The idea that the Jews are God's chosen people?

I think the issue that is involved here is not that some one is better

but the fact that a group (nazi) and jews (zionist) have a few that they are more special and deserve certain things.

we dont like nazi because of there nationalist points of view

why shouldn't we disagree with zionism?

specifically when we talk about throwing people out of israel because jews ought be in that land

this is the fundemantl belif of zionism, which support by the belief that a ethnic group deserves a land. this makes them superior to the people who were on the land

Jews were kicked out of several countries in the Past. Spain, Iran, Iraq, Israel, France...

Why is it that the whole world had a beef with Jews ?

Because of arrogant people like you that spread hatred?

Because God places hatred in the hearts of the Nations so that the Jews will return to their God.

"4,25 [...]
Deuteronomy

And I'm sure you forgot a few countries.

And Arabs were not very friendly with Jews even before the Zionist movement.

Also oppressed or forced out from Greece, Cyprus, Arabia, Germany, Egypt, England, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Austria, Morocco, Italy (Rome, Naples, Sicily, Genoa) Lithuania, Portugal, Tunisia, Ukraine, Russia, Algeria, Denmark, Latvia, Hungary, Romania, Mongolia, Libya.

Wow, that's a lot of countries in which Jews got oppressed and a lot of different cultures. You got Russia and Ukraine, Spain and Portugal, Hungary and Romania, Latvia and Libya ....

That's a lot of different cultures and religions. I understand the Palestinians and the Arabs there because Jews are taking their land, but what about the rest ?

Why is it that the whole world had a beef with Jews ? Is it that the whole world is envious of Israel being God's Chosen Nation ? Or is it that Jews are greedy gold hoarding cheap persons who use religion as motive for taking land and who stop at nothing for making money ?

Hmmm... I guess everybody is envious cuz God loves Jews more.

You're saying arrogant people like me spread the hate God has planted. I logically conclude that behind Hitler's hate of Jewish people was God's will. :a-ok:

your country men need to know that Americas support for israel is gonna start slowing down when this young generation starts getting older

First of all it is OUR country my brother. Secondly we don't need America. I don't care what the world thinks of us.
According to Prophecy the entire world will come against Israel in the end of days. They will all gather for war and will be destroyed. Of course I dont want this to happen, but if they come to destroy us they will see what will happen.

I was in the Army and it is immoral what we are doing. Not to the Arabs but to ourselves.

King David used to decimate his enemies in war so that they would think twice about starting again.
Moses destroyed an entire village because they kidnapped a Gentile girl that was with us in the desert.
Shimon and Levi Destroyed an entire village because their prince kidnapped SHimon and Levi's sister.

Two weeks ago on Shabbat an Arab burned down a house in a religious village and stabbed a boy 7 times.
It was the first time this ever happened in Israel that 100 people from the village walked over to the Arab village a few kilometers away and began destroying property and beating Arabs. Of course on CNN they say that Jews waged a Pogrom on an Arab village and mentioned nothing about the Boy that is in a Coma and the house they burned down.
But this is what should be happening. Instead of beating them we should be doing a lot worse. This way they will think twice the next time they decide to do something like this.

First of all it is OUR country my brother. Secondly we don't need America. I don't care what the world thinks of us.
According to Prophecy the entire world will come against Israel in the end of days. They will all gather for war and will be destroyed. Of course I dont want this to happen, but if they come to destroy us they will see what will happen.
The war of Gog and Magog.
I know what happens here. I was in the Army and it is immoral what we are doing. Not to the Arabs but to ourselves.
Comanders say "It is better that we all die than one civilian getting hurt"
This is rediculous. This is why Arabs feel so free to attack us, because they don't fear what we will do to them. They know that we will come into their house and they will jump from their roof to their neighbour's and we wont be able to touch them. And even if they do get caught they will be released.
King David used to decimate his enemies in war so that they would think twice about starting again.
Moses destroyed an entire village because they kidnapped a Gentile girl that was with us in the desert.
Shimon and Levi Destroyed an entire village because their prince kidnapped SHimon and Levi's sister.

Instead of decimating our enemy we give them more guns. My worst moment in the Army was when I had to sit at a checkpost and watch the Israeli government give Klachnekovs to the PLO that drove in from Jericho. A convoy of 10 vehicles came and took 5 crates of weapons. I was waiting and hoping that they would attack us then and there so that we could take them all out. I simply know that those weapons will be used to kill Jews.

