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ADOPTED RUSSIAN BOY REJECTED, IN SELF DEFENSE

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 14 Apr, 2010 03:52 pm
@boomerang,
boomerang wrote:
Quote:
boomer, do u think there 's any chance
that your friend woud be interested in posting to this thread ?


I doubt she would though I'm sure she'd have incredible insight.

While I'm sure she's aware of this story from the little blurb in our paper the other day,
they don't have TVs or computers and that's where this story is going crazy.
O, no computer; that 's too bad.
Well, she 's very welcome to express her insights,
if she acquires access to a computer anywhere. Maybe a library ?





David
boomerang
 
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Reply Wed 14 Apr, 2010 03:58 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
They're the low-tech family. I think it's kind of cool but I know I could never live like that.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 14 Apr, 2010 04:53 pm
@aidan,
aidan wrote:
How do you compensate someone enough
for being unlucky enough to get parents who would steal their birthday money from them
OK, suppose that u gave a kid $20 and he was robbed of it by his dad who applied to his own uses
(he was building a wooden deck for the house). If u wanna, u give him another $20.
By then, the victim KNOWS what happens if his dad finds out and deals with it acccordingly.
He 's not stupid.

(I also had that happen to me kinda backward, sorta:
another kid (maybe 11 years old) did not say that he was ROBBED
by his parents, but he alleged that thay made him pay for his own food.
He was working me. I know his mom fairly well, and
she is the very nicest, most caring, loving mother u coud think of.
I mentioned what he claimed to some other people who knew
the family much better than I did. One woman got a good laff out of it
and said "he 's taking u for a ride." I knew that. I didn 't hold it against him.)





aidan wrote:
- or put them on a plane alone because they drew the wrong picture and didn't like having their hair pulled?

In my opinion, the loss of a life in America, as a citizen, is of immeasurable value.

Whether he provoked this by alarmingly intolerable behavior
or not, is an open question.



aidan wrote:
Like I said - it's not funny David - and I really mean it when I say,
'Parents these days'....let's just say I am SO grateful I grew up when I did.
[Note that I don 't think that robbery is humorous. Since I indemnified the lo$$, indirectly,
I became the victim of the robbery.]


None of my adopted friends ever got sent back.
In candor, I cannot agree.
Tho I personally lived a life in tranquility and freedom as a kid,
I am aware that in earlier decades kids got subjected to violence
more ofen than now, in my opinion, based on observation,
on word of mouth and on the news.

For instance, as recently as the 1980s,
I was seeing a young lady who had a child
who was 8 when I met him; I knew him for several years.
His mom had an official, declared no-spanking philosophy.
It was extremely obvious to me that he meant everything
to her and she loved him very, very intensely,
but when he drove her nuts, she chased and swatted him in the face.



I don 't remember offhand, being acquainted with kids who
were adopted.





David
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 14 Apr, 2010 04:57 pm
@boomerang,
boomerang wrote:
They're the low-tech family.
I think it's kind of cool but I know I could never live like that.
Maybe that 's what drove her daughter over the edge.
She just coudn't take it anymore !





David
boomerang
 
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Reply Wed 14 Apr, 2010 05:18 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Actually, a lot of families with special needs kids keep their homes pretty low-tech. Too much stimulation can cause problems.
aidan
 
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Reply Wed 14 Apr, 2010 05:49 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
Whether he provoked this by alarmingly intolerable behavior
or not, is an open question.

huh? Well at the beginning of the thread you didn't seem to have any doubt- you were convinced that the child was an incendiary psychopath against whom it was completely logical that the adult practice self-defense....now you're not so sure...probably because as the facts emerge they don't support the adult's story...so your change in opinion is only logical- I'm proud of you David that you can admit that you might have been wrong.

I had several friends who were adopted - usually more than one in each family- how did those parents ever cope with so much stress? (I'm being facetious) but it is true that none of them were ever sent back.
I repeat - I'm happy I grew up when I did. Even though I'm a parent today - I think things were more sensible when my parents were raising kids.
Just sayin'....(in other words - just my opinion - take it for what you think it's worth).
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 14 Apr, 2010 06:09 pm
@boomerang,
boomerang wrote:
Actually, a lot of families with special needs kids keep their homes pretty low-tech.
Too much stimulation can cause problems.
I see. I did not know that.

(I was only kidding, tho.)





