So you think we are alone in this infinite universe?

Are you just skipping over all the evidence I have presented?!? It's like you are blind to the facts and you always go back to your one little stupid argument "there is no evidence", when infact there are vast amounts of evidence that, when examined and analylized, show, clearly, that these things aren't your normal "space debri". What do I have to do? I assume there is nothing I can do to get people like you to wake up to the truth, you just don't want to change your understanding of reality, you don't want your comfortable little world to crumble around you. Of course I do not believe in God, there is no evidence!!! There are not hundreds of highly respectable, high status and highly stable people testifying to the existance of God, there is not hundreds of hours of footage containing God, and unlike religion, the investigation of UFO's is not a thriving business that makes billions every year!!!

I couldn't have used a more solid line of scientific reasoning, can you see any faults in it?!?

MY EVIDENCE -

1.Existance of Aliens: All the footage (inluding NASA footage) and wittnesses.
2.Genetic Manipulation: The lack of fossils filling in the links for the human species.
3.Their Studies: I'm just guessing, which is the best anyone can do here, but since they havn't invaded Earth and I cannot really see a reason they would, not that intelligent beings would condone such violence, I think they are merely studying us.
4.Underground Infastructure: Area 51 is a good example, it obviously goes undeground, plus there are numerous other secret, underground locations around the world. I think we can all acknowledge the fact that the Government does keep secrets, which just makes it all the more likely.

Dont do a lot for me im afraid and i was hoping it would. The first clip, nasa say its ice crystal glowing in the suns rays , so are you saying they are wrong..Second clip you have no explaination from nasa but a guy who has made his mind up they are aliens showing of.What does nasa say about this clip?

Ice crystals? How does that work exactly? How about when the camera zooms in, and we can clearly see several of these crafts pass behind the tether? Estimates say they are 2-3 miles in diameter....I'm not sure what ice crystals look like, but if they do get that big, why do they all look like they are made of energy, why do they pulsate, why do they all look the same, a circle with a black center and a small notch cut out of the side? That's quiet peculiar...and I'm not sure what crap NASA has come up with for the second video, but why do they not get pulled into the Earths gravitational field, and why do they seem to be doing something intelligent? Notice the one shoot past, close to camera as it moves towards Earth, looks quiet similar to the ones from the first piece of footage doesn't it? They all move into a formation above the Earth and increase their luminosity dramatically...also quite peculiar. I didn't really chose that video because it had that guy talking about it, in fact, I didn't really listen to what he was saying, I was only interested in finding that sequence. I am currently looking for two other controversial pieces of footage, in the first, an object is seen streaking across the surface of the Earth and disappearing as it reaches the horizon, and keeps going around the other side of the Earth, estimates place it at about half a mile wide. In the second scene, objects are seen leaving the Earths atmosphere, while at the same time, one object makes an impossible turn, in which the G forces would cause an instant explosion of space crystals or comets, they are in perfect focus and appear to leave trails behind them, which no normal piece of space dust will do, it is clear these objects are at a great distance from the camera, they are not pieces of space dust floating past the camera, which is about the only logical answer, other than UFO's.

Look im only being honest here..I dont know how far away those ice crystals are they dont seem to have any purpose in their movements and are you saying all of them are alien craft there are hundreds of them..The second one i dont know but what does nasa say we must have their explaination before we can judge surely..If it was so obviously alien would it not be headline news..dont you think nasa if they where hidding something they would not of allowed this footage??TOO MANY IFS..

Well, some obviously pass behind the tether, therefor, we can use the tether as a measuring device, and assuming they are right behind the tether, they are between 2-3 miles wide, the largest UFO's captured on NASA footage....and there are heaps, because they were swarming the tether, investigating it, NASA also reported that some electronic settings had changed, settings only adjustable by remote control, but lets not get into this. Comets and space crystals shouldn't even be visible in space until they start burning up in our atmosphere, and start letting off light, I assume this is why they are claiming they were ice crystals glowing in sun, one could also say, that's an awful lot of ice crystals floating around, and there are not hundreds, a lot of what you see are stars, you know, the ones that don't move relative to each other...The last point I want to make, is ice crystals shouldn't even even exist in space, the extreme radiation from the sun should instantly cause the ice to melt, and vaporize in a furry of nuclear reactions and transmutations...also, do not trust NASA, what ever you do, if the existence of UFO's, well Alien space crafts, was considered a risk to national security, they would take all measures to avoid letting the public know.

Oh, and if you don't know this, this footage is from a while ago when they started doing live feeds using the cameras that could see into the lower light spectrum, which these crafts are only visible in, well most of the time, they are highly quantized energy crafts, making them capable of faster than light space travel (if you want a better description of the physics, I suggest you watch this, might take a while to get to it). Evidence: The Case For NASA UFO's - Part 2
Shortly after, NASA stopped doing live feeds...also peculiar.

