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Give me your one original, most creative thought!

 
 
richrf
 
Reply Fri 12 Jun, 2009 09:21 pm
Hi everyone,

I am looking for originality. I am looking for wild imagination. I am looking for the Michaelangelo, the Da Vinci of Philosophy Forum. I want you to blow my socks off! Let me have it. Let me have your boldest, craziest, most original philosophical thought Smile!

Thanks!

Rich
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Satan phil
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jun, 2009 10:17 pm
@richrf,
The difference between a description and an explanation is psychological. Values are irrational. Knowledge is circular and arbitrary. Science is based on a logical fallacy and what most people think they are, doesn't exist.
richrf
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jun, 2009 10:29 pm
@Satan phil,
Satan;68692 wrote:
The difference between a description and an explanation is psychological. Values are irrational. Knowledge is circular and arbitrary. Science is based on a logical fallacy and what most people think they are, doesn't exist.


Alright!! You had five. Thanks for the bonus ideas!:a-ok:

Now, what should I do tomorrow if I don't exist?

Rich
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nameless
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2009 12:07 am
@richrf,
richrf;68684 wrote:
....originality.....original ... thought Smile!

What is your definition of 'original'?
You do not 'originate' anything.
Have you another definition of the term besides the vain beliefs of pride/ego?
We are all 'unique' Perspectives. Perhaps you desire examples of our 'unique' Perspectives, but, every word proclaims such... except 'quotes' of the thoughts of others, but our perception of them is unique.
richrf
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2009 07:17 am
@nameless,
nameless;68707 wrote:
What is your definition of 'original'?
You do not 'originate' anything.
Have you another definition of the term besides the vain beliefs of pride/ego?
We are all 'unique' Perspectives. Perhaps you desire examples of our 'unique' Perspectives, but, every word proclaims such... except 'quotes' of the thoughts of others, but our perception of them is unique.


Thanks for sharing your original, creative thought with me!

Rich

Holiday20310401
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2009 01:27 pm
@richrf,
Pride and humility must strike a balance.
Theaetetus
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2009 02:17 pm
@richrf,
The rest of us, learn from the best of us.
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richrf
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2009 03:33 pm
@Holiday20310401,
Holiday20310401;68818 wrote:
Pride and humility must strike a balance.


Hi Holiday,

Thanks.

For myself, I let myself show both pride and humility - and let them achieve their own natural balance.

Thanks for your own original thought.

Rich

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Theaetetus;68831 wrote:
The rest of us, learn from the best of us.


Yep. And maybe the worst of us make the best teachers - the worst then become the best. Who knows? Smile

Thanks for sharing with me your most creative thought.

Rich
GoshisDead
 
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Reply Sun 14 Jun, 2009 12:13 am
@richrf,
Every time I think I have an original thought, I find that someone else has already had it.
sarathustrah
 
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Reply Sun 14 Jun, 2009 12:31 am
@richrf,
my first theory was that the core shape of all matter in existance is triangular... but it takes so much to explain this is not even fun anymore lol

my latest idea that to my knowledge is not elsewhere... a new government... im writing a book right now about it... the goal is equal opportunity. the bonuses are no taxes and more respected general freedoms. the government would continue as a system of justice... there would be an all new way of operation.

money would flow instead of cycle. to account for population fluctuation... no job would go unfilled... well it really takes a long explanation... and noone gets it without my little chart so i wont bother to go into much more detail... ill be ready to make a complete overview soon

(cause i was thinking... this system we got is %$#@ed up... why dont we sit down like the founding fathers and come up with a better idea... cause its too hard? cause the people in power have it good with the way things are no matter how messed up the stock population has it... but anyways... imagine when people went from trading to using currency... imagine how hard it woulda been to take some shiny metal and trust that it was worth youre prized cow? it would take a scary transition but itd be for the best! )
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Victor Eremita
 
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Reply Sun 14 Jun, 2009 12:36 am
@richrf,
If you let your fear conquer you, you are conquered by fear.
If you love to hate, you will soon hate to love.
It's not stupidity which breeds ignorance, but ignorance that breeds stupidity.
If you do not let light overcome darkness, the darkness will overcome light.


Blows your mind, doesn't it?
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kennethamy
 
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Reply Sun 14 Jun, 2009 12:38 am
@richrf,
richrf;68684 wrote:
Hi everyone,

I am looking for originality. I am looking for wild imagination. I am looking for the Michaelangelo, the Da Vinci of Philosophy Forum. I want you to blow my socks off! Let me have it. Let me have your boldest, craziest, most original philosophical thought Smile!

Thanks!

Rich


We should use analytic commonsense in philosophy. I imagine that lots of people might consider that a bold, original, and crazy philosophical thought. As least from what I can tell from reading some threads.

