing our soldiers? I see! eek: Shouldn't be UN job to do that...Oh wait again! US has been doing UN job for decades! The result? US accused of imperialism and being an opportunist country!!!:dunno: So make your mind dude!!!:wtf:

America has been blamed for all the political messes in the world, unjustly!!!Even the Nam war happened because US wanted to help people in the democratic part of the country S. Vietnam....If i was Bush or anyone else will become President next, i will let UN get down and dirty, it is time their earn their money as they supposed to do!!! Very Happy

Cowards!!!!!!:beat:

Maybe Moore should think to advocate how america has helped many countries in time of distress, it would' nt hurt him to be on America side for good or worse; like a truly american bloke...::cool:

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@Brent cv,

Thanks again Sherm.

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@Drnaline,

Drnaline;6133 wrote:

Thanks again Sherm.

Anytime my friend!!!!!:banana: :patriot:

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@Sherman cv,

Sherman,

I was stating a factual view of exactly what really goes on. Did I say we
are guilty, as a country? No. Did I say we get pointed to by corrupt regimes
in places like Saudi Arabia, who are robbing their own people blind, as the
reason that they live in poverty? Yes, I did, and it's true.

Research it on your own, please. Also, look into the growing unrest in Nigeria,
where the citizens in the center of the country live in abject poverty, near starvation,
and the enormous oil revenues are directed into a small segment of the population.
A kidnapped American oil worker, upon his release, said
"I don't blame them... they were very kind to me, but they are poor as field
mice. I felt like a burden being fed by these people, who can't feed themselves.
God help them!"

If you won't bother to learn to underlying reasons for what goes on in the
world, simply chalking it up to "it's how they are... it's in their nature," then
you are on about the same level as your average Al Qaeda supporter, really.

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@Drnaline,

Drnaline;6124 wrote:

I did not make the statement of "Liberal Democracy?" You did. If you are not prepared to back it up then you should drop it as a subject. I will not look into it untill you justify the statement. Untill then it is hearsay.

Na, but you probably are the only one that believed every thing you were taught.

Dought that either.

It's "doubt." Did you receive an education at all?

Am I really supposed to prove something every 4th grader is supposed to
learn? Okay... but I realize I could produce Benjamin Franklin's actual journal
and you'd doubt the legitimacy.

"Liberal democracy is frequently used to describe the political philosophy
of America."

"Liberalism is a political view that seeks to change the political, economic
or social quo to foster the development and well-being of the individual."

"Democracy is a frequently used word but its meaning is rarely fully
understood. A democratic political system is one in which the ultimate
political authority is vested in the people. The word democracy comes from
the Greek words "demos" which means the people and "kratos" which
means authority."

::Liberal Democracy::

or

Liberal democracy traces its origins - and its name - to the European
18th century, also known as the Age of Enlightenment. At the time, the vast
majority of European states were monarchies, with political power held
either by the monarch or the aristocracy. The possibility of democracy had
not been seriously considered by political theory since classical antiquity,
and the widely held belief was that democracies would be inherently
unstable and chaotic in their policies due to the changing whims of the
people. It was further believed that democracy was contrary to human
nature, as human beings were seen to be inherently evil, violent and in
need of a strong leader to restrain their destructive impulses. Many
European monarchs held that their power had been ordained by God, and
that questioning their right to rule was tantamount to blasphemy.

These conventional views were challenged at first by a relatively small
group of Enlightenment intellectuals, who believed that human affairs
should be guided by reason and principles of liberty and equality. They
argued that all people are created equal, and therefore political authority
cannot be justified on the basis of "noble blood", a supposed privileged
connection to God, or any other characteristic that is alleged to make one
person superior to others. They further argued that governments exist to
serve the people, not vice versa, and that laws should apply to those who
govern as well as to the governed (a concept known as rule of law).

Near the end of the 18th century, these ideas inspired the American
Revolution and the French Revolution, which gave birth to the ideology of
liberalism and instituted forms of government that attempted to apply the
principles of the Enlightenment philosophers into practice. Neither of these
forms of government was precisely what we would call a liberal democracy
we know today (the most significant difference being that voting rights
were still restricted to a minority of the population), and the French attempt
turned out to be short-lived, but they were the prototypes from which
liberal democracy later grew. Since the supporters of these forms of
government were known as liberals, the governments themselves came to
be known as liberal democracies.

There is general agreement that the states of the European Union, Japan,
the United States, Canada, India, South Africa, Australia, and New Zealand
are liberal democracies."
liberal democracy: Information from Answers.com

or

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-liberal-democracy.htm

or

liberal democracy: Information from Answers.com

oh, wait... you want it tied directly to the founding fathers, eh?

Those Who Hate "Liberals" Really Hate a Free America

okay, that's just an informed essay... you won't believe that...

Why don't you go sit in on a high school civics class...

I tell you what... why don't you write or call Rush Limbaugh or Bill O'Reilly,
and tell them I had the audacity to call the United States of America a
"Liberal Democracy." In those exact 2 words... not "a liberal country."
a "Liberal Democracy!" Let's see if they can refrain from belittling your
lack of knowledge about your own country and history, and can't define
words in a broader context than what people have told you should get you
worked up.

