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ADOPTED RUSSIAN BOY REJECTED, IN SELF DEFENSE

 
 
Irishk
 
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Reply Sun 13 Jun, 2010 10:03 am
@dyslexia,
I agree. My heart goes out to that Canadian couple, though. Also to the 700,000 abandoned children.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sun 13 Jun, 2010 10:22 am
@dyslexia,
dyslexia wrote:

good, I am repulsed by the commercial marketing of children.

Yeah...but a goodly number of them may be happier in a US home than an orphanage., don't you think?
Irishk
 
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Reply Sun 13 Jun, 2010 10:43 am
@dlowan,
I think one of the main issues the Russians have is follow-up once a child leaves the country. The report indicates they have no way to monitor the well-being of the 200+ children that have been adopted by U.S. families to date. I agree with them that they should be able to have a system in place that accomodates their wish to assure the children are being adequately cared for at the very least. I can't imagine why this wasn't stipulated from the beginning.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sun 13 Jun, 2010 10:51 am
@dlowan,
dlowan wrote:

dyslexia wrote:

good, I am repulsed by the commercial marketing of children.

Yeah...but a goodly number of them may be happier in a US home than an orphanage., don't you think?
certainly a possibility
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boomerang
 
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Reply Sun 13 Jun, 2010 11:01 am
Quote:
But the sad truth behind the sunny façade is that it houses 120 children in desperate need of a family. They are no older than three. The main reason they are there is because their parents are alcoholics.


A good number of them might end up institutionalized if they ARE adopted.

Being a competent parent and being a competent parent to an FAS kid are two different things altogether.
firefly
 
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Reply Sun 13 Jun, 2010 11:42 am
@boomerang,
A big part of the problem is that they remove these children from their alcoholic parent's care, and place them in orphanages, rather than trying to treat the alcoholism so that the child could be returned to the parent. These children are not orphans. They really don't belong in orphanages waiting to be adopted.

If the Russians don't have a waiting foreign market to adopt these children, they may have to expand their domestic foster care system and start trying to rehabilitate these alcoholic parents. Being in temporary foster care, until the family can be re-united, would be a much better solution for these children.

Freezing adoptions with the United States might force the Russians to improve their system for dealing with child neglect and abuse by addicted parents.

Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 13 Jun, 2010 11:44 am
@boomerang,
boomerang wrote:

Being a competent parent and being a competent parent to an FAS kid are two different things altogether.


That is correct. But not all children of parents who are alcoholics show necessarily a Fetal Alcohol Syndrome.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 13 Jun, 2010 11:48 am
@firefly,
firefly wrote:

A big part of the problem is that they remove these children from their alcoholic parent's care, and place them in orphanages, rather than trying to treat the alcoholism so that the child could be returned to the parent. These children are not orphans. They really don't belong in orphanages waiting to be adopted.


I'm really not sure, if those homes are "orphanages" or if that is the (mis-translated) English word for it.
We call those houses/homes here "children's homes".

Besides that, I agree with firefly's above response.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 13 Jun, 2010 11:51 am
@dlowan,
dlowan wrote:

dyslexia wrote:

good, I am repulsed by the commercial marketing of children.

Yeah...but a goodly number of them may be happier in a US home than an orphanage., don't you think?


And a good number of children of any kind of parents in many other countries would like to live in the USA, too. Perhaps, they even would be happier.
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ABE5177
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jun, 2010 01:51 pm
@boomerang,
boomerang wrote:

Quote:
But the sad truth behind the sunny façade is that it houses 120 children in desperate need of a family. They are no older than three. The main reason they are there is because their parents are alcoholics.


A good number of them might end up institutionalized if they ARE adopted.

Being a competent parent and being a competent parent to an FAS kid are two different things altogether.

amen. that's a truth crying out to heaven.

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ABE5177
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jun, 2010 01:53 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:


Freezing adoptions with the United States might force the Russians to improve their system for dealing with child neglect and abuse by addicted parents.

