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Is Obama a puppet?

 
 
Reply Sat 1 May, 2010 04:11 am
Obama, the man for 'Change'. so why has nothing changed and the wealth gap just keeps increasing?
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xris
 
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Reply Sat 1 May, 2010 04:12 am
@Ali phil,
Ali;158797 wrote:
Obama, the man for 'Change'. so why has nothing changed and the wealth gap just keeps increasing?
Bit premature and have you considered the opposition to his reforms ?
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kennethamy
 
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Reply Sat 1 May, 2010 04:25 am
@Ali phil,
Ali;158797 wrote:
Obama, the man for 'Change'. so why has nothing changed and the wealth gap just keeps increasing?


A lot has changed. The United States has tripled its debt since Obama was inaugurated, and it is much closer to becoming like Greece. It is not a truism that all change is for the better, you know.
xris
 
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Reply Sat 1 May, 2010 04:30 am
@kennethamy,
kennethamy;158809 wrote:
A lot has changed. The United States has tripled its debt since Obama was inaugurated, and it is much closer to becoming like Greece. It is not a truism that all change is for the better, you know.

You are doing what has become expected of you ,your ignoring the reasons why the debt has increased , the historic reasons. If it had decreased you would have said it was because of the last administrations policies..Spin is a wonderful invention.
HexHammer
 
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Reply Sat 1 May, 2010 05:02 am
@Ali phil,
Ali;158797 wrote:
Obama, the man for 'Change'. so why has nothing changed and the wealth gap just keeps increasing?
Because he has to fight a senate, he heired a huge debt from GW Bush.
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kennethamy
 
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Reply Sat 1 May, 2010 09:27 am
@xris,
xris;158814 wrote:
You are doing what has become expected of you ,your ignoring the reasons why the debt has increased , the historic reasons. If it had decreased you would have said it was because of the last administrations policies..Spin is a wonderful invention.


Hmm. I don't think that taking on the new Health-Care bill was due to the Bush administration? Nor was TARP.

Anyway, had it decreased I would have been happy. But it tripled.
xris
 
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Reply Sat 1 May, 2010 09:37 am
@kennethamy,
kennethamy;158965 wrote:
Hmm. I don't think that taking on the new Health-Care bill was due to the Bush administration? Nor was TARP.

Anyway, had it decreased I would have been happy. But it tripled.

I dont think you can blame health care reforms, just yet.
kennethamy
 
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Reply Sat 1 May, 2010 09:50 am
@xris,
xris;158972 wrote:
I dont think you can blame health care reforms, just yet.


Oh, that's coming up. Don't fret. Greece, move over.
jeeprs
 
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Reply Sat 1 May, 2010 09:57 am
@Ali phil,
Arecent international poll shows that the US image abroad has improved considerably under Obama. My impression from Australia is that Obama really has changed things a great deal, considering the resistance he is facing. (By the way, why do Americans think the right to bear arms is sacrosanct, but guaranteed access to medical care is a socialist plot?) He is attempting to be inclusive rather than confrontational and to enact the mandate which he was elected to carry out. The level of public debt in the US is indeed staggering, but it is following a trajectory that commenced under the previous Presidency, and was massively increased by the Sept 08 financial catastrophe, which did not happen under his watch.

He has already started the arduous task of revising regulation of the financial markets, and again is being fought tooth and nail by business interests; the only thing going against them is that even many Republicans agree that Wall Street has to be reigned in.

But as for closing the gap between the rich and poor, I don't think that is conceivable in today's America. You can't introduce universal health care without being called a socialist, let alone tax the wealthy. That would be communism. But I don't know how the deficit is ever going to be addressed without tax hikes.
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xris
 
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Reply Sat 1 May, 2010 10:01 am
@kennethamy,
kennethamy;158977 wrote:
Oh, that's coming up. Don't fret. Greece, move over.
By all accounts the American economy has improved over the last three months. I have this awful feeling you would prefer for the country to fail so you could tell us, you told us so.
kennethamy
 
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Reply Sat 1 May, 2010 10:15 am
@xris,
xris;158981 wrote:
By all accounts the American economy has improved over the last three months. I have this awful feeling you would prefer for the country to fail so you could tell us, you told us so.


Oh it did. It had nowhere to go but up.

It would be best for you not to trust your feelings, awful or not. Certainly, not this one.
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Khethil
 
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Reply Sat 1 May, 2010 10:16 am
@Ali phil,
Ali;158797 wrote:
Obama, the man for 'Change'. so why has nothing changed and the wealth gap just keeps increasing?


Sure; though not so much of a puppet but perchance the person who, after getting into office and finally *realizing* the forces at work, probably said, "Oh crap!".

Were you under the impression he was going to be the fix for this?

No single person, no single entity can make the changes he promised he'd be the agent for during his election campaigning. There were times during the campaign process where I listened and winced; knowing that the behemoths he'd be up against wouldn't yield to him or any other single entity. Personally, I took it all in the context of "This is what politicians say when they want to get elected", in his case from the liberal perspective. But I fear that most americans - being the insightful, intelligent bunch we are - swallowed it whole hog, as if Merlin had returned to stamp out environmental abuse, wealth disparities, health care inequities and so on.

