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Is homosexuality circumstancial or biological?

 
 
JPhil
 
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Reply Sat 1 May, 2010 07:39 am
@sometime sun,
sometime sun;158568 wrote:
This may have been eluded to before in this thread,
Can someone who is homosexual choose to not be?

(Can someone deny thier destiny?)
'
Of course they can being a homo is just like being a hetero it's all about who you like. It's like a man who likes a woman, he may think one woman is more attractive than the other but with gays: men think other are more attractive than women and women think other women are more attractive than men. It's all about feelings. So it is possible for a gay person to become straight they just need to find someone that they think is attractive. And for destiny no one knows their destiny they just think they do according to circumstances. Truthfully, if we can tell what will happen next week how can know what will happen years from now. What we do is want it happen so go all out to get it to happen, but what ever we want to happen may not be our destiny, it's just something we like to do.
HexHammer
 
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Reply Sat 1 May, 2010 07:48 am
@sometime sun,
sometime sun;158568 wrote:
This may have been eluded to before in this thread,
Can someone who is homosexual choose to not be?

(Can someone deny thier destiny?)
In an unrelating thread, I came to diagnose sometimes sun, I dunno if it was a correct diagnore, nor has the diagnose been confirmed.

I get to spekulate that he have had his condition for very long, if not from child hood.
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Pepijn Sweep
 
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Reply Sat 1 May, 2010 07:48 am
@JPhil,
I could think of attractive woman but that s just based on their persona. I stayed free as a gay person. One taboo helpt me over the next. It made me stronger. I miss children though, must be my femine side...

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:bigsmile:
HexHammer;158948 wrote:
In an unrelating thread, I came to diagnose sometimes sun, I dunno if it was a correct diagnore, nor has the diagnose been confirmed.

I get to spekulate that he have had his condition for very long, if not from child hood.

Who you talk about ?

I am curieux
JPhil
 
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Reply Sat 1 May, 2010 07:56 am
@Pepijn Sweep,
Pepijn Sweep;158949 wrote:
I could think of attractive woman but that s just based on their persona. I stayed free as a gay person. One taboo helpt me over the next. It made me stronger. I miss children though, must be my femine side...

It's not just attraction by looks I am speaking of but both looks and the inner feeling you get when you think about someone you like. See men like women because they not only look good to them bu they like being around them, touching them, etc. The same with you, you like men because you like being around them, touching them, etc but it's not impossible for you like women as well, you just haven't found one that you like to be with more often. I mean straight men don't like being around every women, but like being around women in general. The same as you with men, I believe. Yet I do think you like being around women as well, but their just isn't one you'd like to snuggle with.
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HexHammer
 
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Reply Sat 1 May, 2010 08:14 am
@Pepijn Sweep,
Pepijn Sweep;158949 wrote:
:bigsmile:
Who you talk about ?

I am curieux
If you actually read my post, it should be selfexplanatory.
xris
 
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Reply Sat 1 May, 2010 08:17 am
@HexHammer,
I would just like to admit I'm a lesbian in a mans body...O, I feel so much better, Ive told everyone.
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Pepijn Sweep
 
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Reply Sat 1 May, 2010 08:32 am
@HexHammer,
HexHammer;158952 wrote:
If you actually read my post, it should be selfexplanatory.



:bigsmile: I am curieux x XLaughing
HexHammer
 
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Reply Sat 1 May, 2010 08:57 am
@Pepijn Sweep,
Pepijn Sweep;158955 wrote:
:bigsmile: I am curieux x XLaughing

Curieux = curious (french) ..x x X reference to porn?
...= sexual request? ...ewww??
Pepijn Sweep
 
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Reply Sat 1 May, 2010 09:04 am
@HexHammer,
HexHammer;158957 wrote:
Curieux = curious (french) ..x x X reference to porn?
...= sexual request? ...ewww??


