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Is homosexuality circumstancial or biological?

 
 
HexHammer
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2010 01:06 am
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic;158260 wrote:
'Wow' I nead to learn how to be more clear about what I am saying, let me try again.
Sorry about that I would never call anyone stupid as I would find a different way to interact with people that I disagree with.

I think that HexHammer is very smart after reading many of his post. [now find a needle and pop that ego bubble] but if I took one of your post and used it as a example of how I think that you are interesting, there may be some people that may disagree with me and think you are some what stupid.
Someone that would disagree with me by only reading one of your post and then come to such a conclusion, I would think that they do not have enough info about HexHammer to make such a bold claim
Whithout reading more about your thoughts, They are making a poor evaluation in my opinion.
That's just repeating youself.
Is what you are trying to say, that by only reading 1 post, you will get nothing, but by reading many of my post you will understand?
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2010 01:52 am
@HexHammer,
HexHammer;158278 wrote:
That's just repeating youself.
Is what you are trying to say, that by only reading 1 post, you will get nothing, but by reading many of my post you will understand?


Something like that! I think that reading 1 post will not always give the reader an idea of how much wisdom you have to offer, as some people may not agree with that 1 post, but if they were to read many of your post they may find value in what they can learn from you. If that does not clear it up send me a pm as I have wander far from the OP and do not want to do that any more.Smile
Pepijn Sweep
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2010 02:45 am
@reasoning logic,
Is this an exemple of male court-making on the Forum ? Please move to the Stoa for some privacy !
HexHammer
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2010 02:49 am
@Pepijn Sweep,
Pepijn Sweep;158308 wrote:
Is this an exemple of male court-making on the Forum ? Please move to the Stoa for some privacy !
Hehe, seems more like wishful thinking. Laughing
Pepijn Sweep
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2010 04:07 am
@Pepijn Sweep,
Pepijn Sweep;158308 wrote:
Is this an exemple of male court-making on the Forum ? Please move to the Stoa for some privacy !


Happely together, but enjoy seeing people more gay i.c. happy as they want
:a-thought:
wayne
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2010 04:58 am
@Pepijn Sweep,
Pepijn Sweep;158329 wrote:
Happely together, but enjoy seeing people more gay i.c. happy as they want
:a-thought:



You're totally nuts dude!

OH,,, banana nut bread.....mmmmmmmmmmh
Laughing
Ali phil
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2010 05:02 am
@Ali phil,
In New Zealand a Homosexual man 'came on to' or (hit on) a Hetrosexual man, the hetrosexual man then stuffed a candle stick down his throat and got of with no charges?!

So why is it that we seem to have a fear for homosexuals? (off caurse this is a bold statement but as a sociaty it still seems a bit tabboo?

Could Homosexuals become strieght the same way people can turn gay?

If Biological could it be possible to (with science) make a homosexual strieght?
Pepijn Sweep
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2010 05:13 am
@wayne,
wayne;158345 wrote:
You're totally nuts dude!

OH,,, banana nut bread.....mmmmmmmmmmh
Laughing


Nuts would be an understatement; second time today...
Coconuts might be closer...

Lovely cookies !
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HexHammer
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2010 05:34 am
@Ali phil,
Ali;158347 wrote:
In New Zealand a Homosexual man 'came on to' or (hit on) a Hetrosexual man, the hetrosexual man then stuffed a candle stick down his throat and got of with no charges?!

So why is it that we seem to have a fear for homosexuals? (off caurse this is a bold statement but as a sociaty it still seems a bit tabboo?

Could Homosexuals become strieght the same way people can turn gay?

If Biological could it be possible to (with science) make a homosexual strieght?
Are you sure there's nothing more to the story, such as erotomani?
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Pepijn Sweep
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2010 06:14 am
@HexHammer,
HexHammer;158309 wrote:
Hehe, seems more like wishful thinking. Laughing

What is wrong with wishful thinking ?

Wishes can yes they can come true !
HexHammer
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2010 06:47 am
@Pepijn Sweep,
Pepijn Sweep;158371 wrote:
What is wrong with wishful thinking ?

Wishes can yes they can come true !
Yes, I have some bad experiences with that.
JPhil
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2010 07:21 am
@polpol,
polpol;157308 wrote:
As a woman, I enjoy the friendship of homosexual men, but not homosexual women who make me feel just like with macho men. Where I live, same sex marriages are well accepted. Homosexuality is a good contraceptive method and there is a link between overpopulation and homosexuality among many species. On the other hand, I am sad when I see a handsome, healthy and intelligeant person, not reproduce, it's bad for the species. The Greeks practised homosexuality (sodomy and pedophily), but not exclusively, they would still marry to reproduce, homosexuality was just a way to maximise pleasure. Anyways, we must be respectful of homosexuals as they participate in our society and contribute in many ways in making this world better, I'm not sure we would have all this horrible wars had we let homosexuals decide!