I'll be watching and listening, as hard as it is for me to make it through one
of their shows.

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@oleo,

oleo;6158 wrote:

Sherman,

I was stating a factual view of exactly what really goes on. Did I say we
are guilty, as a country? No. Did I say we get pointed to by corrupt regimes
in places like Saudi Arabia, who are robbing their own people blind, as the
reason that they live in poverty? Yes, I did, and it's true.

Research it on your own, please. Also, look into the growing unrest in Nigeria,
where the citizens in the center of the country live in abject poverty, near starvation,
and the enormous oil revenues are directed into a small segment of the population.
A kidnapped American oil worker, upon his release, said
"I don't blame them... they were very kind to me, but they are poor as field
mice. I felt like a burden being fed by these people, who can't feed themselves.
God help them!"

If you won't bother to learn to underlying reasons for what goes on in the
world, simply chalking it up to "it's how they are... it's in their nature," then
you are on about the same level as your average Al Qaeda supporter, really.

Oleo dear,

Is that UN job stop poverty around the world?..Of course we do not want anyone in the world to starve and dying of infenctious deseases.. We want to do what we can trying to help, but essentially it is the governaments of those under-developed countries that have the power to make things happen for their own people...Like you said there is a lot of corruption..That's the main reason because America went in Iraq, the source of the many problems we have, but it is not just iraq. To be honest with you even if we would find a way to solve the MEast (Isreael and Palestinians) crisis, i doub it those people, wouldn't come up with some other reason to hate us, burn our flags and walkover our beliefs, which i am sick and tired to witness...frown:

The underlying reasons of how it happens and why, are irrelevant, instead of wasting time to point fingers and blame other than America, we should be unite to work out a plan.. Do you remember how the SARS thereat to spread worldwide was stopped? That's the kind of collaboration we need ...America and other developed countries can make this happen.:p

Ultimately it is important to aknowledge that we can be willing to help and take action to improve some very brutal realities, but at the end of the day if someone have cultivate and feed the emotion of hating, it is very unlikely they change their nature.....

PS I don't think Al Quaeda supporters they think at all!!! So i will appreciate if you do not compare myself with those murderers....I find it very offensive!! Thank you...

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@Sherman cv,

Sorry, Sherman, for equating you with Al Qaeda supporters (not "fighters,"
just the people who support the cause), but you're right: they don't think.
They just accept, as truth, that the big bad infidels of western culture make
them poor, and steal their oil for low prices and that's why their lives are
so bad, and that we're all evil and would drag them to hell with us if they
don't listen to the holy men and reject our "liberalism" and "tolerance" of
other ways beside the way of the one true Allah.

I just finished re-reading a great book called "The Social Brain" by Michael
Gazzaniga. He's a neurosurgeon who worked with epileptics who had to
have their brains split in half to stop extreme seizures then be rehabilitated.
Through this, he gained a remarkable amount of insight into how the brain
works (he discovered the "left brain/right brain" differences) and located a
part of the brain that houses our beliefs.

If, for instance, you tell a child that they cannot do math enough times
when they are young, you in fact cause that part of the brain to develop
the reflex of discharging the chemicals that cause a reaction of anxiety
when they are presented with a math problem, which disrupts the brains
attempts to think and solve the problem.

If you tell a child they are ugly enough times that part of the brain
releases chemicals that cause anxiety and depression when they look
into a mirror, even if they happen to be beautiful their brains would
distort the image to make them accept they are ugly.

If you tell a child they are going to hell for this or that enough times when
they are young it is extremely difficult for them to be able to reason that
it might not be the case later, as that part of the brain will go into action
and flood the brain with chemicals that cause anxiety and fear.

In short, extremist religion is like child abuse, and just as damaging in
the long run. It's abuse that becomes addictive, since the brain counteracts
those chemicals with the chemicals that calm and soothe and create
pleasure.

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@oleo,

So we are doomed! ...Those people will never change...They have been brainwashed all their lives and do not see any other reality better than theirs...How can we fight that??:eek:

That's very very scary..:eek: God Help Us!!

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@Sherman cv,

We have to infect their children with the virus of individualism....
standing on their own, thinking for themselves, being self-determing
people. That's what Islam is fighting, in terms of the war on the west.
That is the very thing they attack, if you read their speeches and
rants. Western individualism, the undoing of unquestioning participation
in a society that completely dictates your thought and behavior.

That's also what extremist religious groups here fight. Organized religion
has the emphasis on "organization." A relationship with God, if you
believe in him, shouldn't need middle-men and an appointed building.

I remember someone once saying "I could never find God in a church,
then I ended up in a gutter, and he found me." I'm an atheist but I
like that one.

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@oleo,

Gosh! You are an optmist! Do you really believe they will let us to teach how to live their lives...
Perhaps the muslims in America westernized understand life as an individual with free choices...I doubt British muslim do....

Miracles sometims happens, i just have no faith in people!!!
I like that saying too!

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