DOES NOTHING EXIST???

Heat, and all energy is lost... Cold is never gained, but heat is lost...and yes, energy must be forcefully removed to bring objects below the temperature of their surrounding... But to change the state of matter, water, for example, from a solid to a liquid, a great deal of energy must be added, and to make it steam much more still energy must be added, and it is all quickly given up to the surroundings.

Yes I was expecting Mark Noble remark...a small confusion...its energy and not "cold" who moves...although the effect gives the impression that cold moves and propagates...

Cowect

Hi Guys!

Do you not perceive 'cold' and 'heat' to be forms of energy then?

They are given states. And isn't everything a form of energy?

What is not a form of energy?

Cheers Guys!
Be well.
Mark...

I think what the people here are trying to say to you is technicality. What you said about the cold rod is true, but it was just the way you worded it. Similar to this one
"Do you not perceive 'cold' and 'heat' to be forms of energy then?"
I think it would be more appropriate to say
"Do you not perceive forms of energy as 'cold' and 'heat' then?"
since what you are actually perceiving is how much agitation there is within the atoms ("energy") and we perceive the amount of energy through our receptors and is translated into words as 'hot' or 'less hot' aka cold. It's sort of like saying, "Do you not perceive NaCl to be forms of 'salty' or 'not salty'." cold, hot, salty are words to describe the way the world is that comes through our senses. Though you may still be able to argue that what you said was grammatically and contextually correct perhaps... Idk, just trying to understand your point and their point. The dispute is relevant if we are talking about say bioethics and stipulation is critical.... but in this case i really don't think anyone cares.

I agree with your quote if I agree with string theory, unfortunately I did not study that enough to say anything about "isn't everything a form of energy"

I'd say an absence of energy is not a form of energy, is it not?
It is a variation of, is absence of "stuff" called a void, or is there actually a thing called "void".

No... Heat is energy, and cold is the absence of energy.... Consider that when you add heat to something you are causing the molecules to speed up...

correct...

What is not a form of energy?

nothing

are you saying that
a "nothing" is not a form of energy, or
nothing is not a form of energy, meaning, everything is a form of energy (taking out the double negative of 'nothing' and 'not'.

I havn' t read this thread, except for the first page, so I might merely repeat someone else's thesis, but here goes: I think that only abstract notions exist as unchanging absolute "beings". All "concrete" or empirically experienced phenomena are continuously changing, becoming (growing into or decaying into) something else. And in this condition both exist and do not exist (or cease to exist) at the same time. So nothing JUST exists.

Nothing exists! There is only everything!

First of all, can something exist? Existance in first place is very controversial. In case we can define existance though, nothing would be the absence of existing, so basically no.

Hi, Cyracuz.
I lost three friends in the last months. A real massacre. But I take comfort in the perspective that they have not just become "nothing"; they are also now "everything." Of course this has always been the case--for them and for you and me, but ego deprives us of that realization. Remember the phrase in the Heart Sutra: "form is emptiness and emptiness is form"? To me this is almost like saying "something is nothing and nothing is something", AND "everything is nothing and nothing is everything". Is this implied in your last post?

Hi JL
I guess my statement is so vague that it could be said to imply that. However, I would not claim that intent. To me it appears more like a riddle. Maybe not even a very good one.

I am sad to hear that you lost so many friends in such a short time, and I share your perspective that those who have passed away are not nothing. I don't think it's possible for anything to truly end, only change.

Scientists have been stated as saying humans don't know where 90% of the universe is. Nothing could quite possibly be there. However, can nothing exist? Surely nothing is itself a definition of lack of something.

why ?



where ?



of course

My understanding is that nothing can be a result of something like x-x = 0. No matter what the magnitude of x is, the result is zero (nothing). That nothing, however, is really something in the form of rigidity or stability. I am refering to the opposing forces that everything about us is constructed from the atom to the cosmos, not the usual mathematical expression of spending my only dollar ($1-$1=0). Space is used to be considered empty or void, but Tesla says it is denser than matter because light being a wave travels faster in space that in the atmosphere. Is this ok? I am just thinking aloud if you don't mind. Thanks.

how did they find the other 10%? ...

Cyracuz, I lost two more friend since my last post. It's really a function of MY age.