I do feel like he is (and will remain being) the person who got everyone's hopes up. Many will be dashed but some will be realized. We watch too many movies where a single hero comes to rescue us all. The forces at work that perpetuate these kinds of problems are well entrenched and a ubiquitous and permanent part of the american culture.

Yep, they may change, and he may be an integral part of it. But nothing will come fast, easy, cheap and convenient. It's meet that we not saddle him for being human.

Just my thoughts.
Jebediah
 
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Reply Sat 1 May, 2010 11:02 am
@Ali phil,
On the one hand, we can't really judge how good a job someone has done until we have some historical perspective. On the other hand, we have to judge them by this November when our vote will decide whether it will be easier or harder for him to pass his proposed laws through congress. It's an interesting contradiction. More annoying than interesting really.
xris
 
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Reply Sat 1 May, 2010 11:13 am
@Khethil,
Khethil;158990 wrote:
Sure; though not so much of a puppet but perchance the person who, after getting into office and finally *realizing* the forces at work, probably said, "Oh crap!".

Were you under the impression he was going to be the fix for this?

No single person, no single entity can make the changes he promised he'd be the agent for during his election campaigning. There were times during the campaign process where I listened and winced; knowing that the behemoths he'd be up against wouldn't yield to him or any other single entity. Personally, I took it all in the context of "This is what politicians say when they want to get elected", in his case from the liberal perspective. But I fear that most americans - being the insightful, intelligent bunch we are - swallowed it whole hog, as if Merlin had returned to stamp out environmental abuse, wealth disparities, health care inequities and so on.

I do feel like he is (and will remain being) the person who got everyone's hopes up. Many will be dashed but some will be realized. We watch too many movies where a single hero comes to rescue us all. The forces at work that perpetuate these kinds of problems are well entrenched and a ubiquitous and permanent part of the american culture.

Yep, they may change, and he may be an integral part of it. But nothing will come fast, easy, cheap and convenient. It's meet that we not saddle him for being human.

Just my thoughts.
Great expectations from one man, hampered by so much, what can you expect. A problem originating from a failed administration, on a scale we have not seen since the great depression is hardly going to be resolved in one term. Even when it does make a certain improvement it is treated with scorn...
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kennethamy
 
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Reply Sat 1 May, 2010 01:27 pm
@Jebediah,
Jebediah;159002 wrote:
On the one hand, we can't really judge how good a job someone has done until we have some historical perspective. On the other hand, we have to judge them by this November when our vote will decide whether it will be easier or harder for him to pass his proposed laws through congress. It's an interesting contradiction. More annoying than interesting really.


Yes indeed. Truth is the daughter of time, it is said. The reputations of Harry Truman, and Dwight Eisenhower are very different now than they were when left office. And, big surprise, the reputation of George W. Bush is in ascendence too.
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lazymon
 
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Reply Sat 1 May, 2010 07:30 pm
@Ali phil,
I like Obama's quote "We cannot pretend somehow that because Barack Hussein Obama got elected as president, suddenly everything is going to be OK."

He certainly has a way with words and using his own name in same context as other have tried to use against him his just humorous somehow.
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Ali phil
 
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Reply Sat 1 May, 2010 09:14 pm
@Ali phil,
Lets be fair Nothing will change more cameras will pop up around the world. More wars. More dept. More money thats not even real to begin with.

But when someone says one thing and then puts thousands more troops in afghanistan i dont see that as a positive change.

Health reforms are not as good as healthy food, and a lessoned wealth gap. Or maybe he could stop scaring the **** out of everyone with media? Making everyone need guns etc etc etc. Well he probably would change all these things but the fact is they are all beyond his control. Thats why i believe he is just a puppet. A fresh mask for the same old bastards behind it all.
kennethamy
 
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Reply Sat 1 May, 2010 09:19 pm
@Ali phil,
Ali;159161 wrote:


But when someone says one thing and then puts thousands more troops in afghanistan i dont see that as a positive change.



Of course it is a positive change. It means we are closer to eradicating a bunch of Islamic fascists. Isn't that obvious? And of course, those drones are a great help too.
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lazymon
 
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Reply Sat 1 May, 2010 09:27 pm
@Ali phil,
Ali;159161 wrote:

But when someone says one thing and then puts thousands more troops in afghanistan i dont see that as a positive change.

Health reforms are not as good as healthy food, and a lessoned wealth gap. Or maybe he could stop scaring the **** out of everyone with media? Making everyone need guns etc etc etc. Well he probably would change all these things but the fact is they are all beyond his control. Thats why i believe he is just a puppet. A fresh mask for the same old bastards behind it all.



I never heard of Obama saying he would remove all the troops from afghanistan. I remember him saying that he would remove them from Iraq and last I heard he was doing his best to. War in afghanistan will not end until the scape goat (Osama Bin Laden) has been captured and people obtain a sort of closure on what happened on 911. An eye for an eye tooth for a tooth.
Jebediah
 
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Reply Sat 1 May, 2010 09:48 pm
@Ali phil,
During his campaign Obama suggested that our focus should be on Afghanistan. One of his major criticisms of the Iraq war was that it drew troops away from Afghanistan.
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