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Athiests do not exist?

 
 
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 17 Apr, 2010 09:22 pm
@sometime sun,
sometime sun;153381 wrote:
There are pretenders in both our fields,
overall there are more religious theist people, period.
Think about it this way,

[more athiests find God in prison.



If this is true then all you would have to do is send more people to prison to have them believe in God.

Hold on one minute did we not try this already in the past? Did it work? If so that could be the answer to geting rid of all the non believers. :detective:
Jebediah
 
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Reply Sat 17 Apr, 2010 09:22 pm
@awareness,
awareness;153341 wrote:
if an atheist is kept alive (artificially) forever and tortured (everything he/she wanted, thought, or felt the opposite occurred) forever at some point in time it will want God or something like a God (beyond it) to save it? Right?

Would you believe in a God to stop continuous torture/pain?
If you can't stop it yourself or any other way wouldn't you resort to asking for someone or something else beyond you to?

Not that doing so would be successful, but that any living thing would have to ask because it is in it's own self interest to.


No, clearly, since in this scenario believing in god would do the opposite of stopping the torture.
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sometime sun
 
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Reply Sat 17 Apr, 2010 09:24 pm
@Krumple,
Krumple;153384 wrote:
That is nonsense too. You are quickly losing credit on your arguments.

I do so wish people would actually EXPAND and show me where i am wrong instead of continuously keep just telling me to accept blindly i am in the wrong.
If you are convincing i am actually open to correction, REALLY.

I am in debt to you,
you think i actually have anything to lose?

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north;153382 wrote:
let me put it this way ;

I asked about a year ago , this question ;

who believes in their own Humanity , on another site

I got an astonishingly less then 10 responses to the positive towards Humanity , collectively

Honsetly i think humanity can only be proven by the human race, not the individual.
You cannot prove humanity to yourself?
No i really dont think so.
north
 
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Reply Sat 17 Apr, 2010 09:28 pm
@wayne,
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Originally Posted by north http://www.philosophyforum.com/images/PHBlue/buttons/viewpost.gif
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Originally Posted by north [URL="http://www.philosophyforum.com/images/PHBlue/buttons/viewpost.gif"]http://www.philosophyforum.com/image...s/viewpost.gif[/URL]
you can't see it because religions overwhelm athiests






why not ?


Quote:

Apparently religion has brought humanity together well enough to overwhelm the atheists.



of course in the begining simplicity of life , was the norm
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sometime sun
 
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Reply Sat 17 Apr, 2010 09:30 pm
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic;153386 wrote:
If this is true then all you would have to do is send more people to prison to have them believe in God.

Hold on one minute did we not try this already in the past? Did it work? If so that could be the answer to geting rid of all the non believers. :detective:

The point of God is to never be imprisoned in the first place,
religion for all it rules and judegements does just have one goal in sight,
To liberate you,
not just from the world and yourself but for the need of any walls or prison cells.

All the other imitators please stand up, please stand up.
wayne
 
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Reply Sat 17 Apr, 2010 09:33 pm
@north,
north;153378 wrote:
Quote:
Originally Posted by north http://www.philosophyforum.com/images/PHBlue/buttons/viewpost.gif
you can't see it because religions overwhelm athiests






why not ?


Apparently religion has brought humanity together well enough to overwhelm atheists

Krumple;153379 wrote:
That is absolute BS.

Statistically there are more religious people in prisons than non. It is not that they all of a sudden become religious while in prison. Stop spreading falseness. Nothing more annoying than a person who lies to make their religious beliefs feel better.



There are so many holes in that it isn't even funny.

You're not making any valid arguement for atheism, merely attacking theism.

Why can't you show me where atheism has ever got together and done anything to help humanity.
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north
 
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Reply Sat 17 Apr, 2010 09:35 pm
@sometime sun,
sometime sun;153392 wrote:
The point of God is to never be imprisoned in the first place,
religion for all it rules and judegements does just have one goal in sight,
To liberate you,
not just from the world and yourself but for the need of any walls or prison cells.

All the other imitators please stand up, please stand up.


to liberate Humanity from what though ?
sometime sun
 
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Reply Sat 17 Apr, 2010 09:36 pm
@north,
north;153395 wrote:
to liberate Humanity from what though ?

Ourselves and even God
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 17 Apr, 2010 09:37 pm
@sometime sun,
sometime sun;153392 wrote:
The point of God is to never be imprisoned in the first place,
religion for all it rules and judegements does just have one goal in sight,
To liberate you,
not just from the world and yourself but for the need of any walls or prison cells.

All the other imitators please stand up, please stand up.