Im trying hard to concentrate on this but the images show a very large amount of these so called ufos but they are smaller haphazard in their movements and not oscillating the same as the ones that are bigger and less mobile.What are they? are you telling me these are all ufos the commentator does not even mention them..The tether is not solid as he explains it is a electro static field that is not solid so how can these so called solid objects be seen passing behind something that is not soild.
Ive tried to work out what his on about with his cosmic clock..how does he work out that when you look at a galaxy the light is spiralling down to its centre..it baffles me..Maybe you can help..Ill watch the rest later when you have helped me with these questions..

Yes, most are UFO's, there are a lot aren't there? Though some might just be comets or something explainable, but if there were that amount debris floating around in space, especially that large, it would not be safe at all to send rockets and satellite out of our atmosphere, a tiny spec of debris can cause major damage. The larger ones just make it easier for us to examine the oscillations, the smaller ones might use slightly different mechanisms. It's the most UFO's ever caught on film, they seemed to be very interested in that tether. It should be quiet obvious why the commentator doesn't comment on them, but I'm sure he does, in the long pauses, I suspect they use a secret, highly encrypted communication channel, that we don't get to hear. The tether is most certainty solid, it just shouldn't look that thick, but the scientists realized it was because it was highly charged, and the electrostatic field created around the tether becomes visible in the sun light, this is why they ask why it looks so thick, from such a distance.
He's just saying it gives insight to the formation of the galaxies, why they have black holes in the center, and why they have the spiraling shape. I do not really understand his theory properly, but I have just found a 60 page PDF file on his theory (to big to attach, so I uploaded it here: MEGAUPLOAD - The leading online storage and file delivery service), which I have yet to read. It took an abnormal amount of effort to find, as it didn't seem to exist where it supposedly use to be, if you find the page where it is said to be on Google, and chose to view it in HTML, it seems to work, but the last 10 or so pages were missing and the pictures weren't showing, but I eventually found the full PDF version. It isn't actually a PDF format, it is a "P file", not sure what that is, but it works fine in Acrobat Reader.

Are you just skipping over all the evidence I have presented?!?

It's like you are blind to the facts and you always go back to your one little stupid argument "there is no evidence"

when infact there are vast amounts of evidence that, when examined and analylized, show, clearly, that these things aren't your normal "space debri".

What do I have to do?

I assume there is nothing I can do to get people like you to wake up to the truth, you just don't want to change your understanding of reality

you don't want your comfortable little world to crumble around you.

Of course I do not believe in God,

there is no evidence!!! There are not hundreds of highly respectable, high status and highly stable people testifying to the existance of God

scientific reasoning behind what these objects may be

the evidence made the point so clear in my mind

If we had the same amount of supposed visitations of god in the skies or appearances of the holy mary in dreams would the church scoff ,would those who criticising this thread be so pugnacious.

I guess I'll just denounce everything you just said as bluntly as possible:

1.) There are hundreds of highly respectable, high status and highly stable people testifying to the existence of God. In fact, there are even scientists that are religious - a good interview is in the recent film "Religulous". You can probably find some on youtube, also.

2.) There is much footage concerning miracles, religious events, and other "God-given" occurrences that are considered 'proof' or 'evidence'. Some of the methods for observing or evaluating supernatural existence are considered nothing more than pseudoscience, but they do exist. Some are scientific, but interpret the facts to a desired result - like we've seen here.

Additionally, there is a whole other bracket only dealing with historical facts of the Bible, Jesus, and so on, predominantly relying on science (And, of course, it doesn't just stop at Christianity). So, science can't prove that Jesus healed people, but it can potentially prove his existence (not saying it has, but science as a means, can). To say religion is completely devoid of any scientific thought is just silly.

3.) If you don't believe there is a business behind the investigation of UFO's you're very, very naive. Here's an article concerning the Alien Commercialization of Roswell: Alien Commercialization of Roswell by Dennis Balthaser. Would you eat at "Crash Site Cafe"? Sure you would! If you'd like, I can dig up some more accurate monetary estimates made by the selling of 'alien paraphenalia'.

Maybe you may rebutt saying that the link I presented isn't a credible source, and that's fair. Next time I go into a toy store, or venture down to Area 51 area, I'll take some pictures as 'evidence'. Sure, "Aliens" don't cash in as money as "God" every year, but that's only because the notion of "God" applies profound meaning to ones life, so naturally it will get more attention!



GHOST, This is what you've said your evidence is:



#3 and #4 are complete speculation. There is no denying this. #3 and #4 are not backed by scientific fact, or even skewed scientific understanding. #2 was explained to you in your last thread, and it appeared that you understood (I'm sure there is someone that can even better articulate the scientific perspective concerning this). And that leaves #1, the footage and psuedo-science you seem so adamant in defending. I've already gone over 3 of the videos with you in another one of my posts, trying to show the extrapolation, but it doesn't seem to register with you. I will not make up more theories for you to speculate with, as that would be defeating the very purpose with which I speak, so stop asking.

