Did Man Set Foot On The Moon In The 60s, 70,s Or Ever?

@parados,

parados wrote:

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Blowing down on it will make it scatter laterally in all directions, yes... but it would also cause a multitude of collisions, whose reactions in turn would send it in virtually every direction. How can this not be obvious to everyone?

Having dealt with fine dust, what you think is obvious isn't what actually happens even in an atmosphere. You only have one source blowing the particles. They will not collide and go all over the place. They will collide as they move in the same direction but it won't violate the laws of physics and send them in opposite directions.

Nonsense. They will inevitably collide with the irregular surface of the moon as well, which will cause some of them to change directions and collide with each other, and there is no need for any one collision to send anything in "opposite directions." Another silly attempt to divert attention from the obvious.

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@DrewDad,

Time of drop in a vacuum would be the same for any object from a hammer to a fine piece of dust.

d=1/2at^2
2d/a=t^2
a=1.63 roughly m^2/sec on moon
t^2=4/1.63=2.45

t=1.56 seconds for a 2 meters drop

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@BillRM,

Dammit, Bill, I'm trying to get Bill to answer that!

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@OCCOM BILL,

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Nonsense. They will inevitably collide with the irregular surface of the moon as well, which will cause some of them to change directions and collide with each other, and there is no need for any one collision to send anything in "opposite directions." Another silly attempt to divert attention from the obvious.

I don't think the power from the engine is going to be enough to move a large amount dust laterally and then cause it to go higher than the engine. Much of the energy is lost in the lateral movement and the collision. The amount of dust that might possibly go high enough to land on the pad won't be visible in the photo. There clearly isn't much in the photo to cause dust to go up. There are not valleys and hills. There are minor changes in the surface.

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@DrewDad,

DrewDad wrote:

Dammit, Bill, I'm trying to get Bill to answer that!

No, you're trying to divert attention from the fact that your plate example isn't applicable here.

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@parados,

parados wrote:

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Nonsense. They will inevitably collide with the irregular surface of the moon as well, which will cause some of them to change directions and collide with each other, and there is no need for any one collision to send anything in "opposite directions." Another silly attempt to divert attention from the obvious.

I don't think the power from the engine is going to be enough to move a large amount dust laterally and then cause it to go higher than the engine. Much of the energy is lost in the lateral movement and the collision. The amount of dust that might possibly go high enough to land on the pad won't be visible in the photo. There clearly isn't much in the photo to cause dust to go up. There are not valleys and hills. There are minor changes in the surface.

No need to go higher than the engine... just a couple inches to get in that saucer-like foot... but seemingly none did.

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@OCCOM BILL,

Silly person collide in the drop by the dust particle will not change the time to surface one little bit as they will all be falling at the same rate and any collide will not effect that time.

Any more then if you drop two hammers side by side and they touch on going down with some sideward force.

It would effect the landing location somewhat but not the time to surface and once they land they are not going anywhere else.

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@OCCOM BILL,

Look again:

http://sites.google.com/a/pressatgoogle.com/mooningoogleearth/_/rsrc/1247818458578/screenshots-and-media/Apollo11-LunarModule,zoom.jpg

It would be uncanny for NO particles to find their way onto that foot.

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@DrewDad,

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Dammit, Bill, I'm trying to get Bill to answer that!

You and I both know he does not know even simple physics or how a vacuum will result in dust not behaving as it does on earth.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

Silly person collide in the drop by the dust particle will not change the time to surface one little bit as they will all be falling at the same rate and any collide will not effect that time.

Any more then if you drop two hammers side by side and they touch on going down with some sideward force.

It would effect the landing location somewhat but not the time to surface and once they land they are not going anywhere else.

You babbling idiot; no one here is talking about particles colliding on their way down... or is unfamiliar with Newton. Not one of you has the intellectual honesty to admit surprise that no debris is visible on that foot? Rolling Eyes

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@OCCOM BILL,

Sorry Bill but you are still thinking in earth terms not how things behave in a vacuum.

Dust is not going to spread in the way it does on earth.

On earth it would be surprising not to have dust on the pad not on the moon however.

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@OCCOM BILL,

Bill, if you use a sandblaster, do you end up with sand on the metal that you're scouring?

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

Sorry Bill but you are still thinking in earth terms not how things behave in a vacuum.

Dust is not going to spread in the way it does on earth.

On earth it would be surprising not to have dust on the pad not on the moon however.

Wrong, moron. Every action will have a reaction on the moon as well and "earth terms" need not apply. The biggest obstacle here is the vacuum between your ears, followed closely by Parados’ and DrewDad’s shared aversion to conceding even the smallest points, no matter how obvious.

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@DrewDad,

DrewDad wrote:

Bill, if you use a sandblaster, do you end up with sand on the metal that you're scouring?

Trolling for a gotcha moment is a sorry excuse for argument as well. Retract the idiocy about nothing will travel up, or don't, but don't think you're distracting anyone with your trolling distractions. That nonsense is still visible for all to see.

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@OCCOM BILL,

No significant amount of debris will travel up, because there is nothing to cause it to go upwards.

If you hovered for a long time in the same place, and made a crater, then the crater would act like a thrust reverser and blow gas and debris upward, but the craft never hovered. In fact, I don't believe it even descended vertically; it always had a sideways vector.

I'm sorry that you seem unable to grasp this concept.

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@OCCOM BILL,

This from a man who does not know simple physics.

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@DrewDad,

DrewDad wrote:

No significant amount of debris will travel up, because there is nothing to cause it to go upwards.

If you hovered for a long time in the same place, and made a crater, then the crater would act like a thrust reverser and blow gas and debris upward, but the craft never hovered. In fact, I don't believe it even descended vertically.

I'm sorry that you seem unable to grasp this concept.

You're sorry all right. Sorry you didn't include the word "significant" in your original statement from specious authority. And sorry you lack the integrity to just admit it rather than dancing for pages on end. Boring, and I’ve got another appointment anyway.

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@OCCOM BILL,

Go get a weed blower. Take it to the beach. Drop a bunch of rocks around. Now blow the weed blower straight down into the sand. How close to the ground do you have to be before any of it blows back in your face?

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@OCCOM BILL,

I should add that if any debris gains vertical height, it will also have a significant horizontal vector, so it won't land on the feet of the vehicle.

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@DrewDad,

DrewDad come on you can not win with anyone who would look for dust particles or the lack of same on a lander foot pad and think one way or another that would be a reason to question one of the most documented event in human history.

Let see there are 18 crew members that was on the moon journeys just to start with and all of them would have to keep silent for forty plus years!!!!!

Then we add all the direct support staff of a few thousands that also would need to be in on the plot and somehow keep silent for forty plus years.

Then we add all the scientists from around the world who look at the rocks and the other data from the moon journeys and would had seen problem in fake data of one kind or another but they all kept silent for some strange reason for forty plus years

Then we have the USSR that tightly monitor our space program beginning with tracking ships off our coast and who would had known of any faking and yet did not announce this to the world for forty plus years.

Oh I forgot all the people that did all that faking a cast of thousands in and of itself.

But all that is of no matter because Bill Occom is of the opinion that there should be dust on the landing pads!!!!!!!!

The only conclusion that one can come to is that Bill Occom is not sane along with the other moon landings deniers.

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