Oh really, so you're saying that homosexuals think better than heteros then. I don't see the difference of thinking between the two its just what each one prefer in a relationship.

---------- Post added 04-30-2010 at 09:36 AM ----------

So being gay is circumstantial then eh? So if two men were on an island together and they had to have some sort of pleasure you they must have sex with one another. This is just like saying, if the only person you could date was the ugliest person in the world, you would date them for the sake of pleasure. Not because you like them for who they are, looks, etc. If this true then we know that relationships aren't built off preference but off desperateness, and that's ridiculous. So then a person is gay because they wanted to be gay not because they were desperate or born with it. Though I will agree that the way you nurture a person can affect their feelings toward something, but in reality when they are mature the choose what they want and who they like. Therefore people aren't the way they are because of circumstances but it is what they chose to be.
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Pepijn Sweep
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2010 07:51 am
@HexHammer,
HexHammer;158382 wrote:
Yes, I have some bad experiences with that.


I will be careful for what i wish
:bigsmile:
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jgweed
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2010 08:29 am
@Ali phil,
If being gay were only a matter of choice, it would be hard to argue that people would so choose given the way gays have been treated by society from around the Reformation to rather recently. Even today, the number of gay youths who commit suicide are higher than the average, and they are often thrown out by parents when their "choice" is found out; even today in many parts of America, gay-bashing is always a real possibility. Why would one make the choice to be a leper?

We must distinguish between circumstances forcing homosexual acts (strange islands or brutish prisons), and how humans exist in the normal world. In the latter, the real choice involved is in admitting to oneself, in spite of tremendous pressures from society, that one is gay by nature, and then in choosing to make a life for oneself that accepts it.
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Pyrrho
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2010 08:30 am
@Pepijn Sweep,
Pepijn Sweep;158371 wrote:
What is wrong with wishful thinking ?

Wishes can yes they can come true !



Ever hear the saying, if wishes were horses, beggars would ride?

What is wrong with wishful thinking is that it is fallacious reasoning. See:

Logical Fallacy: Wishful Thinking

Wanting something to be true does not make it true. And such things tend to interfere with taking actions to bring about what one wants, insofar as it is possible to bring about what one wants.

The best approach is a realistic evaluation, and then taking the appropriate actions to bring about the best possible outcome. Otherwise, one is likely to not bring about the best possible outcome.
Pepijn Sweep
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2010 08:44 am
@Pyrrho,
Pyrrho;158413 wrote:
Ever hear the saying, if wishes were horses, beggars would ride?

What is wrong with wishful thinking is that it is fallacious reasoning. See:

Logical Fallacy: Wishful Thinking

Wanting something to be true does not make it true. And such things tend to interfere with taking actions to bring about what one wants, insofar as it is possible to bring about what one wants.

The best approach is a realistic evaluation, and then taking the appropriate actions to bring about the best possible outcome. Otherwise, one is likely to not bring about the best possible outcome.


In Dutch we say De Wens is de Vader van den Gedachte. The wish is the father of a Thought. Sounds better in Dutch....
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lazymon
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2010 12:10 pm
@Ali phil,
I believe homosexuality is more biological than circumstantial.

1. We don't have that much scientific evidence since the topic is seen as sinful or taboo. I think it is sinful to not talk about it.

2. Women I have dated have been open enough to talk about their own sexuality. Sadly I only have three examples here to go by :devilish:. My experiments with these fine specimen concluded that each one had their own set of chemical and biological desires for sex.


Ok so I had my fun.:Glasses:

It seems to me that a common mistake is to assume that all homosexuals are the same. "They are all fags." Which is also quite rude to say!

I would say that most homosexual men are looking for more pleasure than emotional needs.(obviously) And women are looking for more emotion needs than sexual pleasure.

So is it more 'sinful' to be gay if you are a women?

Is it more 'sinful' to be gay if you were born gay?

The way I look at it is this:

I was born with a genetic mental disorder that makes me have a tendency toward being what society would say is lazy and anti social. So I am left wondering "am I a sinner even though I can't fully control my brain's neurons?"

