mark noble
 
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Tue 23 Jul, 2013 09:15 pm
@Logicus,
Read the entire thread Log.
We've kinda covered Everything...........
and nothing:)
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Tue 23 Jul, 2013 09:20 pm
@Logicus,
OK lets analyse it then...

1 - The concept of nothingness exists.
2 - The concept of nothing reports the absence of something.
3 - The concept of nothingness implies something did exist.
4 - The concept of nothingness cannot report an absolute timeless permanent absence without loosing its meaning.
5 - Finally, the concept of nothing seams to "cannibalize" itself...nothingness is nothing...therefore there is no nothingness.

Nothingness has a common sense daily practical use like stating there is nothing in the freezer although we know there is air in the freezer n the freezer itself is there...when we stretch a word that was meant to be used in relative terms the word meaning breaks down...a good way of getting good concepts apart from bad concepts goes by pushing the limit of the implicit logic in the concept n see if it holds or breaks.
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Logicus
 
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Tue 23 Jul, 2013 09:24 pm
@mark noble,
I know. Just heard this from my father. Everything that exists has an opposite. Matter and anti-matter. So the opposite of something is nothing. And the number zero represents nothing.
cicerone imposter
 
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Tue 23 Jul, 2013 09:27 pm
@Logicus,
But zero is needed in math, so it's something.
mark noble
 
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Tue 23 Jul, 2013 09:27 pm
@Logicus,
What is the opposite of camel?
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Tue 23 Jul, 2013 09:32 pm
@Logicus,
The number zero represents a balance between positive and negative numbers...similarly in theoretical physics is said the total energy of the universe is zero, but then again they report a relation between negative energy and positive energy...don't even ask me about what is "negative energy"...I know some stuff but I am not a physicist.
The point being made is zero is not nothing zero is a balancing number that once again wouldn't make sense without every other number out there...all numbers go back to one.

Figuratively speaking the best description for a "nothingness" sort of idea is perfect equilibrium/balance between opposing forces.
Logicus
 
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Tue 23 Jul, 2013 09:35 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Zero represents nothingness.
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Logicus
 
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Tue 23 Jul, 2013 09:35 pm
@mark noble,
A camel is matter. The opposite of matter is anti-matter.
Logicus
 
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Tue 23 Jul, 2013 09:37 pm
Another point is that when matter and anti-matter are combined, it creates a state of nothingness. This source is from my father, and he was a nuclear physicist, so I'm taking his word on this.
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Tue 23 Jul, 2013 09:38 pm
@mark noble,
A Cheetah ! Wink
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mark noble
 
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Tue 23 Jul, 2013 09:38 pm
@Logicus,
Something is matter = ?
mark noble
 
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Tue 23 Jul, 2013 09:40 pm
@Logicus,
When did he combine these?
Where did he get the antimatter?
Logicus
 
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Tue 23 Jul, 2013 09:40 pm
@mark noble,
Exactly. you're giving specific examples of one thing. Matter.
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Tue 23 Jul, 2013 09:42 pm
@Logicus,
Figuratively speaking your father is right, but I guarantee you is not nothingness...balance of energies doesn't by far equate with nothingness...you have all sorts of events going on there...if it was really nothingness the all Universe with a zero energy sum would vanish out of existence...
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mark noble
 
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Tue 23 Jul, 2013 09:43 pm
@Logicus,
So the opposite to 'something' (matter) is not 'nothing', it is antimatter - which is something.
Logicus
 
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Tue 23 Jul, 2013 09:45 pm
@mark noble,
No. Matter and anti-matter are opposites. Something and nothing are opposites.
mark noble
 
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Tue 23 Jul, 2013 09:46 pm
@Logicus,
Then a camel is not something?
Logicus
 
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Tue 23 Jul, 2013 09:48 pm
@mark noble,
It is a remote relationship. A camel is closer to the genre of matter.
cicerone imposter
 
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Tue 23 Jul, 2013 09:49 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
Also, isn't that how computers are programmed?
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Tue 23 Jul, 2013 09:50 pm
@Logicus,
It could be argued the opposite of matter is energy n the opposite of space is time...
But there is one exception to the opposites rule...Everything has no opposite as it includes the relative balances of forces, all the symmetric oppositions with all the dynamics within, and all the dimensions you can think off...
Everything is pretty much indestructible. From something you will always get something.
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