In the end, I'm sorry GHOST, but I can hardly call this: "A solid line of scientific reasoning".

I think you have many valid points but to say Jesus can be proved scientificaly is not true and to say because certain people are making money out of ufos it therefore makes it dishonest is not really fair.The church and all the faiths employ millions to substantiate its claims, are they dishonest ? You are inclined not to take any evidence that might be put before you as proof that we have something to be examined.Take for instance the ice crystals are you sure they are what nasa say they are ? i dont know, are you sure everything nasa tells you is the honest truth?I doubt those objects are ufos but i would also doubt they are ice crystals.My reasoning is that we do have ufos , but what they defines them as is there title ufos.

I was merely pointing out that, yes, there is a money-making business behind the investigation of UFO's, point blank (it was a direct response to his statement that there wasn't).

This 'proof, 'evidence', falls in line much the same with what I've seen here thus far - an extrapolation to a desired end.

I never said I discredit the existence of aliens merely on that claim, for that would be a fallacy in logic. I was merely pointing out that, yes, there is a money-making business behind the investigation of UFO's, point blank (it was a direct response to his statement that there wasn't). I've stated more than one time that I think it's improbable we are the only intelligent life in the universe, but I do not choose to hold onto any claim, for or against aliens at this time.

As for Jesus, you can see the work being done here: Historicity of Jesus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Him as a person hasn't been proven by archeological evidence yet (as I pointed out in my initial post, I didn't say he was). Some people regard the claim of Jesus' existence as merely a 'dead thesis', while others argue on his behalf. I don't care who's right - the point is, religious figures are put through just as much scrutiny via scientific methods as many other claims are, and there can be 'evidence' 'proving' the actions of a religious figure (of course, their actions are always, always up for debate obviously). This 'proof, 'evidence', falls in line much the same with what I've seen here thus far - an extrapolation to a desired end. If they want to believe Jesus existed and rose the dead, they'll find what they're looking for. Likewise, if they want aliens to exist, they'll also find what they're looking for. And, just for the record, just in case you didn't know, it can be proven that a person existed through archeological evidence (this is what I meant when I said, as a means, science could prove Jesus' existence).

I supposed this might have been mentioned in this long thread but here is my input anyway

Jesus said In my Fathers House are many mansions and I go to prepare a place for you there etc

Maybe the mansions are other worlds or other dimensions, but it seems to me he was indicating that humanity are not the only life in the universe

I supposed this might have been mentioned in this long thread but here is my input anyway

Jesus said In my Fathers House are many mansions and I go to prepare a place for you there etc

Maybe the mansions are other worlds or other dimensions, but it seems to me he was indicating that humanity are not the only life in the universe

1.) There are hundreds of highly respectable, high status and highly stable people testifying to the existence of God. In fact, there are even scientists that are religious - a good interview is in the recent film "Religulous". You can probably find some on youtube, also.

2.) There is much footage concerning miracles, religious events, and other "God-given" occurrences that are considered 'proof' or 'evidence'. Some of the methods for observing or evaluating supernatural existence are considered nothing more than pseudoscience, but they do exist. Some are scientific, but interpret the facts to a desired result - like we've seen here.

and i always thought he meant holiday villas in Costa Lot you have really upset me now.

and i always thought he meant holiday villas in Costa Lot you have really upset me now.

2.The hundreds of highly respactable, high status, highly stable and highly intelligent people

3.The huge bulk of America and the rest of the world that have seen such crafts or extraterestrial enities and the cases where huge amounts of people have seen them at the same time.

4.The hundreds, if not thousands of historic and religous records that either directly say Aliens exist and have visited Earth, or just suggest it in some way.

True, but it's nonsense, assuming its that clip you posted on here.

Attention-seeking, money lurking, barbarous claims.... also subjective

I am still confused though. Why would the aliens be secretly working with the government? Assuming there was a rational context in which to interact, what motive could there be for the aliens in keeping to the government, and not being seen by the public?

If aliens were working with the government secretly, then it must be for logical reasons. Why is there the assumption it's a bad thing? Besides, any alien sentience, if able to travel as far as to be able to interact with us would consider us humans to be ants would it not seem? (Though this claim would be fallacious)

So you must come to realize through the subjective symmetry (the fact you get this uniform evidence throughout time only makes it clearer, more blatant) that this is no longer science. The infalsifiability of aliens is assumed in the 'quest' (it seems to be your appropriate word) to establish their existence. Only psychology helps now. Not to mention, one cannot assume the potential these aliens have before knowing whether the existence is there.