Cyracuz
 
  1  
Thu 2 Jun, 2011 05:51 pm
@guigus,
No biggie. We were talking about nothing. Cool
Just wasted words.
north
 
  1  
Thu 2 Jun, 2011 06:13 pm
@Cyracuz,
Cyracuz wrote:

No biggie. We were talking about nothing. Cool
Just wasted words.


in a way because other than the practicle nothing , accounting and the possession of something or not

nothing in the discussion of the Universe is wasted words and discussion , really

Cyracuz
 
  1  
Thu 2 Jun, 2011 06:37 pm
@north,
Well, enjoy your conversation about nothing then. Wink
north
 
  1  
Thu 2 Jun, 2011 07:52 pm
@Cyracuz,
Cyracuz wrote:

Well, enjoy your conversation about nothing then. Wink


kind of boring really , but I go there because it seems important to many , through the yrs I have done this so many times and for the most part , many misunderstandings about this threads topic
Cyracuz
 
  1  
Fri 3 Jun, 2011 05:24 am
@north,
Yes, many misunderstandings. As I said, I am content with the simple understanding of "nothing". It is merely a word that means "no quantity of the previously specified object". But "nothing" without any specification of what the word applies to in any particular context is just meaningless.
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guigus
 
  1  
Fri 3 Jun, 2011 06:34 am
@Cyracuz,
Cyracuz wrote:

No biggie. We were talking about nothing. Cool
Just wasted words.


In your case, I must agree. When you talk about nothing, you are unable to talk about anything else. Then, in your case, it must be a waste of words. Unfortunately, this makes your talk about anything else also a waste of words.

What you don't realize is that nothing is the only way by which being transcends itself, which condemns you to never transcend yourself, as everybody here has been witnessing so far.
Cyracuz
 
  1  
Fri 3 Jun, 2011 06:37 am
@guigus,
Guigus, nothing you say in an attempt to insult me has any effect whatsoever. It is because you have demonstrated so effectively that you are a self absorbed idiot, and so I just don't take you seriously anymore. So bring it on. It's quite entertaining actually.
guigus
 
  1  
Fri 3 Jun, 2011 06:38 am
@Cyracuz,
Cyracuz wrote:

Guigus, nothing you say in an attempt to insult me has any effect whatsoever. It is because you have demonstrated so effectively that you are a self absorbed idiot, and so I just don't take you seriously anymore. So bring it on. It's quite entertaining actually.


Sorry, but I didn't offend you: I just described your attitude so far, as well as its consequences.

It would be much more productive if you stopped fighting and insulting and became a little more "self-absorbed" for a change.

By the way, you never took me seriously, so never mind.
guigus
 
  1  
Fri 3 Jun, 2011 06:43 am
@north,
Nothing is just everything, despite being its negation: it is the way by which being negates itself so it can change.

Which explains why all simplistic, naive conceptions of nothing result in a static, boring world---just like some people.
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guigus
 
  1  
Fri 3 Jun, 2011 06:49 am
@Cyracuz,
Cyracuz wrote:

Well, enjoy your conversation about nothing then. Wink


The only way we can enjoy such a conversation is by realizing it is a conversation about everything. So you are missing a lot with your attitude, no matter how much you smile.
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Cyracuz
 
  1  
Fri 3 Jun, 2011 06:50 am
@guigus,
You do seem oblivious to the fact that concepts need their relations in order to have any meaning.
"What's on the tv?"
"Nothing"
"Oh, good, I've been wanting to catch the news all day, and if nothing's on, that means everything's on, so the news must be on..."
How does that compute when you turn on the tv and there is no broadcast? The point you continuously ignore is that your rambling has no relevance to reality.
guigus
 
  1  
Fri 3 Jun, 2011 06:51 am
@north,
north wrote:

Cyracuz wrote:

Well, enjoy your conversation about nothing then. Wink


kind of boring really , but I go there because it seems important to many , through the yrs I have done this so many times and for the most part , many misunderstandings about this threads topic


It remains boring until you realize what nothing... is.
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guigus
 
  1  
Fri 3 Jun, 2011 06:55 am
@Cyracuz,
Cyracuz wrote:

You do seem oblivious to the fact that concepts need their relations in order to have any meaning.
"What's on the tv?"
"Nothing"
"Oh, good, I've been wanting to catch the news all day, and if nothing's on, that means everything's on, so the news must be on..."
How does that compute when you turn on the tv and there is no broadcast? The point you continuously ignore is that your rambling has no relevance to reality.


You remain incapable of understanding that nothing is ambiguous: it is the way being negates itself, which it could only be by being both a being and a non-being (it still is the same "nothing" you are talking about). You must get your mind out of jail ant accept this contradiction in the heart of nothing (and of being), or you will simply miss what I am saying.
Cyracuz
 
  1  
Fri 3 Jun, 2011 06:57 am
@guigus,
I get what you are saying. But you are making something simple much more complicated than it is, and looking for profound secrets where there are none. In a more modern slang; you're full of ****.
guigus
 
  1  
Fri 3 Jun, 2011 07:02 am
@Cyracuz,
Cyracuz wrote:

I get what you are saying. But you are making something simple much more complicated than it is, and looking for profound secrets where there are none. In a more modern slang; you're full of ****.


It is your simplicity that is complicated, leading to an endless collection of insoluble paradoxes, which is what I call ****. And don't fool yourself: you do not understand what I am saying: when I say nothing is a being, you hear me saying that nothing is no longer a non-being, as if it could not be both---because your mind is locked in the nineteenth century.
Cyracuz
 
  1  
Fri 3 Jun, 2011 07:04 am
@guigus,
You presume to know all this stuff about me. It's rather funny. What else do you know?
guigus
 
  1  
Fri 3 Jun, 2011 07:11 am
@Cyracuz,
Cyracuz wrote:

You presume to know all this stuff about me. It's rather funny. What else do you know?


Do you really believe you can discuss philosophy for hours without letting the people you are discussing with to know how you think? Sorry, but what kind of idiot are you?

(So you thought you had found the perfect place to hide? Sorry to disappoint you.)
Cyracuz
 
  1  
Fri 3 Jun, 2011 08:54 am
@guigus,
Like I said, I am guigus proof. No need to apologize.
And if you really did know how I think we would not be having this argument. But I'm having fun pressing your buttons, so keep it coming.
ozziemozzie
 
  1  
Sat 4 Jun, 2011 03:51 am
@mark noble,
If a "thing" exists, then a "no thing" must also exist.
Ah, but probably only in the mind....
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MKov
 
  1  
Sat 4 Jun, 2011 04:58 am
@mark noble,
If nothing exists, then we are nothing.
 

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