U wish... XXX is emblem Amsterdam SEX-capital of Europe

5 mei; Big Party ! DAM SQUARE - HOMONUMENT- WESTERKERK
[CENTER]:bigsmile:
Laughing [/CENTER]
HexHammer
 
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Reply Sat 1 May, 2010 09:35 am
@Pepijn Sweep,
Pepijn Sweep;158960 wrote:
U wish... XXX is emblem Amsterdam SEX-capital of Europe

5 mei; Big Party ! DAM SQUARE - HOMONUMENT- WESTERKERK
[CENTER]:bigsmile:

Laughing [/CENTER]
Does not compte ..bzzz!! ..human ..illogical! ..must be exterminated!
Pepijn Sweep
 
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Reply Sat 1 May, 2010 09:42 am
@HexHammer,
HexHammer;158969 wrote:
Does not compte ..bzzz!! ..human ..illogical! ..must be exterminated!


Amsterdam is a bit of a spooky town more then extra=terrestial
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Pepijn Sweep
 
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Reply Sat 1 May, 2010 03:16 pm
@xris,
xris;158516 wrote:
As I said friend you cant or wont answer my inquisition.

Please me and start inquisitoir
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sometime sun
 
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Reply Sat 1 May, 2010 05:45 pm
@HexHammer,
HexHammer;158645 wrote:
It's just not "either/or".

Many have a little gay side, but can suppress it, some have an extremely strong gay side and can't suppress it.
Specially observed in muslim countries with death penalty for being gay, there are still gay people, that can't help themselfs.

See it like a scale from 0 - 100%, and that can apply to any other human behaviour. If your homosexual tendency are low, it can be suppressed by other things like reason, group think ..etc, but if it's very high, it will overwrite everything, well ofcause dependandt if your other mental areas are strong too.

(I wish i was not on your ignore list because the second part of what you say here i already illustrated. Even if you did a better job)

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Ali;158643 wrote:
No you cannot avoid your biology? Don't understand your point?
If it is biological why would our dessisions make us gay or not?
If your born gay your born gay? Not having a relationship with the same sex person doesnt make you strieght. Hence the saying 'in the closet'

The point was not made well by me but did give me the idea for my thread 'avoidance of fate' in general.
It means the biology exists, but more so does the choice circumstance which is overall that which is the prevalent factor.
Which has more validity a bio gay who can be a gay but ultimately must still choose to be, or a bio straight who may not have to make a choice at all?
What is the choice circumstance other than choosing the safer and therefore biologically sounder possition?
The choice circumstance only really exists for homosexuals is what i may be trying to say?
The only ones who can be confused are the homos.

---------- Post added 05-02-2010 at 12:57 AM ----------

HexHammer;158948 wrote:
In an unrelating thread, I came to diagnose sometimes sun, I dunno if it was a correct diagnore, nor has the diagnose been confirmed.

I get to spekulate that he have had his condition for very long, if not from child hood.

HexHammer be my friend or please stop it. You are not a worthy enemy.

---------- Post added 05-02-2010 at 01:07 AM ----------

JPhil;158946 wrote:
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Of course they can being a homo is just like being a hetero it's all about who you like. It's like a man who likes a woman, he may think one woman is more attractive than the other but with gays: men think other are more attractive than women and women think other women are more attractive than men. It's all about feelings. So it is possible for a gay person to become straight they just need to find someone that they think is attractive. And for destiny no one knows their destiny they just think they do according to circumstances. Truthfully, if we can tell what will happen next week how can know what will happen years from now. What we do is want it happen so go all out to get it to happen, but what ever we want to happen may not be our destiny, it's just something we like to do.

We all know we are going to die, we all know our destiny.
But dont worry i do get what you are trying to say, go to my thread 'avoidance of fate' in general if you wish to discuss further fate and or destiny.

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JPhil;158951 wrote:
It's not just attraction by looks I am speaking of but both looks and the inner feeling you get when you think about someone you like. See men like women because they not only look good to them bu they like being around them, touching them, etc. The same with you, you like men because you like being around them, touching them, etc but it's not impossible for you like women as well, you just haven't found one that you like to be with more often. I mean straight men don't like being around every women, but like being around women in general. The same as you with men, I believe. Yet I do think you like being around women as well, but their just isn't one you'd like to snuggle with.

