Az will require Obama's birth certificate to run in 2010

@BillRM,

They seem to be hung up on the actual copy of his birth certificate. Not the copy of live birth or whatever they have already shown.

From what I understand, his actual BC hasn't been seen. And I think that's what everyone wants to see, right?

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@maporsche,

maporsche wrote:

They seem to be hung up on the actual copy of his birth certificate. Not the copy of live birth or whatever they have already shown.

From what I understand, his actual BC hasn't been seen. And I think that's what everyone wants to see, right?

There is no such thing in HI. The certificate that he has is the only one they issue. But, this whole thing isn't a fact-based issue anyway; like the Muslim thing, it's just a way to say 'he's not like us.'

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

http://peoplespassions.org/peoplesvoice/BirthCerts/Archive/Birth_Certificate.htm

There's the short form and the long form (as I'm now learning). I think people want to see the long form, which I read somewhere, does exist and is the original.

I don't really care; I just wish that whatever it is that these people would want to see; that it just be handed over so that we can stop hearing about it.

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@maporsche,

I think I would need information that didn't come from a site urging me to stop Obama's 'socialist agenda.'

The State of HI says it's good enough, and that ought to be good enough for everyone...

Cycloptichorn

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@maporsche,

The Obama birth certificate released clearly states it is a legal document that is to be accepted by courts.

So where exactly are these birthers going to go to get a ruling that it isn't to be accepted?

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@maporsche,

maporsche wrote:

I just wish that whatever it is that these people would want to see; that it just be handed over so that we can stop hearing about it.

What they want to see, so far as I can determine, is evidence that Obama is ineligible to be President.

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@DrewDad,

This is dead on. You could have whatever certificate you wanted and doctors swearing up and down that they saw him pop out, and guys like Okie and Gunga still wouldn't believe any of it.

Cycloptichorn

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@maporsche,

The Hawaii government even points out some of the differences between a Certification of Live Birth, and a Certificate of Live Birth.

http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl

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The Department of Hawaiian Home Lands accepts both Certificates of Live Birth (original birth certificate) and Certifications of Live Birth because they are official government records documenting an individual’s birth. The Certificate of Live Birth generally has more information which is useful for genealogical purposes as compared to the Certification of Live Birth which is a computer-generated printout that provides specific details of a person’s birth. Although original birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth) are preferred for their greater detail, the State Department of Health (DOH) no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth. When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth.

So I think what they want to see is the Certificate of Live Birth, which IS a different document, and one that obviously exists and the government has said that they have for Obama. I understand that they don't normally release that information, but this would seem to be a less than common situation.

Shut these people up already.

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@Cycloptichorn,

LOL ok. I was just referring to the pictures, not the message. It something I found when I googled what the problem with these people are. Anyway, I posted something from the government of Hawaii, no pictures, but they do point out some of the differences.

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@BillRM,

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Wonder what symbol the people of Mexico descent will need to wear in the state of Arizona and are we going to have camps set up with the words ‘work will set you free” on the front gates

Now who is using fear to try and get a message across?
I would say you are seriously overreacting.

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@maporsche,

Nonsense that is the legal birth certificate in the state of Hawaii at the time of his birth.

That is the paperwork that citizens of Hawaii used to get passports etc.

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@plainoldme,

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Mexicans take jobs Americans don't want just to provide for their families.

And I have no problem with that.
At the same time, I want them to be in this country LEGALLY.
If they are here illegally, they are breaking our laws and should be deported, not rewarded.

On the other hand, the companies that hire them, any size company or family, that hires illegal immigrants should face severe sanctions also, up to and including imprisonment of the top officers of that company and hefty ( $5,000,000+) for each illegal immigrant they have on the payroll.

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@BillRM,

OK, then explain my post further down where the HI government makes reference to TWO different documents.

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@mysteryman,

mysteryman wrote:

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Wonder what symbol the people of Mexico descent will need to wear in the state of Arizona and are we going to have camps set up with the words ‘work will set you free” on the front gates

Now who is using fear to try and get a message across?
I would say you are seriously overreacting.

just wait until the republicans gain complete control and decide the only way to save the country is to imprison all liberals

don't forget sarah could see the gulags from her front yard, she must have got some ideas

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@maporsche,

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Shut these people up already

Not even god speaking from heaven directly to them will shut those people up.

And why the hell should we bend over backward to prove something that is on it fact a proven fact?

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@BillRM,

It'd have to shut some of them up.

I wonder if this is how Bush felt/feels about '9/11 truthers'? .....I mean, even I kind of wonder why we don't see a better shot of the plane going into the Pentagon.

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@maporsche,

i bet bush thinks 9/11 truthers are folks who believe 9/11 happened

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@mysteryman,

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them to be in this country LEGALLY.

Set up a worker program instead of not doing so and preferring to have them here illegally so the employers can pay sub minimum wages.

The work force is needed and they will come one way or another unless you fine the hell out of the employers and shut down the state economic at the same time.

Do not set up a situation where you draw them to you illegally and then complain when they come!!!!!

Kind of like calling a dog to you and then kicking him for coming.

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@maporsche,

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OK, then explain my post further down where the HI government makes reference to TWO different documents.

Do not need to explain anything and Obama does not need to explain anything as that is the legal means of proving birth and citizenship and applying for an American passport and it had been released.

Beyond that it is pure silliness.

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@BillRM,

I always wondered if this workforce is really needed.

I mean, we have 20% underemployment in the USA, of known citizens.

I agree that if citizens were to do this job, the employers would have to pay a better wage and with the new healthcare bill, provide benefits (maybe), but it's not like there aren't people who need the work.

I wish I could hire an illegal immigrant to do my job for me.

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