You've never been anywhere near russia or any russians or their orphans, weasy for you to say

Ask somebodty twho knows something, anything, about any of the above before you charge off with your blabbing and I'm, asaying this in the kindest p0ssible waty

ask you may lwarn something about FAS
firefly
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jun, 2010 02:22 pm
@ABE5177,
My, aren't you presumptuous, ABE5177. You know whether or not I've ever been anywhere near Russia? Do you also know my shoe size?

Not only do I know a great deal about Fetal Alcohol Syndrome, I previously posted information about it in this thread. For the sake of informing you about FAS, I will re-post that info here.

Quote:

We don't know what the Russian government did or did not do to help Artyom's biological mother, and it was with his mother that his problems began. Would it have been possible to put Artyom in temporary foster care and place Artyom's mother in alcohol rehab, help her achieve sobriety, teach her parenting skills, and return her child to her? Artyom is not an orphan. If those things had been done, it might have been possible to avoid institutionalization of this child in the first place. It might have been possible to spare him the trauma of separating from his biological mother, and children can and do bond with even bad mothers. It might have rehabilitated his mother so that he could be reunited with her, which would have spared him years in an orphanage and the trauma and disruption and rejection that he just went through with his adoptive American mother. It is unlikely that Russia did any of these things. It is more likely that they simply removed him from his alcoholic mother's care, for reasons of neglect and abuse, and dumped him in an orphanage.

Let's assume that Artyom's mother drank during her pregnancy. What effect might this have had on Artyom?


Quote:

Fetal Alcohol Syndrome
Alcohol (wine, beer, or liquor) is the leading known preventable cause of mental and physical birth defects in the United States.

When a woman drinks alcohol during pregnancy, she risks giving birth to a child who will pay the price " in mental and physical deficiencies " for his or her entire life.

Yet many pregnant women do drink alcohol. It's estimated that each year in the United States, 1 in every 750 infants is born with a pattern of physical, developmental, and functional problems referred to as fetal alcohol syndrome (FAS), while another 40,000 are born with fetal alcohol effects (FAE).

Signs and Symptoms
If you adopted a child or consumed alcohol during pregnancy and are concerned that your child may have FAS, watch for characteristics of the syndrome, which include:

•low birth weight
•small head circumference
•failure to thrive
•developmental delay
•organ dysfunction
•facial abnormalities, including smaller eye openings, flattened cheekbones, and indistinct philtrum (an underdeveloped groove between the nose and the upper lip)
•epilepsy
•poor coordination/fine motor skills
•poor socialization skills, such as difficulty building and maintaining friendships and relating to groups
•lack of imagination or curiosity
•learning difficulties, including poor memory, inability to understand concepts such as time and money, poor language comprehension, poor problem-solving skills
•behavioral problems, including hyperactivity, inability to concentrate, social withdrawal, stubbornness, impulsiveness, and anxiety
Children with FAE display the same symptoms, but to a lesser degree.

Diagnosis and Long-Term Effects
Problems associated with FAS tend to intensify as children move into adulthood. These can include mental health problems, troubles with the law, and the inability to live independently.

Kids with FAE are frequently undiagnosed. This also applies to those with alcohol-related neurodevelopmental disorder (ARND), a recently recognized category of prenatal damage that refers to children who exhibit only the behavioral and emotional problems of FAS/FAE without any signs of developmental delay or physical growth deficiencies.
Often, in kids with FAE or ARND, the behavior can appear as mere belligerence or stubbornness. They may score well on intelligence tests, but their behavioral deficits often interfere with their ability to succeed. Extensive education and training for the parents, health care professionals, and teachers who care for these kids are essential.

How Much Alcohol Is Too Much?
It's clear that abusing alcohol during pregnancy is dangerous, but what about the occasional drink? How much alcohol constitutes too much during pregnancy?

No evidence exists that can determine exactly how much alcohol ingestion will produce birth defects. Individual women process alcohol differently. Other factors vary the results, too, such as the age of the mother, the timing and regularity of the alcohol ingestion, and whether the mother has eaten any food while drinking.

Although full-blown FAS is the result of chronic alcohol use during pregnancy, FAE and ARND may occur with only occasional or binge drinking.

Because alcohol easily passes the placental barrier and the fetus is less equipped to eliminate alcohol than its mother, the fetus tends to receive a high concentration of alcohol, which lingers longer than it would in the mother's system.