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Satan;68692 wrote:
The difference between a description and an explanation is psychological. Values are irrational. Knowledge is circular and arbitrary. Science is based on a logical fallacy and what most people think they are, doesn't exist.


And now, of course, you have to give reasons why we should think those are true. Is that a bold and original thought too?

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Victor Eremita;69023 wrote:
If you let your fear conquer you, you are conquered by fear.
If you love to hate, you will soon hate to love.
It's not stupidity which breeds ignorance, but ignorance that breeds stupidity.
If you do not let light overcome darkness, the darkness will overcome light.


Blows your mind, doesn't it?


No, not particularly. In fact, I don't think I know what some of it means, and I think that some of it is false. Except the first one about fear, which is just a tautology, so far as I can tell.
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nameless
 
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Reply Sun 14 Jun, 2009 04:37 am
@richrf,
richrf;68760 wrote:
Thanks for sharing your original, creative thought with me!
Rich

'These' thoughts are both original and creative, and not so.
So, because you see it as such.
Not so, as I do not.
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richrf
 
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Reply Sun 14 Jun, 2009 08:10 am
@GoshisDead,
GoshisDead;69015 wrote:
Every time I think I have an original thought, I find that someone else has already had it.


Bummer, isn't it?

I'm going to present my original thoughts pretty soon. Tell me where you have read them. OK?

Thanks for your original thought!

Rich

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sarathustrah;69022 wrote:
my first theory was that the core shape of all matter in existance is triangular... but it takes so much to explain this is not even fun anymore lol

my latest idea that to my knowledge is not elsewhere... a new government... im writing a book right now about it...


Hi there,

Go for it!

Actually, the triangle thing sounds really interesting. I think of everything as spirals. Spirals and spirals and spirals. Some condensed, some more ethereal.

Have you read Moore's Utopia?

Thanks for your creative ideas. Keep at it!

Rich

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Victor Eremita;69023 wrote:
If you let your fear conquer you, you are conquered by fear.
If you love to hate, you will soon hate to love.
It's not stupidity which breeds ignorance, but ignorance that breeds stupidity.
If you do not let light overcome darkness, the darkness will overcome light.


Blows your mind, doesn't it?


My mind was blown a long time ago! :surrender:

A bit of Heraclitus and Daoism. Love it. Nice creative thoughts! Thanks.

Rich

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nameless;69049 wrote:
'These' thoughts are both original and creative, and not so.
So, because you see it as such.
Not so, as I do not.


As the creative thoughts continue to come forth. Thanks!

Rich

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kennethamy;69024 wrote:
We should use analytic commonsense in philosophy. I imagine that lots of people might consider that a bold, original, and crazy philosophical thought. As least from what I can tell from reading some threads.


Yes. It is! Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

Rich
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sarathustrah
 
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Reply Sun 14 Jun, 2009 01:05 pm
@richrf,
i havent read moores utopia but i will now Wink

the spirals thing is precisely what i mean! what is the spiral composed of though... at the most core size everything in existance is triangular... well not triangular because thats 2d and there is no such thing as 2d in a 3d world... its more like icosahedrons. pyramids but instead of a square base, its a triangle base. because everything has to fit together... there is no empty space. its occupied by air, which is quickly moving particles of gases and dust.... its more like everything squeezes around each other... if air was empty then sound couldnt travel through it, because it needs something to vibrate for the sound to persist. every shape boils down to trangles... circles dont truly exist... if you take a stop sign and add a line and add another and add another 1billion times you get a sphere like shape...... think of the epcot center... is it a sphere? nope!!! spirals are the most common pattern in nature though... its how movement happens... like when you stick your hand in water the mass is not changed it just moves aside to fit your hand... yet some of the water is absorbed into you... smoke travels in spirals.... i mean its most common for people to argue me with saying without empty space theres no room to move into... but its not that... it takes alot more thinking to be able to imagine it... but its just different elements combing and attaching and bending and moving.... i mean i have to explain a million more points... its easier in person with illustrations... so my point is matter is triangular because its the only shape that can fit together completely with enough variety to account for all the different types of matter... and movement is prohibited without the need for empty space... because emptiness is nothing... and if nothing EXISTS it is something.

so the illustration of an atom as a cloud is wrong in my theory... no space is unoccupied.

