Athiests do not exist?

if an atheist is kept alive (artificially) forever and tortured (everything he/she wanted, thought, or felt the opposite occurred) forever at some point in time it will want God or something like a God (beyond it) to save it? Right?

Would you believe in a God to stop continuous torture/pain?
If you can't stop it yourself or any other way wouldn't you resort to asking for someone or something else beyond you to?

Not that doing so would be successful, but that any living thing would have to ask because it is in it's own self interest to.

The link goes to a list of charities, not a single group as you imply.

Yes, atheist charities are pretty new, not many existed before the 20th century. I just wanted to point out that Atheist Centre of India is huge and has been around since 1948.

The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation is also huge and is probably the only organization looking for a cure for malaria. They have spent billions in Africa.

There are thousands of atheist run charities but only a few use the word atheist in their titles for several reasons. Some people will not donate to atheist charities. Others will not accept help from them. Atheist charities also seek to protect themselves from terrorist attacks and harassment.

If individuals suffer from being recognized as atheists (job discrimination, harassment, vandalism, and abuse) in first world countries it seems like it would be wise to conceal an atheist identity in a charity. Their aim is to help people and being "out" as atheists would hinder that.

Think about the bibles and electronic bibles sent to Haiti instead of food or medical supplies or the Christian charities providing relief efforts in Haiti that refuse to help non-Christians before asserting atheist charities, unlike religious charities, would have an ulterior motive.

an atheist is torturing himself, he is living away from god the fullness itself which means he is living away towards nothingness, he is nearing away from pleasure towards pain.

Perhaps when both labels cease to exist we will all know what humanity is all about. This finger pointing on both sides really drains the blood out of every body...............literally.

William

You might think of me as a finger pointed, but really all I am doing is requesting that someone who is a believer, not to hold their moral values up to me and say, obey these. That is my only problem and I will continue to create conflict because I feel it is wrong to place moral values that come from nothing more than an empty belief onto people. The day when religious people stop imposing their theocracy onto society is the day I will shut up.

I am curious about this moral values idea. Do not atheists have moral values of some kind? Do moral values only come from god belief or religion?

I only have 3 rules.

1. Respect everyone's life. (you do not have the right to take someone else life from them.)

2. Respect everyone's property. (you do not have the right to damage or steal what is not yours to damage or take.)

3. Respect everyone's freedom to do the same as above. (you do not have the right to impose or prevent someone from doing what they wish.)

You might think I am contradicting myself with my third rule, but I am not. Imposing your moral values onto society you are limiting their freedom to do as they want. So you are in violation of the third rule.

Why should my rules be everyone's rules? Well I doubt anyone would accept and live by these rules. But I say the world would never need another rule other than these three. They are universal and useful in every single situation. There is not a single law anywhere that does not touch one or more of these three, therefore they are the basis for what everyone can accept.

Does this answer your question with a long response?

Those all sound like pretty good rules to me.
Although the third rule doesn't tell us how to deal with persons that don't choose to live by the rules.

True, but no one asked about what to do for those whom break these rules. I believe in a fair system. They would be brought to trial by jury and depending on which rule they broke would determine the resultant punishment if found guilty.

I do not support the death penalty, so those who are guilty of murder would not be sentenced to death. But I think if they are sentenced they should be held to it and not left off for any reason. If you are given a ten year sentence it should be a ten year sentence.

People would not be put in jail for using or selling drugs. People would not be put into jail for soliciting prostitution or for purchasing sex. To me these do not cause harm in any way. If a person is willing to purchase drugs they have already decided what harm might come for taking them. You can't slight the seller as being the catalyst for drug use. Otherwise McDonald's should be held responsible for people getting diabetes or heart disease.

Sorry to make another long explanation. Punishment really comes down to how severe the rule was broken and which rule was broken. I believe in being fair to the crime and no double punishments for crimes. I believe under my system there would be fewer people in jails that don't need to be there so we have plenty of room for the ones who really do belong there.

I don't mind a long explanation. I am in agreement with your ideas here, i think that our money and time would be better spent on drug education than chasing after some pot smoking hippies.

I agree that religions were responsible for the origin of a lot of these rules, although we have now reached a point where so much profit is involved in the prison system that it has gone well beyond that.

Exactly. I feel the same, that if you were to legalize drug use, you would actually create an environment where people who wanted to find help for their addictions could. I have read stories where undercover police officers would visit NA meetings. They would listen to the stories of these addicts and try and befriend them. Once they gained their trust they would try to pry information about their old drug contacts so they could turn around and bust the dealers. This to me is an massive abuse of the system and it is no wonder why many are hesitant to seek help for their addictions. They might be afraid of prosecution if they do.

Yeah I can see this as a problem. Where there is profit, many who are involved will be hesitant to change it. It all comes down to education again. When people realize that keeping these things illegal actually causes more evil in the world, they might start to realize change is necessary.

if this being wishes me tortured because of that then by all means, they are not worthy of me defining them as a god.

he did not wish for it, you are the one who is living away from him, humanity needs god, you are leaving away from your needs.

Hello Sun, they cause problems for us all. It could be said that they in their misunderstanding of God, is what created erroneous theist thought. Yea, they cause problems for everyone. That's what we are here for to help each other solve those problems.

I say just the opposite. I see theists causing more problems than any atheist has ever.

By hating drug use, they have forced governments to ban drug sales which not only created more evil but a black market allowing people who shouldn't really have a lot of money at their disposal but it gives them plenty of outlet for more violence. This would not have happened if drug sales were not banned.

Perhaps when both labels cease to exist we will all know what humanity is all about. This finger pointing on both sides really drains the blood out of every body...............literally.

They both cause problems K. But I think you will find the theists use the word "hate" far less than others. I was merely responding to the title of the thread. Perhaps when both learn what it is to be human, then neither will exist and stop hiding behind those labels.

Hating drug use? I think it would do you well to do a little browsing here as to all the really great and wonderful the consequences are of such drug use? Your incessant blaming of all man's problems on those of faith is a bit tired.

Why people use drugs is the issue and it is a serious problem. At times it seems to me the whole world is walking on crutches. Legalizing them is not going to help the situation. Eliminating the demand will.

Everyone "hates" drug use! All of us have those natural drugs that kick in when the circumstances warrant. Unfortunately those circumstances are rare in today's reality and why so many find alternatives.

In another thread, just yesterday, a member imagined how, in a perfect, peaceful world, one of discontent could "spoil" that world. That's impossible. He noted and I agreed love comes from within and if so many were offering the love they had in themselves, that discontented one would have no choice but to surrender and join that world.

You want to feel "those" natural drugs kick in, give it a shot! When we take alternatives we only care about ourselves and how they make us feel. You don't have to be an atheist or a theist for that to happen.

Your reference to prostitution is just as tired. Why women would sell themselves is what must be address and why men pay when both have natural alternatives. We all know how to take the situation in hand, ha without involving others when the circumstances arise; no pun intended. We just need to create a reality in which those circumstances don't arise so often. Lessen the temptation, so to speak. Now I know that sounded like a theist talking. No! It's simply the truth.

Get off the blame game K, no one is that innocent that could point a finger at anyone. Like I said.........

Would you believe in a Superman or The Green Lantern to stop continuous torture/pain?

Only if the torture/pain actually stopped. Unfortunately prayer is useless so you will scream your head off for a savior and receive nothing.