Mothers who drink during the first trimester of pregnancy have kids with the most severe problems because that is when the brain is developing. The connections in the baby's brain don't get made properly when alcohol is present. Of course, in the early months, many women don't even know they're pregnant.

It's important for women who are thinking about becoming pregnant to adopt healthy behaviors before they get pregnant.

Women who abstain from alcohol in early pregnancy may feel comfortable drinking in the final months. But some of the most complex developmental stages in the brain occur in the second and third trimesters, a time when the nervous system can be greatly affected by alcohol. Even moderate alcohol intake, and especially periodic binge drinking, can seriously damage a developing nervous system.

Prevention Is the Key
FAS can be completely prevented by not drinking any alcohol during pregnancy.

Reviewed by: Linda Nicholson, MS, MC
Date reviewed: June 2008
http://kidshealth.org/parent/medical/brain/fas.html

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Let's assume that, at the least, Artyom may suffer from FAE, a milder form of FAS. While this condition is not reversible, could the child have been helped at the time he was placed in the orphanage (which seems to have been about three or four years ago)?


Quote:
These protective factors have been found to benefit people who have fetal alcohol spectrum disorders:


Early Diagnosis
Children who are diagnosed early have more positive outcomes that those who are not. The earlier a FAS child is placed in appropriate educational classes and given essential social services, the more improved the prognosis.
Early diagnosis also helps family members and teachers understand the reactions and behavior of the FAS child, which can differ widely from other children in the same situations.


Special Education and Social Services
Research has found that fetal alcohol syndrome children who receive special education designed for their specific needs and learning ability are more likely to achieve their developmental and educational potential. Because FAS children can exhibit a wide range of severity of symptoms, individualized educational programs are important.
It is also helpful if FAS children and their family receive social services -- such as respite care, stress management training or behavioral management training -- have more positive outcomes compared with families who do not receive those kinds of services.


Nurturing Environment
All children benefit from a loving, nurturing and stable home life. But children with fetal alcohol syndrome have been found to be more sensitive to disruptions, transient lifestyles and harmful relationships. To prevent the secondary conditions associated with FAS, children who have fetal alcohol syndrome need support from family and the community.

Absence of Violence
Violence in the lives of children with fetal alcohol syndrome can have significant influence on their likelihood of developing behavior, legal and living problems later in life. Studies have found that FAS children who live in stable and non-abusive homes are much less likely to develop secondary conditions.

http://alcoholism.about.com/od/fas/a/fas_treatment.htm


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firefly
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jun, 2010 02:53 pm
@ABE5177,
The Russians finally do seem to be addressing their treatment of children, and the placement of children in orphanages. They do seem to be considering small, family-style group homes, or foster homes, as an alternative to orphanages.

Quote:


Russia facing an orphanage and adoption crisis

There are almost 700,000 orphans in Russia. About 30,000 orphans were adopted and then sent back to an orphanage in two years. The Civil Committee for Human Rights slams the situation, whilst Russian Children's Rights Ombudsman Astakhov calls for the reorganisation of orphanages into family-based models of care ...


Friday, June 04, 2010
Asia News

Moscow – Human rights activists on Monday held a protest in the Russian city of Saint Petersburg in defence of children’s rights. In the last two months, media and politicians have focused on the plight of children, who too often are victims of abuse in their birth families and more rarely in foundling homes (state orphanages).

The ‘Civil Committee for Human Rights’ organised the action on International Children's Day. Its leader, Roman Chorny, said that the main problem today was safeguarding children from “improper and baseless psychiatric diagnoses.”

“Very often children in orphanages are 'punished' for their misbehaviour by injections of psychotropic drugs with side effects,” he said, adding that in many cases, such children end up in psychiatric clinics and become handicapped.

The problem of orphanages and adoptions in Russia goes back a long time. Lately, politicians have had to get involved after an American nurse in April sent back a seven-year-old Russian child. The single woman said that she did not want him anymore because he “was mentally unstable, violent and had ‘severe psychopathic issues/behaviours’.”The boy, Artem Saveliev, was adopted just seven months before.

His case has led to the suspension of adoptions of Russian children in the United States and has put the spotlight on the conditions of orphans in Russia.