I am not speaking for Pepijn here although he may agree,
Every gay man and woman i know or have known prefers the company of women over straight or gay men.
All of them.
Love has little to do with sex.
Women are easier loved and are easier at loving.
platorepublic
 
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Reply Sun 2 May, 2010 01:27 am
@sometime sun,
sometime sun;159101 wrote:

I am not speaking for Pepijn here although he may agree,
Every gay man and woman i know or have known prefers the company of women over straight or gay men.
All of them.
Love has little to do with sex.
Women are easier loved and are easier at loving.

Yes, that's actually true! They do carry the eggs, for all future generations huh. Our sperm is quite useless and disposable.
Pepijn Sweep
 
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Reply Sun 2 May, 2010 01:47 am
@platorepublic,
platorepublic;159203 wrote:
Yes, that's actually true! They do carry the eggs, for all future generations huh. Our sperm is quite useless and disposable.


You are right, it's easy disposable. But au contrair with eggs they keep forming. Also special because they seem to persist even without mitochondric element. I am not a biologist but would an anorganic energy source be a step to an all male human with woman as breeders ? What else we need from a womans egg ?

:sarcastic:
Minimal
 
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Reply Sun 2 May, 2010 02:17 am
@Ali phil,
Freud would argue we are born bisexual. If we follow such logic it would be biologically inherent but nurtured, or psychologically developed, to manifest in either a monosexual preference or simply continue manifesting the bisexual tendency as some latent development of monosexual preference. I do not agree with this premise that we are born with innate bisexuality, but it does show how easily one premise moulds our understanding of sexuality.

There is no consensus on sexuality but I still believe homosexuality can be biological and is genetic or even environmentally triggered - if I remember correctly, I recall reading a study on homosexual men's brains and that they resembled a woman's brain in some anatomical features. Socially though, you can look to the younger generation and see a growing trend of androgynous fashion and mannerism which could be considered circumstantial homosexuality.

Intriguing discussion, though there is no conclusive factuality or theory on the matter.

Minimal.
platorepublic
 
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Reply Sun 2 May, 2010 02:31 am
@Pepijn Sweep,
Pepijn Sweep;159204 wrote:
You are right, it's easy disposable. But au contrair with eggs they keep forming. Also special because they seem to persist even without mitochondric element. I am not a biologist but would an anorganic energy source be a step to an all male human with woman as breeders ? What else we need from a womans egg ?

:sarcastic:

Uh well you could look at unisex - species.
sometime sun
 
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Reply Sun 2 May, 2010 02:38 am
@platorepublic,
Can you choose to be asexual?

If so sign me up.
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Pepijn Sweep
 
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Reply Sun 2 May, 2010 02:41 am
@Minimal,
Minimal;159207 wrote:
Freud would argue we are born bisexual. If we follow such logic it would be biologically inherent but nurtured, or psychologically developed, to manifest in either a monosexual preference or simply continue manifesting the bisexual tendency as some latent development of monosexual preference. I do not agree with this premise that we are born with innate bisexuality, but it does show how easily one premise moulds our understanding of sexuality.

There is no consensus on sexuality but I still believe homosexuality can be biological and is genetic or even environmentally triggered - if I remember correctly, I recall reading a study on homosexual men's brains and that they resembled a woman's brain in some anatomical features. Socially though, you can look to the younger generation and see a growing trend of androgynous fashion and mannerism which could be considered circumstantial homosexuality.

Intriguing discussion, though there is no conclusive factuality or theory on the matter.

Minimal.


Of course a womans brain looks like a mans because God created Her from Eve and called her a white knight on a horse. Adam quickly called her Eva.

God took a Day OFF.

Eva gave Adam an apple to try.
sometime sun
 
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Reply Sun 2 May, 2010 05:33 am
@Pepijn Sweep,
I think i should add also that i think the only creature that prefers the company of men straight or gay is straight women.
They may feel more comfortable with women but they would prefer to be around men.
 

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