What Is Your Problem With Anarchy?

There will always be those who are afraid of growth, and those who will embrace growth, and those who direct growth, and those who direct it are our governments and our saving graces.

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people think they can amalgamate anarchy and democracy, but as far as true anarchy is concerned, democracy is still tyranny. Many anarchists in the US are outraged by our government and the actions of our directly elected officials (excluding the president) and by infrastructure i mean a system of communication such as the postal service, the internet, or a system of transportation, or, unless the entire world goes anarchaic, a system of defence from our "brethren"

Seems to me the whole issue is flawed. We are evolved primates instinctively geared to live in small groups. It is impossible for us to function in huge societies without government. That is why we have had a government in every country in every civilization for the last 5,000 years!

Anyone who does not want a government can only find small tribes like we humans had in prehistory, ones with communal living and a town-hall-like process of settling issues. There are religious communes like that, but is that the way you want to live?

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what would you have, stagnation, a slow death of impotency that would drag on across the decades until the human race is nothing but a breed of welfare queens who look back on the days of old when we knew how to strive for what we wanted, and then to achieve it. This greed you villainize is ambition, and without it, the greatest minds and peoples in the world would have never influenced events. Napoleon would have stayed in corsica or remained an artillery commander in the army. Ceasar and Augustus would have stayed in italy rather than bring civilization to all of europe. There will always be those who are afraid of growth, and those who will embrace growth, and those who direct growth, and those who direct it are our governments and our saving graces

Please dont vomit it gives you heart burn for days....Uniformity ahh the classless societies dream or nightmmare..UNIFORMITY..what does it mean to you ? for me it means equal opportunity equal ability through education the great levelers..it does not mean the individual characteristics merge in to one slob of humanity we can still afford our rebels our nutters.

While I am against the idea of anarchy, I think it is unwise to call government "our saving grace". We people have to be our own saving grace. Government is there out of necessity.

"Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one."

--Thomas Paine

I can tolerate supporters of the state like this. You will come around as you realize the state is unnecessary.

what would you have, stagnation, a slow death of impotency that would drag on across the decades until the human race is nothing but a breed of welfare queens who look back on the days of old when we knew how to strive for what we wanted, and then to achieve it. This greed you villainize is ambition, and without it, the greatest minds and peoples in the world would have never influenced events. Napoleon would have stayed in corsica or remained an artillery commander in the army. Ceasar and Augustus would have stayed in italy rather than bring civilization to all of europe. There will always be those who are afraid of growth, and those who will embrace growth, and those who direct growth, and those who direct it are our governments and our saving graces

Your conception of this anarchistic society is appealing, but I have yet to be convinced of its ability for practical application and longevity. As long as people have a desire to gain power and influence (and overpower others), they will form states and governments to maintain and grow their power. These communities that you discuss, without some form of absolute rule, will be unable to compete with the governed states, politically. This is why, throughout our history, these smaller communities were (and continue to be) wiped out by the larger states.

There is no such thing as absolute rule.

Poor choice of words...I meant without having a set of laws. Laws are absolute, as written, forcing most people to adhere to certain minimum standards while conducting themselves in society.

1- we outproduced because our government was able to provide enough incentive for our factories to produce sherman tanks at the same rate they had produced model t's

3: Perhaps your anarchaic state could work on a small scale, that seems to be the case in most third world countries, but how can a system work when its responsibilities (maintain order, keep the world connected, provide public service)

Maybe you would like to return to our primitive forbearers way of life, but in doing so you would kill billions of people, because without our industrialized way of life, the vast majority of the world would starve to death. A place where farmers cant sell their crops because there is no rule save the farmers gun to prevent miscreants from picking what they need by night, or a place where we stay in our birth communities for life because there is no regulation on the roads, airways, trains or waters, leading to accidents and disrepair. You call government a necesary evil, but there is NO way society could exist without it. Necesary yes, but is something that vital really evil.

Private armies to protect those who can afford it..oh my oh my..Give up, your world of anarchy is looking more and more like the end of civilisation ,not the start of something new.

And your ability for abstract thinking appears to be far too limited for this conversation. If you cannot expand your view past the limitations placed upon society by states, then you will never understand.

Im commenting on your post ive decided its a fruitless task debating when you have such entrenched opinions.You can give no positive examples of this Divine state and can give no assurances that the weak ,who you appear to despise will not be protected .So what is the point of stating my opinions over and over again.Ill just wave my red flag at the McCarthy's.

Derision for not being able to provide concrete examples is pretty humorous when coming from a communist. At least anarchy has failed because of statist forces to this point. State communism has been extremely efficient at producing disastrous results without any help. I'd say its right at 100% in terms of absolute failure.

Also I do not despise the weak, I merely do not have the elitist's desire to determine who is weak and decide just how to force them and everyone else to correct those deficiencies.

It should be very apparent to anyone that I have a much more profound respect for the "weak" than most.