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ADOPTED RUSSIAN BOY REJECTED, IN SELF DEFENSE

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 15 Apr, 2010 07:35 am
@dlowan,
dlowan wrote:
djjd62 wrote:
pretty cowardly way to go about it

he's not a defective product that needs to be mailed back to the supplier, he's till a human being


That's very true.

If the people can't cope with the kid, he's likely better elsewhere. Perfectly decent people can be unable to cope with very traumatised kids...their placements break down all the time, sadly.

But it seems to have been disgusting, the way they did it. Yikes!

As for FOUR days with a kid.....what a joke! The really difficult behaviour usually emerges a long time after that.


What four day period was that ?
dlowan
 
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Reply Thu 15 Apr, 2010 07:40 am
@OmSigDAVID,
The four day period mentioned in your opening post:

Quote:
They told the paper that Mrs. Hansen
spent four full days with Artem under the eye of adoption workers
before she was allowed to adopt him.
ABE5177
 
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Reply Thu 15 Apr, 2010 07:49 am
@dlowan,
dlowan wrote:

. I haven't read enough to be sure. but I think that kid may be beyond help.

i agree, FAS isnt reversible
happened before with ruassinan adoptees

".....For Beth and Bill Cole, it was a situation out of their control. Their son, adopted from Russia, has Reactive Attachment Disorder and Fetal Alcohol Syndrome.

At times, they say, he's violent and dangerous.

"Stabbing, shooting, burning down the house - pretty specific threats," said Beth....."
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ABE5177
 
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Reply Thu 15 Apr, 2010 07:53 am
@firefly,
firefly wrote:



Abandoned by his alcoholic mother,


that's FAS
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 15 Apr, 2010 07:54 am
@dlowan,
dlowan wrote:
The four day period mentioned in your opening post:

Quote:
They told the paper that Mrs. Hansen
spent four full days with Artem under the eye of adoption workers
before she was allowed to adopt him.

I see; thank u.

Is there anything in particular that moved u to suspect
that Art is beyond professional help ?

(Let me say that I intuit the same suspicion,
but my lack of psychological training renders my intuitions worthless.)
ABE5177
 
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Reply Thu 15 Apr, 2010 07:59 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

dlowan wrote:
The four day period mentioned in your opening post:

Quote:
They told the paper that Mrs. Hansen
spent four full days with Artem under the eye of adoption workers
before she was allowed to adopt him.

I see; thank u.

Is there anything in particular that moved u to suspect
that Art is beyond professional help ?

(Let me say that I intuit the same suspicion,
but my lack of psychological training renders my intuitions worthless.)

FAS is brain damagae theres no fixing it
http://www.nbc-2.com/Global/story.asp?S=12306480
dlowan
 
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Reply Thu 15 Apr, 2010 08:19 am
@ABE5177,
We don't KNOW he has foetal alcohol syndrome, do we?

I thought of it as soon as I read alcoholic mother, but has it actually been diagnosed?

ABE5177
 
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Reply Thu 15 Apr, 2010 08:22 am
@dlowan,
i lived with those symptoms my enepheaw had it

he died of his own hand age 15
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 15 Apr, 2010 08:31 am
@dlowan,
dlowan wrote:
We don't KNOW he has foetal alcohol syndrome, do we?

I thought of it as soon as I read alcoholic mother, but has it actually been diagnosed?
Apparently, if the Russians diagnosed it,
thay did not reveal that diagnosis.





David
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 15 Apr, 2010 08:33 am
@ABE5177,
ABE5177 wrote:
i lived with those symptoms my enepheaw had it

he died of his own hand age 15
My condolences concerning your nephew, Abe
and welcome to the forum.





David
boomerang
 
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Reply Thu 15 Apr, 2010 08:37 am
@ABE5177,
It's interesting to me that people who have seen these behaviors up close and personal don't doubt the women's story.

And that they think help is so easy to find.

It's tragic about your nephew.
ABE5177
 
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Reply Thu 15 Apr, 2010 08:47 am
@OmSigDAVID,
thank you
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ABE5177
 
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Reply Thu 15 Apr, 2010 08:50 am
@boomerang,
boomerang wrote:

It's interesting to me that people who have seen these behaviors up close and personal don't doubt the women's story.

And that they think help is so easy to find.

It's tragic about your nephew.

thank you
ilinked another story v similar right here

there's no help none sure i believbe tgha women!!
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 15 Apr, 2010 09:42 am
@boomerang,
boomerang wrote:
It's interesting to me that people who have seen these behaviors
up close and personal don't doubt the women's story.

And that they think help is so easy to find.

It's tragic about your nephew.
YES; I also believe that is a very significant point, boomer.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 15 Apr, 2010 10:03 am
@ABE5177,
ABE5177 wrote:
OmSigDAVID wrote:
dlowan wrote:
The four day period mentioned in your opening post:

Quote:
They told the paper that Mrs. Hansen
spent four full days with Artem under the eye of adoption workers
before she was allowed to adopt him.

I see; thank u.

Is there anything in particular that moved u to suspect
that Art is beyond professional help ?

(Let me say that I intuit the same suspicion,
but my lack of psychological training renders my intuitions worthless.)

FAS is brain damagae theres no fixing it
http://www.nbc-2.com/Global/story.asp?S=12306480
Thank u for that link, Abe; it was very impressive and on-point.

I sympathize with those families.
I hope that science will learn
how to repair those brain functions as soon as possible.
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ABE5177
 
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Reply Thu 15 Apr, 2010 10:05 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

dlowan wrote:
We don't KNOW he has foetal alcohol syndrome, do we?

I thought of it as soon as I read alcoholic mother, but has it actually been diagnosed?
Apparently, if the Russians diagnosed it,
thay did not reveal that diagnosis.


i knpow russia, maybe they got a diagnosis "sobriety"? so many of them are drunks maybe FAS isnt known or until it becomes a dagner as child gets older

bleeding heatrts here think, how would YOU act if fearing for YOUR life??
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 15 Apr, 2010 10:16 am
@ABE5177,
ABE5177 wrote:
OmSigDAVID wrote:
dlowan wrote:
We don't KNOW he has foetal alcohol syndrome, do we?

I thought of it as soon as I read alcoholic mother, but has it actually been diagnosed?
Apparently, if the Russians diagnosed it,
thay did not reveal that diagnosis.


i knpow russia, maybe they got a diagnosis "sobriety"? so many of them are drunks
maybe FAS isnt known or until it becomes a dagner as child gets older

bleeding heatrts here think, how would YOU act if fearing for YOUR life??
That 's a very important point, Abe.
Everyone needs to be safe in his own home.
If a family member repeatedly threatens homicide,
that may undermine your sense of serenity & well being.





David
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 15 Apr, 2010 10:20 am
@boomerang,
Quote:
It's interesting to me that people who have seen these behaviors up close and personal don't doubt the women's story.

And that they think help is so easy to find.

Picking-up the phone when the adoption agency kept trying to call to check up on her would have been a start on the road to finding help.
boomerang
 
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Reply Thu 15 Apr, 2010 10:22 am
@OmSigDAVID,
I remember at the height of our problems, telling Mr. B "if you treated me like this, I'd leave you".
dyslexia
 
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Reply Thu 15 Apr, 2010 10:23 am
@hawkeye10,
overwhelming can be simply overwhelming, over, facts are obviously missing.
 

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