Too many orphans and too many orphanages

The fact is that in the Russian Federation, according to experts, there are too many orphans, too many orphanages and few local adoptions. At present, there are more “official” orphans now than during the Second World War, almost 700,000 (697,000 to be precise) against 678,000 in the 1940s.

Two thirds of orphans are in fact “social orphans”, children taken from their birth family because of alcoholism, domestic violence or rejection by the parents.

The chairwoman of the parliamentary (Duma) Committee on Family and Children, Yelena B. Mizulina, spoke about the situation recently.

Two years ago, the Duma adopted a law to help orphans, she noted. Since then “the number of orphans sent back from adoptive families to orphanages jumped twofold.” This, according to Mizulina, represents “serious human harm” for the children; first, they are rejected by their biological parents, then by their adoptive parents.

According to Echo of Moscow” Radio, about 30,000 children were sent back to orphanages. For Mizulina, this situation was created because no one takes care of adoptive parents or provides them any form of assistance.

Family violence

Too often, orphaned children in Russia are psychologically “sensitive”. This is clear from the data concerning abuse and violence against children. Again, Echo of Moscow radio talked about the matter, quoting Russian Children's Rights Ombudsman Pavel Astakhov, who said that about 100,000 crimes against children were committed in Russia in 2009, 2,000 children were killed, and 600 disappeared after escaping from home.

Astakhov has proposed that the childcare and education system be reorganised for children from problem families.

“Orphanages are a very closed environment,” he lamented. “We must turn them into family-centred models of care, based on the idea of small units. The reorganisation of these homes is our duty to the children who live under the protection of the state,” he said.
http://www.speroforum.com/site/print.asp?idarticle=34212
Source: Asia News
Copyright © 2010 Spero
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firefly
 
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Reply Sun 5 Feb, 2012 01:22 am
I was reading an article in the New York Times today about a Russian child with Fetal Alcohol Syndrome who was adopted by an American couple when he was 1 year old. At the time they were not aware the child had any problems. The FAS was not diagnosed until several years later, when he was displaying rather serious behavioral problems, and those problems, still very severe, have dominated the life of this family for the past decade.

Anyway, the article related how providing this boy, who is now 13, with a service dog has helped him a little, since he has been able to form an emotional bond with the dog. The lengthy, but interesting, article can be found here, if anyone is interested in reading it.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/05/magazine/wonder-dog.html?hpw


That article reminded me of this thread. So, I Googled Torry Hansen's name to see if there had been any developments in the case in the past two years and, lo and behold, it's back in the current news. Torry Hansen is being sued for child support!
Quote:
Hansen ordered to give deposition in child support case
Thursday, February 2, 2012
By BRIAN MOSELY

LYNCHBURG -- A former Shelbyville resident at the center of an international adoption controversy has been ordered to give a deposition in her upcoming child support case, while the trial date was moved to May.
Torry Hansen will finally answer questions about the case on Feb. 20, and then stand trial on May 17, Circuit Court Judge Lee Russell ordered on Wednesday.

In April 2010, Hansen sent her adopted Russian son back to Moscow alone on a plane with a note saying he had psychological problems and that she didn't want him anymore.

Background

She has refused to cooperate with investigators after the then 7-year-old boy -- identified in court documents as Artem Saveliev -- arrived in Russia. No criminal charges were ever filed, but Hansen's adoption agency filed a lawsuit seeking child support here, where she was living at the time.

Larry Crain, an attorney representing World Association for Children and Parents (WACAP), filed a motion to compel before Russell, saying that they had been trying to get Hansen to give her side of the story since May of last year, but that the Hansens announced their decision at the time "not to be deposed on any date or any location."

Hansen was due to appear at a deposition today, but her attorney, Sandra Smith of Murfreesboro, would be unavailable due to another case. Crain asked Russell to compel Hansen to answer questions and to also produce financial documents.

"We believe it is time for her to respond," Crain said, adding that they only received an affidavit from her this week.

Trial date decided

Crain also said that Hansen "fled this jurisdiction" the day after she was served with the suit in May 2010.