but to remention the moores utopia thing.... im not suggesting a perfect system... its just a better system than what we got... i read george orwells 1984 though... and how the gov in there seems to have more taken complete control... thats what it feels like we're heading for.... i want to include more in my idea of government... add more to it... split it up a bit more... right now the senate and house is too inefficient... we cant be successful in the long run with the same people voting on right, trying to worry about preserving parklands when its the people who want to turn into profitable housing projects or something... ok im gettin off topic here... the system we have is too inefficient... enough said lol... the new system would be government still has its justice system... but we seperate that... the lawmakers are not the ones also voting on money issues.... there would be a specialized commitee for each necessary branch... the main major transfer i propose is that there be a revenue issuing committee... so every person gets there wages from a branch of government like status... businesses get the money they need to operate... when you purchase something the money disappears... instead of cycles... that way as much money as needed to be successful and productive is available... education is free because teachers pay comes from the core. no taxes because the jobs that the taxes pay for get the money from the core... no job goes undone because the money isnt coming from somewhere... its just when the money gets spent its gone. you would get paid according to difficulty and education level... it would be fair.. and it would not be at all communist or socialist... it would provide equal opportunity... no more.. no good job cause no good education cause no car to get there cause no money from family... that horrible cycle everyone gets stuck in... so much wasted potential!!!!
ok... im getting impatient cause theres too much to say to provide a correct overview of my whole idea... but im workin on it.... lol...
richrf
 
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Reply Sun 14 Jun, 2009 04:19 pm
@sarathustrah,
Hi Sara,

A couple of thoughts:

1) Spirals appear throughout nature. The DNA building block of life has a spiral like shape:

http://www.scq.ubc.ca/wp-content/dna.gif

But you are quite correct, that pyramids are also a quite common concept. The whole notion of hierarchies, which humans love to create in society, is based upon the pyramid. Bentov, in his discussion of the oscillating universe (and mind), uses a pendulum as an analogy. Of course, a pendulum will trace out some pretty interesting shapes combining the circle and triangle.

http://blog.benchside.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/foucault-pendulum-262x300.jpg

I believe these shapes are fundamental, and when rectified at in higher dimensions, may provide some very important insights into the nature of existence. Notice the shapes within the Kabbalah:

http://www.wildriverreview.com/images/art-to_kabbalah.jpg

I think you are going to have a very interesting life as you explore the shapes of the universe. One that you might particularly enjoy is the Taiji symbol:

http://www.dstaiji.com/images/I-ching.gif

As for an new economic system, as you explore human nature, and all of its varieties, I think you will be surprised at how people act under different circumstance. Everyone is quite different, and you may be very surprised at the variety and how they go about their daily lives and how they may react in any system that you propose. Humans are a gas.

Rich
Holiday20310401
 
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Reply Sun 14 Jun, 2009 11:39 pm
@richrf,
"So you've decided to believe in God then eh? Well, tell me what your opinion is after you've read some human literature, in fact, I dare you to read this whole library, no, maybe just take 100 random books from here and read them. We'll see how you feel about God once you're done. If after reading a fair chunk, you've still decided you are a theist, then I will start listening".
richrf
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jun, 2009 12:15 am
@Holiday20310401,
Holiday20310401;69361 wrote:
"So you've decided to believe in God then eh? Well, tell me what your opinion is after you've read some human literature, in fact, I dare you to read this whole library, no, maybe just take 100 random books from here and read them. We'll see how you feel about God once you're done. If after reading a fair chunk, you've still decided you are a theist, then I will start listening".


Hi Holiday,

Honestly, I have no idea what you are talking about. But thanks for the comment anyway. Hope you have a nice evening.

Rich
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sarathustrah
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jun, 2009 01:16 pm
@richrf,
those pictures are representations though

dna if actually seen does not look exactly like that.... its an illustration to make it easier on your imagination...

thyamine is not a green bar... sugar phosphate is not a white bar... under a microscope it has form... it may look like bonded specs... and for ease you may illustrate as so... but i am saying the specs are not circles... they are triangular... but not triangles... the 3d versions... Tetrahedron - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
tetrahedrons... which bond and form things like icosahedrons and tetrahedrons... and convex and concave forms... different elements being the different forms of bonded combinations.

not anything along the lines of a concept.. but the real form of the most basic things that make up everything.

and not everything is spirals... theyre just super common... snails, flowers, hurricanes, shells.... sound waves are not spiraling though... its just one of the common patterns of the movements and growth of things.

using pyramids to get concepts across is faaaaaaar off from what im saying.... its common... but its not what i mean... im saying the true form of matter at its most miniscule points are tetrahedrons.

oh and humans are solid liquid and gas hehehehe just messin.
richrf
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jun, 2009 02:38 pm
@sarathustrah,
sarathustrah;69446 wrote:
using pyramids to get concepts across is faaaaaaar off from what im saying.... its common... but its not what i mean... im saying the true form of matter at its most miniscule points are tetrahedrons.

oh and humans are solid liquid and gas hehehehe just messin.


Hi Sara,

I imagine that it is really tough to imagine what we are part of - since we are part of it. It is probably some combination of what you envision and what I envision. Here is an image that sort of reconstructs how I envision it.


http://www.nccr-nano.org/nccr/media/gallery/gallery_01/gallery_01_05/pics_05/internet/qm_rings.jpg

This is an electronic photograph of the DNA molecule:

http://jennifersaylor.files.wordpress.com/2006/08/dna_molecule.jpg
 

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