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I will prove god's existence if....

 
 
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Reply Tue 25 Nov, 2008 09:49 am
@avatar6v7,
avatar6v7 wrote:
wrong. his image refers to our free will, our mastery of our world.

Oh, I see. So now we were not made in his image but his perverbial image. So wait.. How did you come to this conclusion? Funny, I don't remember that definition in the bible.
ciceronianus
 
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Reply Tue 25 Nov, 2008 10:00 am
@avatar6v7,
Wait a minute. There is something missing from avatar6v7's proof: "Q.E.D." There! Now, that's a proof! Smile
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Reply Tue 25 Nov, 2008 10:22 am
@Icon,
Icon wrote:
Oh, I see. So now we were not made in his image but his perverbial image. So wait.. How did you come to this conclusion? Funny, I don't remember that definition in the bible.

Who said I took the bible litreally.
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Reply Tue 25 Nov, 2008 01:19 pm
@avatar6v7,
avatar6v7 wrote:
Who said I took the bible litreally.

So the bible is subject to your interpretation? If that is the case then you cannot prove God because you don't even have a constant. You may be able to prove what you think God is but that is by NO means a proof of God the constant.
avatar6v7
 
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Reply Tue 25 Nov, 2008 01:28 pm
@Icon,
Icon wrote:
So the bible is subject to your interpretation? If that is the case then you cannot prove God because you don't even have a constant. You may be able to prove what you think God is but that is by NO means a proof of God the constant.

who said a book sets the constant for the enitre universe? whos being nonsensical now?:sarcastic:
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Reply Tue 25 Nov, 2008 01:35 pm
@avatar6v7,
avatar6v7 wrote:
who said a book sets the constant for the enitre universe? whos being nonsensical now?
Description...describe your god...please... so we can ascertain our necessity for evidence
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Reply Tue 25 Nov, 2008 01:44 pm
@xris,
xris wrote:
Description...describe your god...please... so we can ascertain our necessity for evidence

My view of God is the christian one- a trinitarian, immanent, trancendent, omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenovolant being that created the universe. Is there any further description you want?
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Reply Tue 25 Nov, 2008 01:45 pm
@xris,
To prove a god without description....this is after a bottle of red...circumstantial evidence is it appropriate ? Circumstantial evidence is all we have this as has been exposed by the lack of real evidence..
What is circumstantial and is it relevant....our position in the cosmos..our ability to ponder without evidence...our humanity...our inability to not discount the soul or prove our conscious mind is not party to our brain...our inability to understand our desire for eternity...why do we philosophize for no apparent benefit...these things give me a clue that not everything is so clearly defined..excuse my red wine thinking..
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Reply Tue 25 Nov, 2008 01:49 pm
@xris,
xris wrote:
To prove a god without description....this is after a bottle of red...circumstantial evidence is it appropriate ? Circumstantial evidence is all we have this as has been exposed by the lack of real evidence..
What is circumstantial and is it relevant....our position in the cosmos..our ability to ponder without evidence...our humanity...our inability to not discount the soul or prove our conscious mind is not party to our brain...our inability to understand our desire for eternity...why do we philosophize for no apparent benefit...these things give me a clue that not everything is so clearly defined..excuse my red wine thinking..

sober thyself!!!!:perplexed:
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Reply Tue 25 Nov, 2008 01:52 pm
@avatar6v7,
Come now, alcohol can make for very interesting, though incoherent, conversation.
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Reply Tue 25 Nov, 2008 01:57 pm
@Icon,
Icon wrote:
Come now, alcohol can make for very interesting, though incoherent, conversation.

it helps if both people are drunk, and I haven't yet had the pleasure this evening.
xris
 
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Reply Tue 25 Nov, 2008 02:01 pm
@avatar6v7,
avatar6v7 wrote:
it helps if both people are drunk, and I haven't yet had the pleasure this evening.
are you saying im talking interesting hollocks? got to go to the cellar now to find another asncient red....
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Reply Tue 25 Nov, 2008 02:04 pm
@xris,
xris wrote:
are you saying im talking interesting hollocks? got to go to the cellar now to find another asncient red....

what you will need to find, come the morrow, is a hangover cure.
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Reply Tue 25 Nov, 2008 02:10 pm
@avatar6v7,
avatar6v7 wrote:
My proof is not of the kind you will like. But it is proof established by a rational logic. Answer my questions and we will see.


If it is a proof no one will mind.

avatar6v7 wrote:
you tell me what kind of proof you require, and why it is proof at all.
So post away and we will see if we prove or disprove anything by the end of it. :shifty:


I want proof established by a rational logic. Because it is that type that you consider proof.
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Reply Tue 25 Nov, 2008 02:26 pm
@validity,
validity wrote:
If it is a proof no one will mind.



I want proof established by a rational logic. Because it is that type that you consider proof.

so.....why?:listening:
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Reply Tue 25 Nov, 2008 02:44 pm
@avatar6v7,
Because it is not irrational nor illogical.
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Reply Tue 25 Nov, 2008 02:46 pm
@avatar6v7,
Have we gotten anywhere at all here?? In 12 pages of this thread??

You began the thread with the following:

I will prove god's existence if you tell me what kind of proof you require, and why it is proof at all.

You have been offered a whole list of the kinds of proof various people require and why we consider it proof. But you haven't once accepted your own challenge to prove god's existence.

All you're doing is trying to undermine the kind of proof we say we require, rather than fulfilling your half of the challenge.

Are you intentionally trying to waste everyone's time?
validity
 
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Reply Tue 25 Nov, 2008 02:53 pm
@avatar6v7,
Which is why I thought a suitable resolution to this thread would be to say the proof I require is the proof that avatar6v7 has. If avatar6v7 wont accept that the proof I require is proof, then avatar6v7 accepts that avatar6v7 has no proof.
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Reply Tue 25 Nov, 2008 02:54 pm
@Aedes,
Aedes wrote:
Have we gotten anywhere at all here?? In 12 pages of this thread??

You began the thread with the following:

I will prove god's existence if you tell me what kind of proof you require, and why it is proof at all.

You have been offered a whole list of the kinds of proof various people require and why we consider it proof. But you haven't once accepted your own challenge to prove god's existence.

All you're doing is trying to undermine the kind of proof we say we require, rather than fulfilling your half of the challenge.

Are you intentionally trying to waste everyone's time?

No but there have been about three actual responses meeting the terms of the thread, and only one that did it in any depth, and none of my objections to any of them were answered.
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Reply Tue 25 Nov, 2008 02:56 pm
@avatar6v7,
avatar6v7 wrote:
No but there have been about three actual responses meeting the terms of the thread, and only one that did it in any depth, and none of my objections to any of them were answered.

You can only beat a dead horse so long before your arm gets tired.
 

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