"We believe it is time to take this case to trial," Crain said, adding that it had been "extremely frustrating" to get Hansen to answer questions.

Smith said that her client is still searching for the necessary financial documents Crain is requesting, which Russell said they have 15 days to find, Smith also said that Hansen could answer questions over the phone or Skype, but Crain said he would rather have the meeting in person, or via web conferencing if that is not possible.

But Smith said that she would not be ready to go to trial on March 27, and both sides met during a recess to agree on the new date of May 17.

Suit criticized

Nancy Hansen, Torry's mother, raised questions earlier this month about why two agencies were suing her daughter, WACAP and the National Council for Adoption, noting the child is now living in a home run by a charity in a village about 10 miles southeast of Moscow.

The boy has been living for the past two and a half months in a home in the Moscow suburb of Tomilino, according to Anatoly Vasilyev, director of the SOS village. An SOS village -- although technically an orphanage -- provides home and family environment to children who have lost hope of being adopted.

In January 2010, a court in Russia demanded that the Hansens pay $2,500 a month in child support. Documents obtained by the T-G show that a judge for Moscow City Court asked for Hansen "to pay alimony for the maintenance of a minor amount of 75,000 rub(les)."

Initial problems

When the Hansen family's actions first became public, local authorities were unable to file any charges against the Hansens because there was no evidence that any crime had been committed in Bedford County.

Sheriff Randall Boyce said at the time that if the Hansens abandoned the child, it didn't occur in the county, and therefore he could not press charges.

The incident brought attention to the plight of Russian adoptees. Russia temporarily suspended adoptions by American families, finally lifting the ban last June.

The Hansens were represented by Shelbyville attorney Trisha Henegar, and then later by Jennifer Thompson of Nashville.
http://www.t-g.com/story/1811166.html


I was sorry to hear that the child seems to have been moved around since Hansen returned him to Russia, as is indicated by the fact he has only been in his current placement for the past two and a half months.

I guess Hansen is still regarded as the legal parent if they are going after her for child support. It certainly is a novel approach.

I will see if I can find any more info.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 5 Feb, 2012 01:40 am

Poor Torry; she had bad luck in this case.





David
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firefly
 
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Reply Sun 5 Feb, 2012 01:46 am
This article has a little more information.

The point of the suit seems to be to finally try to get her to explain her actions, and to answer questions about the manner in which she sent the unaccompanied child on a plane back to Russia.

Quote:
Woman who returned adopted Russian boy faces suit.
By Kristin M. Hall
Associated Press
Jan 24, 2012

NASHVILLE, Tenn. — An American woman who sent her adopted Russian son back to Moscow alone on a plane with a note stating she didn't want him anymore is facing a lawsuit for child support in Tennessee that could require her to publicly answer questions about her actions.

Torry Hansen has refused to cooperate with investigators after the then 7-year-old boy -- identified in court documents as Artem Saveliev -- arrived in Russia in April 2010 with a note saying he had psychological problems. No criminal charges were ever filed, but her adoption agency filed a lawsuit seeking child support in Tennessee, where she was living at the time.

The case, which drew international attention at the time. Russian officials also threatened to suspend adoptions to the United States though negotiators have been conducting talks since on reaching a new adoption accord.

The woman had no immediate comment on the suit. Her mother, Nancy Hansen, told The Associated Press that her daughter has previously refused to answer questions sought by attorneys, but she did not know whether Torry Hansen would have to appear in court for questioning.

Nancy Hansen said she questioned why two agencies were suing her daughter, World Association for Children And Parents and the National Council for Adoption, noting the child is now living in a home run by a charity in a village about 10 miles southeast of Moscow.

Larry Crain, an attorney for WACAP, said a judge will decide in February whether to compel both women to give a deposition to attorneys. Lawyers are preparing for a trial scheduled for March 27 in a circuit court in Shelbyville, where the woman had lived at the time.

"They have been evading notices to appear in court three or four times," Crain said.

The child has been living for the past two and a half months in a home in the Moscow suburb of Tomilino, according to Anatoly Vasilyev, director of the SOS village.

"He has recently said: ’I finally have a family.' It's a good sign," Vasilyev said.

