I will prove god's existence if....

How do you know that this transcendent entity is anything remotely resembling the God you worship?

It is certainly no offense to you but you should probably not trust the ideas that come from LSD. Rational, clear thought is turned into a lucid dreaming state on that drug and so you are likely to come out of it thinking that santa is actually the one stealing your socks from the dryer.

why is 'god is the ultimate' not enough for you? Same reason.

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What is your reason for accepting the conundrum of an ultimate into your life? Explain to me why we need an ultimate being in our lives. Why does God need to be ultimate?

Answer: Because then if God were not ultimate, it'd be forced to requiring a valid explanation of its existence. Ofcourse valid is viewed differently for everbody; I would accept rational and empirical, preferably empirical explanation as to how such an ultimate being exists, and why if it did it would ultimately matter.

And since God is a spiritual thing, to use the word God to equate to some empirically valid explanation of some rather objective phenomenon would not be called God anyways. It could be called divine, but not God. Before you begin to provide us all with a proof of God's existence I must know what exactly you believe God is spiritually speaking. :detective:

A question that can be answered when you are willing to tell me what an empircal proof is anyway.

you tell me what kind of proof you require, and why it is proof at all.

and there is an if in the title. Nobody has done so adequatly so far. I do not draw any conclusions from that, I will draw conclusions when someone has done so. If you don't like it don't respond, but I would much rather you answered the terms. So how about it?

Earlier I suggested that a proof of God was impossible. What then?

Show me god in his true form.

That is the proof I require.

Rationally- All rational proof is based on an assumption- a hypotheses. There have beem a number of different rational arguments for the existance of God- for instance the cosmological argument is that there must be a creator- as somthing must have caused the universe. This thing would have to be beyond the unviverse and not of it or it would be part of an infintite chain of causality as opposed to a first cause. This is of course proof, evena assuming you accept it, of a first cause beyond existance. However if this being, this cause, was beyond the universe and caused the universe, it would be trancendent- that is what trancendant means- and so it would not be subject to the assumptions and restrictions that are readily available in our universe. Reason in this case leads us to a space marked 'somthing beyond reason is here.' That is the limitation of reason. It is beholden to the logic that came into being at the beggining of time, but anything before it is beyond it. It indicates its own area of limitation.
Empirically- I have beheld things with my senses that have convinced me that God exists. By your own description of empircal proof, that which we experiance with our senses is proof. I have not, for instance, seen God among all his angels, but then again you haven't had the pleasre of meeting napolean. Do you doubt his existance? Or do you accept that we can experiance confirmation of a things existance without experiancing the thing itself. If that is so you have not explained the nature of that confirmation.

that which we experiance with our senses is proof

By your own description of empircal proof, that which we experiance with our senses is proof.

And yet when I said I would accept the same, you called my worldview limited and fragile. How is it that you will accept empirical proof for yourself, but for everyone else, our senses are not sufficient to allow any kind of empirical truth to be trusted?

OK I will.
Open your eyes.
There you go.

My eyes are open and I do not see god. I see quantum theory, waves and particles, energy passing through and holding particles together. I se a wonderful world of science and possibility in which I can create my own universe but I see nothing of your God's True form.

I wish to talk with God and hear him respond, see god in his true form, touch him, smell him, experience his company in a one on one environment. Do this and I will believe in your God.

You asked to be shown god's 'true form', but that could just as easily be reality.

So you don't know what God's true form is?

I thought God made man in his image? So where is this God? If man was made in his image than God is a physical being. He resides somewhere. I wish to meet him. That will prove his existence. That would be the only thing that could.