Two weeks ago on Shabbat an Arab burned down a house in a religious village and stabbed a boy 7 times.
It was the first time this ever happened in Israel that 100 people from the village walked over to the Arab village a few kilometers away and began destroying property and beating Arabs. Of course on CNN they say that Jews waged a Pogrom on an Arab village and mentioned nothing about the Boy that is in a Coma and the house they burned down.
But this is what should be happening. Instead of beating them we should be doing a lot worse. This way they will think twice the next time they decide to do something like this.
We are not Christians, and Turning the other cheek never works. King David never once turned the other Cheek.

I am proud of Israels accomplishments in science, and intellectuality, i just wish that one day Arabs and us Jews can sit together and live in harmony in the holy land.

I know arabs have the worst reputation for anything in the middle east, but we reach out and involve them in a secular government we can live together. And make sure that kahanists, Islamic terrorists, or christian fundamentalist don't destroy it.

even though the temple might not be built right away it may in a later point

I also wish for peace, but nothing we have done has helped. The day after we withdrew from Gaza they launched Missiles into Israel from there. The town of Sederot is now a Ghost town because it has been bombarded by Missiles in the last 2 years.

We give them everything and they use it against us. What solution is there? It is easy to criticize but do you have another solution?

600 missiles a year have been shot into Israel since the withdrawal from Gaza.

Was it good that Israeli forces were in Gaza? They haven't shown us that the withdrawal was a good idea yet.

They say "If you want peace, give us land" What this means is "If you don't give us land, there will be war"

Why cant we co-exist you ask?
The answer is we can, but not if the other side's slogan is "we will drive them into the ocean"

Is that Co-existing? They co-exist in our neighborhoods and kill us, and we are not permitted into theirs.

Immoral is risking my life to capture a Terrorist when he will be set free a week later. Immoral is risking my life going into his house when we could send in an armoured bulldozer to teardown his house if he refused to come out and give himself up.
Immoral to tear down a house you ask? Should have thought about that before stabbing 3 people and smuggling weapons from Egypt.

And King David brought a generation of peace to the world. His son King Solomon was the King of the Greatest Kingdom of the time and Married a princess from every nation. This was all because of the respect and admiration the world had for King David and the way he waged war. He would show his enemy the respect by burying their dead. He handed over jewish royalty that was to blame for the breaking of a vow and the nation hung them. But he also knew that no one could get away with murder or they would do it again.

Jews do not settle in Arab land.

All of the settlements were started in a Dessert or Barren area and are made to bloom and flourish. No Arabs are there. Yet once the area has been made nice Arabs begin saying "That was my land, I lived there and they tore down my house."

ariciunervos - I disagree. In fact, you will find many people, Arab and Jewish, saying essentially what I am saying about peace in the region.

Also, you generalize about the Israeli spiritual position - and I think this is a mistake. Zionism was begun by secular Jews wanting nothing to do with religion.



Really? What about the group of Kookists, with the help of Moshe Levinger, who tried to create a garin (a "seed" or nucleus for a settlement) in a railway depot near the Arab town of Nablus on the West Bank? Elon Moreh, I believe it was called. The settlement was renamed Kedamim.

And again - has the Israeli Army never committed a single immoral act? Not a single one?

Very good information, but the key word is "tried" Arabs didn't allow it. They dont want Jews living amoung them. Elon Moreh is another place altogether. Very beautiful settlement I must say.

And I just posted a video of the Army's Immoral act of kicking Jews out of their homes.
Of course they commited them.
I witnessed the Army giving weapons to the PLO. These weapons will used to kill Jews. I consider this a very immoral act.
And the Israeli Government releases terrorists all the time, this is very immoral. The most moral thing would be to execute them all.

Should we find these guys and execute them as well?

Course not. The difference is that they are Jewish Prisoners and not Arab Prisoners. If the Arabs caught them and punished them according to their laws, then that is one thing, but we caught them and stopped them ourselves.
Our goal is just to reform them so that they don't try it again.

Course not. The difference is that they are Jewish Prisoners and not Arab Prisoners. If the Arabs caught them and punished them according to their laws, then that is one thing, but we caught them and stopped them ourselves.
Our goal is just to reform them so that they don't try it again.