DOES NOTHING EXIST???

@Ionus,

Hi lonus,
But there is no absence of something. In between particles? Why do you assume there is an in-betweenness of elemental particles, when they are only theoretical? In between galaxies? Particles, photons, in the least. I believe there is only one particle in various states of decay, and in all available locations - But that is another thread.

"I'm searching for 'Nothing'", The scientist sighed.
"In order to prove it exists"
'What have you found, in your search', I replied.
"NOTHING"!
Yet, still... he persists.

Have a great day lonus.
Mark...

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@mark noble,

You are not arguing nothing can not exist, you are arguing that you can stretch something to cover everywhere, even where there is nothing.

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Assuming the Universe exists, even if its only inside our mind.
As the Universe exists, it would be a lie to say that nothing exists.
If we imagine being beyond the perimeters of the universe, in an infinty of void, so far away that the universe is just a speck or even undetectable, it would still be a lie to say that nothing exists, even though we would be in a vast void of nothingness.
The question," does nothing exist", is a koan, an unanswerable question, as we can take the word "nothing" in its corporeal sense as in "no thing" and in its incorporeal sense as in nothingness, The very interpretation of the word "nothing" has two opposite definations.
The correct question should be either"does anything exist" or "does nothingness exist".

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[This] and [~This] can describe everything we see, and we can replace "this" with something (not sure about "everything" right now). So algorithmically we should be able to get to nothing, or [~This], by eventually cross comparing everything (loosely) that exists...

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@ABYA,

ABYA wrote:

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Assuming the Universe exists, even if its only inside our mind.

the Universe does exist and has nothing to do with being " inside the mind "

if the Universe is only inside the mind then try to shut it out completely or change our galaxy , the milky way , into what you want it to be

can't be done

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As the Universe exists, it would be a lie to say that nothing exists.

erroneous

for where in the Universe does nothing exist ?

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If we imagine being beyond the perimeters of the universe, in an infinty of void, so far away that the universe is just a speck or even undetectable, it would still be a lie to say that nothing exists, even though we would be in a vast void of nothingness.

prove it

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The question," does nothing exist", is a koan, an unanswerable question, as we can take the word "nothing" in its corporeal sense as in "no thing" and in its incorporeal sense as in nothingness, The very interpretation of the word "nothing" has two opposite definations.

its not an unanswerable question at all really

nothing has the opposite qualities of something

nothing has no dimension , space , length , breadth and movement

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The correct question should be either"does anything exist" or "does nothingness exist".

disagree

the threads question is fine

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@A Lyn Fei,

A Lyn Fei wrote:

On the abstract, I'd say the only way that something could be derived from nothing- and this is the writer in me speaking, of course- is if the human brain actually was able to manifest something from its imagination. A Lyn

Hi A Lyn,
But you've said it yourself - It origiated from a brain - without which it would never have done so. A brain being present illiminates it having arisen from nothing, don't you think?
xxx
Mark...

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@mark noble,

mark noble wrote:

A Lyn Fei wrote:

On the abstract, I'd say the only way that something could be derived from nothing- and this is the writer in me speaking, of course- is if the human brain actually was able to manifest something from its imagination. A Lyn

Hi A Lyn,
But you've said it yourself - It origiated from a brain - without which it would never have done so. A brain being present illiminates it having arisen from nothing, don't you think?
xxx
Mark...

from imagination only

this does not translate into reality

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@north,

north wrote:

ABYA wrote:

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Assuming the Universe exists, even if its only inside our mind.

the Universe does exist and has nothing to do with being " inside the mind "

Maybe, but I don't know of a way to prove that theres anything outside the mind, apart from light.
Your looking at your monitor at this moment and your seeing it as though its outside of you, but whats really happening. Light is hitting your retina, causing impulses to travel through your optic nerves into your brain, where these impulses are converted into an image, that image is in your mind.
The same can be said of all our senses

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@north,

north wrote:

from imagination only

this does not translate into reality

Hi North,
The imagination does not exist without a physical brain being present.
Best wishes.
Mark...

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@mark noble,

mark noble wrote:

A Lyn Fei wrote:

On the abstract, I'd say the only way that something could be derived from nothing- and this is the writer in me speaking, of course- is if the human brain actually was able to manifest something from its imagination. A Lyn

Hi A Lyn,
But you've said it yourself - It origiated from a brain - without which it would never have done so. A brain being present illiminates it having arisen from nothing, don't you think?
xxx
Mark...

Rarely, rarely do footsteps fall
Upon the ground but not at all
They step on air
And climb the clouds
They step upon the heads of Gods

It is hard to think of imagination corporeally. But, you are right. I concede the imagination is the result mostly of potassium and sodium exchanging in the brain. When I am very tired I begin to hallucinate. Once, while lying in bed, I began to speak of imagination as "neural fireworks". Irrelevant, relevant. I am beginning to have them now.

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@A Lyn Fei,

Hi A Lyn,
"Neural Fireworks", Brilliant! Now we need only establish what, if any, sentience lights their fuse.
Great to have you on board!
xxx
Mark...

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I've seen the Neverending Story.
oh yes,
nothing exist.
and it is coming....
THE NOTHING IS COMING!
THE NOTHING IS COMING!
dec 21,2012
scary.. isn't tit lol wait.....it is scary, my god save us all.

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@Briteone,

Briteone wrote:

I've seen the Neverending Story.
oh yes,
nothing exist.
and it is coming....
THE NOTHING IS COMING!
THE NOTHING IS COMING!
dec 21,2012
scary.. isn't tit lol wait.....it is scary, my god save us all.

I've seen star trek, the movie.
Don't worry my friend, life goes on way after 2012.

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@ABYA,

Hi Abya,
The "Doctor" went all the way to the end of the universe - Then he took to the stage and they gave us this numpty. What a comedown!!!

Best wishes.
Mark...

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Its so obvious that by its own definition Nothing is nothing, that I find it hard to someone to disagree...
Void is space, therefore something...IT HAS THE PROPERTY OF ALLOWING MOVEMENT !!! ...how can it be compared with pure blank straight nothingness ??????????

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@Fil Albuquerque,

FA: Its so obvious that by its own definition Nothing is nothing, that I find it hard to someone to disagree...

(nothing)=(nothing), is a contradiction.
(some x: x=(nothing)) is a contradiction.
(some F: F(nothing)), is a contradiction.

Nothing does not exist.

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@Owen phil,

Hi Owen!

Absolutely!

Kind regards.
Mark...

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@Owen phil,

Owen phil wrote:

FA: Its so obvious that by its own definition Nothing is nothing, that I find it hard to someone to disagree...

(nothing)=(nothing), is a contradiction.
(some x: x=(nothing)) is a contradiction.
(some F: F(nothing)), is a contradiction.

Nothing does not exist.

You get it wrong ! But anyway its technically my fault...
That was exactly what I meant with the sentence...
...If nothing is nothing, then nothing cannot be !!! (of course )

Given such is True one may well ask what is it that we address when we mention nothing as a word...

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@Fil Albuquerque,

Hi Filipe!

The absence of everything.

Have a great day.
Mark...

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@mark noble,

mark noble wrote:

Hi Filipe!

The absence of everything.

Have a great day.
Mark...

Hi Mark, great to see you around !
Where is this absence ?

Best Regards>FILIPE DE ALBUQUERQUE

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