A Cold Hell

And as surely as man made ivory horses it seemed suddenly obvious someone made him and the world he found himself in - an artificer of the world, an all powerful Creator-God.

If you think the question of "Why was X made?" is irrelevant, I'm not sure what to tell you.

DT,



It's an evolutionary development, it doesn't have a reason. But this is one of those sideissues I'm not willing to get into right now, and especially with you. Your intent is not kind.

iconoclast.

Since when do you value kind intent?

The artifact-artificer relationship is well understood.

I await your next dive into deep waters -

Z

1. (I have this mindset where I feel it's 'wrong' or presumptuous to bind to a set of morals)...

2. Instead of acknowledging that I am a being that will change, I feel as though I must build an immediate house now to use for the entirety of my lifetime!

It's an evolutionary development, it doesn't have a reason. But this is one of those sideissues I'm not willing to get into right now, and especially with you. Your intent is not kind.

Once man realized [the artefact-artificer relationship] he applied it to explain his existence in the world - and inferred the existence of an artificer, creator of himself and the natural world, i.e. God.

If you don't understand the difference between false comfort and kind intent, and if you think the argument so far is worthy of such a dissmissive response I think I'll just move my argument somehwere else - and what will your thread be about then?

You'd best get really lost and upset again.

bye.

iconoclast.

Here is the contradiction that is pulling you apart. A Yea or Nay as the the existence of absolute "truth" will at least give you a direction home. If objective (or even subjective?) truth exists (option 2), then look for it and learn to apply it rigorously to your life. If truth does not exist (option 1), then learn to stop looking for (or inventing) roadsigns that aren't there.

I'd go for option 1, but it's your show.

If I go with option 1, how can I even live... period?

I mean, the whole point of this journey, I would have thought, was to come to some truth. If I live with the realization there is no truth, then I should go outside, murder an old lady, watch the movie 300 eight times, strip naked, donate to a charity, apply for a prominent accounting position, all in one day. Never should I address morals, values, or the mundane activities associated with much of society. If no reasons matter, and I go with number 1, I have no reason to live. And if I have no reason to live, I sure as hell won't waste the rest of my existence pondering anything even psuedo-intellectual. Why?

I may as well just go out, fcuk, drink, and smoke as much weed as my body will allow until my consciousness drifts away and I die (and no, this isn't an over exaggeration - in fact, many of my peers actually live in this manner).

Believing a truth exists, objective or subjective, allows me to function. It gives me purpose. If there is no greater fulfillment or reason for having lived the examined life, why lead it? The only thing my peers worry of are mundane issues regarding work life, drama issues regarding the opposite sex, and primarily focus on achieving a state of happiness at any given time. They scream, "Let's go out and get laid", while I scream, "Let's ponder the existence of sparticles". Maybe they have the "right", the most sane, philosophy - lessen pain. seek happiness. die.

I've re-read what you wrote and it still sounds like you're mocking my effort - short, sarcastic, dimissive. You didn't find anything in that post worthy of more than three short lines??? So feeling unwelcome I left.

Zetherin,

I've re-read what you wrote and it still sounds like you're mocking my effort - short, sarcastic, dimissive. You didn't find anything in that post worthy of more than three short lines??? So feeling unwelcome I left. When I posted the article in another thread three people replied and they had a great deal to say about it.

iconoclast.

I'll respond to your edits, too.



Or you could live a good life. It's your fcuking decision, though.



I'd say your friends do have the better philosophy. Looking for truth is not easy, but it doesn't have to be a root canal, either. And you know...you can still look for truth even if you know it doesn't exist in a form that is perfectly intelligible. Living an interesting life is the best way to seek truth, anyway, not curling up with Immanuel Kant, or any other dead virgins. What is it with ascetics and their hatred of women, anyway?

you can still look for truth even if you know it doesn't exist in a form that is perfectly intelligible.

Well, a defined latissimus dorsi is hard to come by for a woman. Perhaps this is where the distaste for women arouses. I mean, everyone hates a female bodybuilding competition, especially if it's perceived as a deterrence to the mind-body transformation.

Let's not even get on feminists. Oh God do I hate them.

Brilliant!

I don't. Those girls are in better shape than I am. Better health. Good health is... good, right?

What's wrong with sexual equality?

I wish I had understood what that actually means. It sounds very insightful, but I actually don't know why you should seek a truth that isn't intelligible. Care to help me with this one?

I personally would rather see a male bodybuilding competition. But here's another example of 'women have to do everything males do, despite how silly it may seem'.