@Didymos Thomas,
Didymos Thomas wrote:But to make generalizations based on some nation's politics misses the point, as well. Not all Arabs want Israel off the map.
How do you know? The Arabs here pretty much do. The only ones who don't are the Drews but they hate the Arabs.
Do you know what Arab culture is? Real Arab culture? I'm not talking about individual arabs, I'm talking about their national culture. Terrorists are not individuals, they are part of the organized whole. Children are brought up thinking that terrorists are national heroes. Whenever a successful attack occurs, do you hear the Arab parties. I tell you that I see the fireworks from Jerusalem. But I am not discriminating, I have met plenty of Arabs here and in Canada. The ones here are very different. I worked with them in construction while I was still a student, and I checked hundreds of them at checkpoints while I was in the army. Even the most righteous of them, the ones that want peace, the ones that sat by the checkpoints talking to us for hours beleive that Israel is an evil entity.
Didymos Thomas wrote:As for the past, in the past the US fought massive wars against Germany and Japan. But in the present, Germany and Japan are two of the US closest allies. Just because a nation has been hostile does not mean a nation is still hostile.
There is a concept in Islam that is as follows:
All of the lands that were once in Muslim Hands and were taken away, must be reconqured.
And another one:
All those who have shamed Muslims in war must be destroyed for they have shamed the great one above.
Perhaps this is not an individual beleif but it is a National one.
But I don't even know what the point of this discussion is.
Didymos Thomas wrote:Besides, the racial discrimination was about the discrimination between Jewish and Arab prisoners. The Arabs are executed the Jews spend a few years in prison, all for exactly the same crime.
That's the difference. ARABS ARE NOT EXECUTED!!! they are all set free. They are set free every day. We had missions cancelled while I was in the Army because the Jails were too full and they had no more room for all of the Terrorists we were catching.
I was the one that said that we should be executing them. We can only kill them if we catch them in the act of attacking someone and even then we are instructed to shoot them in the legs or the shoulder first.
And it's not the same crime at all! The Non-Israeli, Arab Terrorist is committing an act of international warfare. They are coming onto Israeli soil and attacking us. This is an act of war.
A Jew that is about to attack Arabs and happens to be stopped by the Israeli military or police is caught by his own nation and did not commit an act of war against the nation of Israel.
In the old days King David would give Jews like this over to the enemy so that they could execute them but of course, even then, King David never executed someone himself.
Didymos Thomas wrote:What are you talking about? So far I've given you an example of Jewish settlement displacing Arabs, and then I provided a link with plenty of information about the displacement of Arabs in Israel.
The site is bogus, and what settlement? There is no such settlement!
Didymos Thomas wrote:Arabs, as a matter of fact, have been displaced by the state of Israel. Maybe this is okay, maybe not, but it certainly has happened in the past.
It's not fact! It never happened. I will give you an example of a place where Arabs were so called "displaced"
Kibbutz Kfar Etzion. It was a Jewish settlement before the establishment of the state. When the state was established and the United Nations decided what the boarders of Israel were to be, Kfar Etzion was outside of the line. The Arabs then decided to attack Kfar Etzion because it was outside of Israeli territory (even though no Arabs lived there and it wasn't bothering anyone). They slaughtered the entire village and there were only two survivors. And My wife's unkle was one of them. They threw a grenade into a bunker where women and children were hiding.
My wife's unkle was thought dead and the Jordanians threw him with the rest of the dead.
A few years later, Israel "Displaced" the Arabs living in this village. And re-established it as a Jewish village.
This is one example of many, of the so called "Displacement" of Arabs.
Most of the Arabs, however, that were "Displaced" fled during wartime of their own volition. Such as the Arabs in Haifa which was and still is an Arab and Jewish City. A great percentage got scared and ran away to Jordan. Afterwards many came back and re-claimed their homes but some of them did not return. The ones that never returned are called "Displaced" Arabs.
Didymos Thomas wrote:Who cares if the issue is international or not? The incident may be national or international, but if the difference in punishment for criminals is based upon race, that's racial discrimination.
Not based on race but on NATION. And this is my oppinion. It is not the way the Israeli government acts today. Jews are usually punished worse for crimes than Arabs are. This is the reality today.
A french that comes to America to kill Americans may be treated worse (as a war criminal) than an American that tries to go to france to kill the french. This is not racial discrimination. This is a NATIONAL ISSUE.
Didymos Thomas wrote:Maybe execution is fair, I'm not debating capital punishment. I'm pointing out the fact that the state of Israel is more lenient for Jews, and imposes harsher punishments on Arabs.
Further, not all Arab terrorists come from outside of Israel. Some are internal. Yet, in these cases the Arabs are also executed, while Jews receive comparatively minor punishment.
False! I already answered this above. Jews are given worse punishment, and Arabs are not executed.
But yes, recently more and more terrorists are Israeli-Arabs.