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 14 Apr, 2010 06:32 pm
@aidan,
aidan wrote:
I'm glad nobody got killed - but I don't feel sorry for this mom -
I genuinely do feel sorry for both of the Hansen girls.
We know that Torry cared intensely enuf about becoming a mom
to go all the way to Russia, undoubtedly dumping lots of cash
for all kinds of necessities, then getting an ostensibly good boy
and then having SOMETHING go sour; we don 't know exactly what.
It is obvious to me that Torry and Nancy must have been
driven to desperation. That 's very sad.




aidan wrote:
and I don't think she should have or adopt children.
We don' t know if she is, or woud be,
a wonderful mother to a normal child. This is possible.
Let 's note something else. Russian orphanages have a horrible
reputation. Art got sprung from there; to date, he has not gone back,
so far as we 've heard. That liberation shoud count for a lot.
For several months, he was able to live here.
Even with having his hair pulled, it was probably like Paradise,
relative to a Russian orphanage.





David

BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 14 Apr, 2010 07:04 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
It is obvious to me that Torry and Nancy must have been
driven to desperation. That 's very sad.


You got to be super trolling here!

You feel sorry for two assholes who did not even try to aid a child by finding some form any form of medical treatment. A child that one of them adopted!

I will save all my concerns and feelings for the child.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 14 Apr, 2010 10:56 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
If she was really concerned about the child's behavior,
Hansen should have had him evaluated by someone.
I guess he 'll be evaluated now.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Wed 14 Apr, 2010 11:08 pm
@boomerang,
Not sure that decent mental health care would necessarily help the poor little kid in question. I haven't read enough to be sure. but I think that kid may be beyond help.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 15 Apr, 2010 01:08 am
@dlowan,
dlowan wrote:

Not sure that decent mental health care would necessarily help the poor little kid in question.


We have a different approach here, too.

It might well be that such children get a lot of help from various (psycho-)therapists (which is paid by the mandatory health service), but generally, it's their parents which do the 'work' (which the help and support of social worker from the related children and youth departments).
saab
 
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Reply Thu 15 Apr, 2010 02:20 am
@Walter Hinteler,
If I have a biological child, which turns out to be difficult at a point in life - then people will say "poor parents".
If I have an adopted child, which turns out to be difficult at a point in life - it is often then said - it is the bad genes, or it is because it is adopted - the blame is on the kid and its biological background.
So I would keep it more or less a secret that my child was adopted. Of course not within the family and close friends, but at school and neighborhood.
Problems will come not matter if the child is adopted or not - it has to be solved within the family and with help from outside when neccesary.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Thu 15 Apr, 2010 02:24 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Of course.

I am simply saying that there are children who are not treatable...at least at present.
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 15 Apr, 2010 02:42 am
@dlowan,
Quote:
I haven't read enough to be sure. but I think that kid may be beyond help.


And you come up with that silly opinion base on what?
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 15 Apr, 2010 05:54 am
@dlowan,
dlowan wrote:
Of course.

I am simply saying that there are children who are not treatable...at least at present.
What is it about Art that leads u to believe that he is among that class ?
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dlowan
 
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Reply Thu 15 Apr, 2010 06:07 am
@djjd62,
djjd62 wrote:

pretty cowardly way to go about it

he's not a defective product that needs to be mailed back to the supplier, he's till a human being


That's very true.

If the people can't cope with the kid, he's likely better elsewhere. Perfectly decent people can be unable to cope with very traumatised kids...their placements break down all the time, sadly.

But it seems to have been disgusting, the way they did it. Yikes!

As for FOUR days with a kid.....what a joke! The really difficult behaviour usually emerges a long time after that.

saab
 
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Reply Thu 15 Apr, 2010 06:35 am
@dlowan,
As for FOUR days with a kid.....what a joke! The really difficult behaviour usually emerges a long time after that.

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Also the problems seemed to have started in January about 3 months after his arrivel.
By that time he must have learned some basic English so I wonder why the problems seem to start by the time his English is improving. Normally one would think that would make life better.
Did he start to understand or misunderstand conversations between the mother and grandmother? Did he notice a difference in behavior and spoken words?
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 15 Apr, 2010 07:04 am
@saab,
Quote:
problems seemed to have started in January about 3 months after his arrivel.


Could it be something to do with marks dating back two or three months that the Russians found on the kid body?
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dlowan
 
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Reply Thu 15 Apr, 2010 07:34 am
@saab,
I have no knowledge of this case...but three months is a pretty normal time for the real behavioural stuff with many traumatised kids to emerge.

But maybe these were awful parents, I have no idea.

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