Is there a god?

@Brent cv,

I still maintain that the philosopher meant that man could never imagine a perfect being simply because man is imperfect , so his idea of perfection would be flawed , thus only God could implant the idea of a perfect being in man's mind .

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@Brent cv,

tumbleweed wrote:

It comes down to interpetation. Maybe your familiar with "Footloose"

Exodus Ch.15 v.20-21. Miriam is playing a timbrels ( tamborine) in praise of the lord sending them water.

Psalm Ch.149 v. 1-6. It mentions a harp, and the timbrels while singing praises and dancing.

God didn't command anyone to play an instrument. They used music as a symbol of praise and worship.

Right, but unless I'm mistaken, he did command us to sing. So why would we add music when he laid out what he wants us to do?

I'll use a canned Church of Christ response about your scriptures: They're OT.

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@ndjs,

Freedom of choice. Very Happy

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@Brent cv,

ndjs wrote:

That's why there are so many churches now. Everybody picks what is a plus for them.

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@ndjs,

ndjs wrote:

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I agree.

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@Brent cv,

If there is no God then some spirit has 5 billion people tricked.

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@JEB007,

JEB007 wrote:

I was raised Catholic, I don't go to church, I believe in Jesus, I believe he is the son of God, I believe God watches over us. But I do sometimes wonder if I believe all this things because I have faith or because they were imprinted in me by my parents. If I ever meet God I will ask him why bad things happen to good people.

I grew up as a Baptist, and I have accepted Jesus as my Savior. I believe that He was sent as a sacrifice to save us from our sins. No works or relationships other than your relationship with God can earn you righteousness or salvation, and He is the only way to Heaven. I did learn good habits and morals from my parents, but the salvation issue had nothing to do with them. I went through a period in my life in which I didn't care for God or church. I also believe that the church is a body of believers, and that it has nothing to do with attendance, works, a building, or a congregation.

Bad things happen to good people for the same reason that bad things happen to bad people. Everything works according to God's plan, and all things are overseen by Him. He's a just God, but also a forgiving one, and we must realize that life on Earth has very little relevancy to eternity. Therefore, we shouldn't concern ourselves as much with the why's and how's but with what we do with our time on Earth.

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@ndjs,

ndjs wrote:

Right, but unless I'm mistaken, he did command us to sing. So why would we add music when he laid out what he wants us to do?

I'll use a canned Church of Christ response about your scriptures: They're OT.

There's also mention of David dancing, and I think David had things pretty much on the ball.

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@maineus cv,

maineus wrote:

If there is no God then some spirit has 5 billion people tricked.

So what's this spitits name?

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@ndjs,

ndjs wrote:

I'm still not following. So what about stacking chips to the point where they can't support themselves? They will just fall over, needing no "trigger" other than their own weight and lack of organizational support. THAT is a more accurate representation of the most accepted views of how the world was created. The tiny, incredibly dense ball of matter did not need someone/something to touch it to trigger the explosion. It was just unstable.

But where did that ball of matter come from? I find both of these questions equally puzzling, and I think if one could be answered, then it would change humanity forever.

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@ndjs,

ndjs wrote:

That's why there are so many churches now. Everybody picks what is a plus for them. I was raised Church of Christ, and while I am not religious at all anymore, you can expect me to be the stickler of the group, haha. Nowhere in the New Law of the Bible does it mention music as worship or tell people to play music is worship. It mentions song and making melody with the heart, but it doesn't mention an organ or guitar anywhere.

Jesus also never rode in a car or met in an air-conditioned building.

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@ndjs,

ndjs wrote:

That's why there are so many churches now. Everybody picks what is a plus for them. I was raised Church of Christ, and while I am not religious at all anymore, you can expect me to be the stickler of the group, haha. Nowhere in the New Law of the Bible does it mention music as worship or tell people to play music is worship. It mentions song and making melody with the heart, but it doesn't mention an organ or guitar anywhere.

Col. 3:16 says, "Let the word of Christ dewll in you richly in all wisdom, teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with the grace in your hearts to the Lord."

That's probably the verse they use.

Sorry for all the quotes Nick, I just happen to find points in your arguments that I wanted to refute or support.

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@Brent cv,

Brent wrote:

So who here believes there is a "god" that reigns over Humans?

How do you see God if you believe in one?

Do you follow a certain religion and if so which one?

I myself can not bring myself to believe in a God but I also can not believe any other theories put forth for how we got here as well.

I believe there is a cosmic entity that controls and changes the world we live in and therefore controls our very lives.

However I don't believe this cosmic entity is a person or a being for any matter, this is why I agree with Jews, Christians, and Muslims that perfer not giving any kind of a form or physical depiction over a cosmic entity. Even though they do address it as a he.

Well what is the cosmic entity you might ask? I'll answer this question for you.

The cosmic entity that we refer to as god, is actually a unity of goodness that resides in each of us. That my friends is god. Or better yet to say we are god or better to say, pieces of god. That our actions and our interests and our will is what shapes the world, consciously and subconsciously.

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@Brent cv,

But what of what is outside of this earth? Is there a god out there? Or our projection of him out there? Big Bang anyone?

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@Drnaline,

Drnaline wrote:

But what of what is outside of this earth? Is there a god out there? Or our projection of him out there? Big Bang anyone?

Well you could very well argue that there are other spirits out there and that their unified aspects is what would create a universal entity or god or whatever. But there is no god, in the sense there is no being that has absolute power over everything and everyone. We invented the concept of a god, to try in an attempt to understand the cosmic entity, which is after all not a being, but a force that implemented from each of us.

The big bang was created by the masses of souls that willed and desired for the big bang to occur. The big bang it self is nothing more than an event that occurs in respondance to the big crush.

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@Brent cv,

Your not by chance related to Ron L Hubbard are you, LOL? Interesting theorys you have there?

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@Darkseid,

Darkseid wrote:

I believe there is a cosmic entity that controls and changes the world we live in and therefore controls our very lives.

However I don't believe this cosmic entity is a person or a being for any matter, this is why I agree with Jews, Christians, and Muslims that perfer not giving any kind of a form or physical depiction over a cosmic entity. Even though they do address it as a he.

Well what is the cosmic entity you might ask? I'll answer this question for you.

The cosmic entity that we refer to as god, is actually a unity of goodness that resides in each of us. That my friends is god. Or better yet to say we are god or better to say, pieces of god. That our actions and our interests and our will is what shapes the world, consciously and subconsciously.

That's your god, not my God.

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@Darkseid,

Darkseid wrote:

We invented the concept of a god, to try in an attempt to understand the cosmic entity, which is after all not a being, but a force that implemented from each of us.

This brings us back to Descartes .
"I was trying to inject some semblance of thought from a famous philosopher into the discussion in order to assist us in making up our minds about believing in God , or not believing .
This discussion gets nowhere if none of us is willing to attempt to see the others' positions as plausible , and examine the reasons . Descarte was doing just that when he postulated his "proof" .
You all are missing his point - that an imperfect being ie: man , being imperfect , could not imagine a perfect being simply because he ( man ) IS imperfect , thus incapable of building in his mind a perfect being . Descartes thus claims to "prove" that the perfect being (God) MUST exist to implant the idea in man's mind ."

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@jatuab,

jatuab wrote:

Jesus also never rode in a car or met in an air-conditioned building.

So what happened to Jesus and God knowing all?

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@Brent cv,

Brent wrote:

So what happened to Jesus and God knowing all?

That's more of a knowledge concept than a physical thing. Why would Jesus or God need to physically ride in car when, spiritually speaking, They're everywhere?

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