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The use of "Rather" at the beginning of a sentence

 
 
Reply Fri 25 Jun, 2010 05:13 am
Son says, "It's heartening to see them making up."

Father responded,"Rather, I am truly heartened to hear that they have become a more loving couple."

Is the use of 'Rather' correct in the above sentence?

Thanks in advance.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Fri 25 Jun, 2010 05:21 am
I'm not sure exactly what context the quote comes from. I suspect it's using it as an early 20th century upper-class British stereotype slang, as an intensifier meaning something like, "Yes, that's very true", more enthusiastic agreement than just a simple "Yes."

Like answering"It's very hot today" with just "Rather". It would be said with some emphasis.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Fri 25 Jun, 2010 05:29 am
from dictionary.com:

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–interjection
8. Chiefly British . emphatically yes; assuredly; without doubt: Is the book worth reading?Rather!
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PUNKEY
 
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Reply Fri 25 Jun, 2010 05:30 am
In this sentence, I believe Rather means

Besides that view of it . . .

or

Instead of that, . . .
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Fri 25 Jun, 2010 05:32 am
re Punkey, problem with that view is that Father is AGREEING with the original statement.
ACB
 
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Reply Fri 25 Jun, 2010 05:53 am
@tanguatlay,
"Rather" is correct here, but the comma after it should be replaced with a dash, a full stop, or (best of all) an exclamation mark. Note that in this sense "rather" is pronounced with the emphasis on the second syllable, whereas in other senses (e.g. "it's rather cold", "I'd rather stay here") the first syllable is emphasised.
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ACB
 
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Reply Fri 25 Jun, 2010 05:58 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:

I'm not sure exactly what context the quote comes from. I suspect it's using it as an early 20th century upper-class British stereotype slang, as an intensifier meaning something like, "Yes, that's very true", more enthusiastic agreement than just a simple "Yes."

Like answering"It's very hot today" with just "Rather". It would be said with some emphasis.

I agree, except that it is not exclusively upper-class. It is slightly old-fashioned, although it is still heard occasionally here in Britain.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Fri 25 Jun, 2010 10:23 am
re ACB: you're the Brit, I'm the rude Colonial, I'll go along with you as to its currency. Over here, to the extent anyone knows about it, it's probably seen as something Bertie Wooster would say, but not Jeeves,
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GoshisDead
 
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Reply Fri 25 Jun, 2010 10:32 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:

re Punkey, problem with that view is that Father is AGREEING with the original statement.


Emphasis above another's statemnt can be agreement with subject matter but disagreement on the degree of enthusiam that the father thought should have been expressed by the sun. The father may have said, quite if it were simple agreement. agreement comes in several subtle forms
simple agreement - Yup, uhuh, yes, i agree, quite
one up agreement - rather, you know it
i never saw it that way but now I agree - totally, hey yeah, oh yeah I see
i'm glad someone agrees with me agreement - right on
reluctant agreement - I guess, seems so

these can be switched around as well using tone, volume, breath, pitch, and placement.
so really in our rather example whether it was simple agreement or one up agreement one would have to listen to the tone and cadence of the sentence.
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JTT
 
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Reply Fri 25 Jun, 2010 01:08 pm
@MontereyJack,
Son says, "It's heartening to see them making up."

Father responded,"Rather, I am truly heartened to hear that they have become a more loving couple."


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re Punkey, problem with that view is that Father is AGREEING with the original statement.


Not necessarily, MJ. The father may be saying that he is heartened not by just another "make up" but by the fact that they have really become more loving.

tanguatlay
 
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Reply Fri 25 Jun, 2010 01:33 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:

Son says, "It's heartening to see them making up."

Father responded,"Rather, I am truly heartened to hear that they have become a more loving couple."

Quote:
re Punkey, problem with that view is that Father is AGREEING with the original statement.


Not necessarily, MJ. The father may be saying that he is heartened not by just another "make up" but by the fact that they have really become more loving.
Hi JTT

Thanks for your comment.

Is the use of "Rather" correct?
JTT
 
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Reply Fri 25 Jun, 2010 02:06 pm
@tanguatlay,
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Hi JTT

Thanks for your comment.

Is the use of "Rather" correct?


I was going to comment on your original question but I thought it was moot, Ms Tan.

Yes, it's fine. I believe that this would be a usage found in all dialects of English. It's kind of like a "more [than that]",

Father responded,"More [than that], I am truly heartened to hear that they have become a more loving couple."

Father responded,"I am truly heartened to hear that, rather than just making up again, they have become a more loving couple."


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JTT
 
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Reply Fri 25 Jun, 2010 02:14 pm
I can't understand Rover's comment, Ms Tan. It's not at all stilted. Perhaps, the lack of a greater context caused such a response.
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stevecook172001
 
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Reply Fri 25 Jun, 2010 04:29 pm
@tanguatlay,
tanguatlay wrote:

Son says, "It's heartening to see them making up."

Father responded,"Rather, I am truly heartened to hear that they have become a more loving couple."

Is the use of 'Rather' correct in the above sentence?

Thanks in advance.


It is an abreviation of the form, "I rather agree". The use of the word "rather" is used as an emphasis to the agrement.

The trouble is, most people have forgotton the original form and so it has become a bit meaningless
stevecook172001
 
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Reply Fri 25 Jun, 2010 04:37 pm
@stevecook172001,
I would guess, it's an abreviation of the form, "I rather agree". The use of the word "rather" is used as an emphasis to the agrement.

The trouble is, most people have forgotton the original form and so it has become a bit meaningless
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PUNKEY
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jun, 2010 08:16 am
Son says, "It's heartening to see them making up."

Father responded,"Rather, I am truly heartened to hear that they have become a more loving couple."

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My dictionary defines 'rather' as a British Colloq. meaning 'certainly, assuredly.'

But making up does not = becoming a more loving couple so I still think it means 'preferably.'

Smile


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