I can train my brain to behave more normally so that it becomes less of a problem for society and myself. This I can only do if


  • I choose to
  • I acknowledge there is a problem
  • I have a better understanding of how to go about it.
  • Don't become depressed with the struggle and commit suicide
  • Receive help and support


I am still left with a problem that is my choice. Whether I deal with it or not it is still a choice.

I for one am not going to throw any stones at homosexuals because in my own decisions I have found it to be healthier to accept my own nature. I am a proud lazy person!

I find it great that homosexuals are able to finally voice their pride of who they are. It is important to them since it would be unhealthy to remain in the closet.

The first step to change is to acknowledge the problem exists. "I think therefore I am."

Religion and politics only causes harm to the situation because it refuses to acknowledge that this is built into our nature. That would mean we have no right to throw the stones at them lest we beat our self with the same stones.
xris
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2010 01:25 pm
@lazymon,
lazymon;158461 wrote:
I believe homosexuality is more biological than circumstantial.

1. We don't have that much scientific evidence since the topic is seen as sinful or taboo. I think it is sinful to not talk about it.

2. Women I have dated have been open enough to talk about their own sexuality. Sadly I only have three examples here to go by :devilish:. My experiments with these fine specimen concluded that each one had their own set of chemical and biological desires for sex.


Ok so I had my fun.:Glasses:

It seems to me that a common mistake is to assume that all homosexuals are the same. "They are all fags." Which is also quite rude to say!

I would say that most homosexual men are looking for more pleasure than emotional needs.(obviously) And women are looking for more emotion needs than sexual pleasure.

So is it more 'sinful' to be gay if you are a women?

Is it more 'sinful' to be gay if you were born gay?

The way I look at it is this:

I was born with a genetic mental disorder that makes me have a tendency toward being what society would say is lazy and anti social. So I am left wondering "am I a sinner even though I can't fully control my brain's neurons?"

I can train my brain to behave more normally so that it becomes less of a problem for society and myself. This I can only do if


  • I choose to
  • I acknowledge there is a problem
  • I have a better understanding of how to go about it.
  • Don't become depressed with the struggle and commit suicide
  • Receive help and support
I am still left with a problem that is my choice. Whether I deal with it or not it is still a choice.

I for one am not going to throw any stones at homosexuals because in my own decisions I have found it to be healthier to accept my own nature. I am a proud lazy person!

I find it great that homosexuals are able to finally voice their pride of who they are. It is important to them since it would be unhealthy to remain in the closet.

The first step to change is to acknowledge the problem exists. "I think therefore I am."

Religion and politics only causes harm to the situation because it refuses to acknowledge that this is built into our nature. That would mean we have no right to throw the stones at them lest we beat our self with the same stones.
Im not sure if your saying homosexuality is a problem or not? For the heterosexual, its not so much a problem, more a lack of comprehending the homosexuals sexuality. I for one dont understand the dynamics of the relationships and thats because im not homosexual, not because I think its problem. I have asked many but none appear willing to explain. If there is problem its a lack of understanding.

As for being normal, can any one of make that incredible claim? I cant. My inability, at odd times, to control my violence has scared the hell out of me.
lazymon
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2010 01:42 pm
@xris,
It is not so much a problem for me but for homosexuals that have to deal with society not accepting them. Since in the US we give preference to couples of straight relationships and not to homosexuals.

My fix would be to get rid of any mention of marriage in the law-books and keep weddings and marriage a personal, religious, and family oriented matter. That way we don't even have to discuss or think about things which most people find offensive and taboo. Also it keeps government out of the affairs of our family!

I see a pattern here. In the past religion was more tied to government. As time moves on we have to make a separation because somewhere there has to be a line between good and evil. I would hate to see for instance that a person would want to get married to their horse.

I think it is the governments job to find universal truths like "stealing is bad", "murder is bad" and so forth to keep society from falling apart.

It is religions job to have opinions and personal beliefs.

It is easy for me to see a future where the government accepts all religions, and I believe this is a very good trend towards which we are taking.

We are slowly evolving a system that will be incredibly tolerant of each other and I hope that it will provide peace, love, and goodwill for all.
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Pepijn Sweep
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2010 02:25 pm
@xris,
xris;158489 wrote:
Im not sure if your saying homosexuality is a problem or not? For the heterosexual, its not so much a problem, more a lack of comprehending the homosexuals sexuality. I for one dont understand the dynamics of the relationships and thats because im not homosexual, not because I think its problem. I have asked many but none appear willing to explain. If there is problem its a lack of understanding.

As for being normal, can any one of make that incredible claim? I cant. My inability, at odd times, to control my violence has scared the hell out of me.
 

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