\
Sometime sun I have not read many of your post but what very little I have read you seem to be of good intentions, so please do not take any thing that I share with you personally. I am only sharing my points of views and I have been wrong many of times.Smile
Krumple
 
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Reply Sat 17 Apr, 2010 09:41 pm
@sometime sun,
sometime sun;153388 wrote:
I do so wish people would actually EXPAND and show me where i am wrong instead of continuously keep just telling me to accept blindly i am in the wrong.
If you are convincing i am actually open to correction, REALLY.

I am in debt to you,
you think i actually have anything to lose?


I probably would have but you don't see the contradiction here? You expect me to accept your argument without any thing to back it up with? Then you want me to provide something tangible for you because your statement is clearly wrong? Why not use your own ability to do research before you make statements? Google is your friend, why do you expect me to do all your homework for you?
sometime sun
 
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Reply Sat 17 Apr, 2010 09:43 pm
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic;153397 wrote:
\
Sometime sun I have not read many of your post but what very little I have read you seem to be of good intentions, so please do not take any thing that I share with you personally. I am only sharing my points of views and I have been wrong many of times.Smile

Honey you worry needlessly,
i would know if it was an attack.
You gave me something to grow from,
you contributed to my mind and spirit,
thank you.
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north
 
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Reply Sat 17 Apr, 2010 09:48 pm
@sometime sun,
Quote:
Originally Posted by north http://www.philosophyforum.com/images/PHBlue/buttons/viewpost.gif
to liberate Humanity from what though ?



sometime sun;153396 wrote:
Ourselves and even God


elaborate
sometime sun
 
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Reply Sat 17 Apr, 2010 09:53 pm
@north,
north;153405 wrote:
Quote:
Originally Posted by north http://www.philosophyforum.com/images/PHBlue/buttons/viewpost.gif
to liberate Humanity from what though ?





elaborate

Perhaps we are meant to out-grow ourselves?
Perhaps we are meant to out-grow God?

Perhaps out-growing one means losing or finding the other?

Perhaps God is meant to out-grow us?
north
 
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Reply Sat 17 Apr, 2010 10:05 pm
@sometime sun,
sometime sun;153408 wrote:
Perhaps we are meant to out-grow ourselves?


if thats true it will come about

reminds me of robotics

Quote:
Perhaps we are meant to out-grow God?


some of us have , for the total Earth to do so , is a big attitude change to say the least

Quote:
Perhaps out-growing one means losing or finding the other?


out growing both though , means that we have finally become a being that believes in its self

we have grown

Quote:
Perhaps God is meant to out-grow us?


does god make mistakes ?
sometime sun
 
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Reply Sat 17 Apr, 2010 10:12 pm
@north,
north; what of outgrowing 'self' altogether.

God does not make mistakes,
God is the first pupil,
therefore the first teacher.
God makes adjustments.

But there is something to be said for following Gods lesson plan.

And knowing ouselves enough to know when we have at the least caught up with God.
And yes, do we have the ability to surpass God?
I am not sure God would have created us with out the express understanding we could be married not just offspring.
wayne
 
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Reply Sat 17 Apr, 2010 10:14 pm
@awareness,
When I see congregations of atheists getting together to serve meals to the poor, build houses for humanity, provide shelter for the homeless. Then will I believe we have outgrown God.
kennethamy
 
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Reply Sat 17 Apr, 2010 10:15 pm
@dredpiraterob,
dredpiraterob;153369 wrote:
ive heard there are no atheists in prison...but i wouldnt know...



I think it is foxholes, not prison.

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wayne;153419 wrote:
When I see congregations of atheists getting together to serve meals to the poor, build houses for humanity, provide shelter for the homeless. Then will I believe we have outgrown God.


You think that if atheists do that, that will prove that there is no God?
north
 
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Reply Sat 17 Apr, 2010 10:18 pm
@sometime sun,
Quote:

God does not make mistakes


god did with adam and eve

and with lucifer

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wayne;153419 wrote:
When I see congregations of atheists getting together to serve meals to the poor, build houses for humanity, provide shelter for the homeless. Then will I believe we have outgrown God.


there are actually programs that do help the poor in Africa that are not religious based
sometime sun
 
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Reply Sat 17 Apr, 2010 10:23 pm
@north,
north;153422 wrote:
god did with adam and eve

and with lucifer

When are we going to take responsibilty for ourselves?
God gave us freedom, when are we going to stop torturing ourselves?
The day we release the self.

Evil was the first conception of 'self'
Lucifer may have been the first person?
wayne
 
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Reply Sat 17 Apr, 2010 10:25 pm
@kennethamy,
kennethamy;153420 wrote:
I think it is foxholes, not prison.

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You think that if atheists do that, that will prove that there is no God?


Not at all, only that the need for God belief has passed.
I don't believe for a minute it will ever happen.
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