Is there a god?

He cant just be always there

At one point he had to be created.

Exactly its absurd, something had to create him. He could not have just been there since the beginning of time. The whole concept is absurd.

How is it so absurd? Is infinity absurd? It doesn't start nor stop anywhere. Like I said, you think it is absurd because you CAN'T comprehend it, no human can. That is where faith comes in. The universe, infinity, and eternity all go on forever. The human mind can't comprehend that either, however, you belive it because you have faith in what you learned.

I am not trying to convert or change anyones mind here, I am just showing you that, no, it is not absurd to believe what I believe, and I find it offensive when someone tells me my beliefes are absurd. You do not believe in God, fine, that is your choice, but I am not going to tell you it is absurd, even though from my standpoint, I find it difficult to understand how people can't believe in God.

Exactly its absurd, something had to create him. He could not have just been there since the beginning of time. The whole concept is absurd.

Because, its a fairy tale. There is no way some magical being has been here since the beginning of time, something had to create this god.
It is hard to establish faith in something which has no real explination. I dont know exactly how we were created, but i know it was not through some magical being. Im sorry that I offended you by saying that believing in god is absurd, but that is simply what i believe.

Because, its a fairy tale.

I dont know exactly how we were created, but i know it was not through some magical being.

What would be the equal and opposite reaction to creating the universe?

For some thing to creat him you must believe he exists. Do you? You need to read up about the current theorys. Space and time were believe in modern day science to not exist before the Big Bang. They the mass majority of scientists it is absurd. Who could he of not been there at the beginning of time if it didn't exist before?

Do you believe in the science law of reaction? For every action there is an equal and opposing reaction? Your only conclusion is that there is a reaction which was caused by an action. Ask Brent. If you believe not then you don't believe in one of science's first principals. I suggest you read up before you answer.



Really, how do you know? You have faith in science maybe?

For some thing to creat him you must believe he exists. Do you? You need to read up about the current theorys. Space and time were believe in modern day science to not exist before the Big Bang. They the mass majority of scientists it is absurd. Who could he of not been there at the beginning of time if it didn't exist before?

Well what was the action that caused the reaction that created the universe then?

No he does not believe he exists. He is using that arguement against NaterG... come on you should have been able to get that much out of it... he is saying that IF God existed he could not just create himself. Something would have had to create "God"

he is saying that IF God existed he could not just create himself. Something would have had to create "God"

God did not creat Himself, God was, is, and always will be.

Anyway, I will now bow out as I have argued my point far enough. As I stated, I am not trying to change anyone's mind, just showing my answer to the topic question. Good debate. (that is, if you consider calling someones faith "absurd" a debate, but, whatever, to each thier own I suppose)

if for every action there is a reaction, then god should have been a reaction.
But can anyone tell me what was the action?

That is what we are discussing. I believe it to be God. I would like to know what Brent and Steve think it is?