The SOS village -- although technically an orphanage -- provides home and family environment to children who have lost hope of being adopted. Children at Tomilino range from 7 to 16 and are typically watched over by a woman who also serves as a teacher.

Vasilyev said Artem "tries to forget about his life in the States”, and that's the reason why the orphanage is not allowing the media to see him for the time being. He added that the child gets along well with other children and has almost forgotten English and doesn't seem to want to speak it.

Nancy Hansen said she doesn't believe the youngster was traumatized by being sent home alone.

"All I can say he was very happy when he was on the plane," she said. "Witnesses have said that he was running all around and he was happy. There were stewardesses watching over him."

She said that she and her daughter both hope the boy is happy where he is now. "It is our hope that he will be loved there, truly loved there, and he will find happiness," she said of Artem.

Her daughter claimed in the letter that Artem, who they had named Justin, was violent while he was living in Tennessee and had severe psychological issues. Nancy Hansen said the boy drew a picture of a burning building with people inside.

Staffers at the SOS village outside Moscow said Artem has no real issues to speak of.

"He does have psychological problems," Vasilyev said. "But they are not as serious as she described. It's mostly due to the psychological traumas he's had, and it's not something that cannot be dealt with."

Nancy Hansen said her daughter has an order from a Russian court saying that her adoption was annulled last year after he was returned and that a court in Tennessee doesn't have jurisdiction to order her daughter to pay child support.

But the attorney for the adoption agency said the judge will rule based on Tennessee state law.

"We are seeking relief under the law of the state of Tennessee and as far as we are concerned the rulings in Russia are not binding," he said.

Her daughter had been working as a nurse at a local Veterans Administration hospital in Tennessee, but they have moved and Nancy said her daughter doesn't currently have a job to pay child support.

"They don't have standing to do this and this is going to be a drawn-out process," she said.
http://www.oakridger.com/newsnow/x767702639/oman-who-returned-adopted-Russian-boy-faces-suit

hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 5 Feb, 2012 02:18 am
@firefly,
As a min standard for suing for child support shouldn't the one seeking funds at least have possession of said child?
firefly
 
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Reply Sun 5 Feb, 2012 03:25 am
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
As a min standard for suing for child support shouldn't the one seeking funds at least have possession of said child?

I think it is Russia that is seeking the child support, but it's going through the adoption agencies in the U.S. court, possibly to get a legal ruling in the U.S. about whether she is still regarded as the child's mother.
Quote:
In January 2010, a court in Russia demanded that the Hansens pay $2,500 a month in child support. Documents obtained by the T-G show that a judge for Moscow City Court asked for Hansen "to pay alimony for the maintenance of a minor amount of 75,000 rub(les)."

The date on that has to be wrong--it would have to be either January 2011 or January 2012--she didn't send the boy back to Russia until April 2010, so the ruling could not have been made in January 2010.

I can't find any other articles that mention the Russian court ruling, but the Russians have the child and they are apparently the ones demanding the support payments.

I don't think they really expect to get money from this woman. I think they just want to force her into court to answer questions, and explain her actions, regarding what she did to this child, by sending him back to Russia by himself--they haven't been able to get her to cooperate since she sent the child back almost two years ago. They may still be trying to go after her for child abandonment, which is the likely reason she hasn't been cooperative.

hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 5 Feb, 2012 03:34 am
@firefly,
Quote:
I don't think they really expect to get money from this woman. I think they just want to force her into court to answer questions, and explain her actions, regarding what she did to this child, by sending him back to Russia by himself--they haven't been able to get her to cooperate since she sent the child back almost two years ago. They may still be trying to go after her for child abandonment, which is the likely reason she hasn't been cooperative.


Twisting American law in ways never intended by the authors or the public in order to get done what the law normally would not allow??

Idea

Just might work! *sarcasm*
firefly
 
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Reply Sun 5 Feb, 2012 04:04 am
@hawkeye10,
I really don't think this involves twisting the law.

There may be legitimate issues regarding her status as the child's parent in the U.S. These articles really aren't all that clear regarding the legal issues, which involve two countries, in this case. As the court dates get closer, there might be more news reports. If there is a trial in May, that should attract more publicity because this story made news all over the world.
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