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F.D.A. Calls Cloned Animals Safe as Food

 
 
au1929
 
Reply Fri 31 Oct, 2003 08:13 am
In Initial Finding, F.D.A. Calls Cloned Animals Safe as Food
What is your opinion should it be allowed?? How do you feel about eating food from cloned animals?
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/31/politics/31CLON.html?th
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Stradee
 
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Reply Fri 31 Oct, 2003 03:31 pm
Wouldn't couldn't shouldn't!

The long term affects on human health hasn't been established. Labeling another issue. Why not label packaging if the FDA says GM food safe for human consumption.

I'm also a vegan and animal activist. The idea of cloning animals for food is appalling and unnatural, causing more suffering for the animals and certainly not producing a healthy "product" for human consumption.

Thanks for posting your question, au.
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wenchilina
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2003 02:40 pm
Stradee wrote:
certainly not producing a healthy "product" for human consumption.


Why?
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Stradee
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2003 03:04 pm
Hi Wenchilina, check out the following thread.

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=14476&highlight=

au, opinions you might find interesting also posted at the thread regarding animal/fish farming.

"Cloned and Genetically Altered Animals" explains process and health issues.

http://www.hsus.org/ace/15401
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wenchilina
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2003 03:47 pm
Stradee

In the first link posted I see zero evidence of consuming a cloned animal as unhealthy nor hazradous.

As for the second link, I'm quite well aware of the process, I might add that article explained nothing of the process nor health issues.

UhOh I might eat a piece of beef from the monozygotic cow twin of the beef I ate last night.

Should I post photos of the extra limbs I grow post digestion?
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2003 04:03 pm
Cloned tigers are definitely not safe....
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patiodog
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2003 04:06 pm
Safe from what? (winky thing)

Cloning and GM are completely different critters, however you happen to feel about eiher of them. In fact, in a way cloning is the antithesis of GM, in that genetic material is kept completely intact instead of being altered.
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Stradee
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2003 04:25 pm
It an't natural I tell ya, it just an't.

Cloned anything has a life span of about 10 seconds. Look at what happened to poor Dolly! Course, factory farmers don't much care what the longevity of the animal is, just the size of the steaks.

Veggies: If the bugs won't eat gm products, why should I?
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patiodog
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2003 04:39 pm
Dolly's life span was most likely contracted because she was cloned from a somatic cell (less'n I be mistaken), whose DNA essentially has a pre-programmed life span because it loses a bit of its telomeres (noncoding bits of genetic material at the ends of chromosomes, kind of like the useless frayed strands at the end of the rope that nonetheless help keep the rest of the rope from fraying).

Not that I disagree with you about factory farms, but gm and cloning are nothing like the same thing.
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wenchilina
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2003 05:02 pm
If I recall correctly Dolly's telomeres were 80% as long as those in a normal 1 y/o sheep.

Stradee, if cloning isn't "natural" then you'd best inform every monozygotic twin they're not "natural".

CJ - even cloned tigers with an affinity for big hairs?
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2003 05:13 pm
Well, I'm a hunter, at least occasionally. The weirdest thing I ever experienced in the wild was being hunted, by I'm not sure what. My wife and I were just hiking, unarmed. Pretty scary.
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Stradee
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2003 05:17 pm
Your a bit mistaken' but not moreso than anyone else dealing with the science of cloning animals. Jeese. What next. They'll be gm en' people with a counteractin'-the-food-gene

Interesting facts about cloning and Dolly.

http://www.newscientist.com/hottopics/cloning/cloning_lifespanfaq.jsp

cjhsa, you have no idea... Razz


wenchilina, do post pics but I stongly advise against burping near computer or any electrical outlets Shocked
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patiodog
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2003 05:22 pm
Just saying that the act of cloning does not involve the altering of genetic material. Genetic modification does, by definition. That cloning is used is gm processes does not mean it is equivalent. Jeese.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2003 05:23 pm
This is what I think it was:

http://www.angelfire.com/id/buckhunting/images/bigtom.jpg
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patiodog
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2003 05:26 pm
Had at least three mountain lion encounters in Santa Cruz, and one time came across a deer carcass that could have belonged to nothing else. One of the "encounters" actually involved a mother that gave birth under the overhang of a building I went to every day. The other two were at night on a path I used to take between the theater and the remote parking lot. Great experiences, those.
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wenchilina
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2003 05:28 pm
Stradee wrote:
Your a bit mistaken' but not moreso than anyone else dealing with the science of cloning animals.


where exactly am I mistaken?
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wenchilina
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2003 05:31 pm
Quite the majestic kitty, CJ.

Closest I've come is out on my horse being tracked at sundown by a pack of coyotes. Needless to say we made it home as fast as my beast could move his legs.
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au1929
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2003 05:32 pm
Question: What makes the cloning of food animals a necessity. Anyone?
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2003 05:35 pm
They don't have to label cloned animals or genetically altered plants. Meaning there's no choice. Makes one want to consider the life of a survivalist.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2003 05:50 pm
Well, if you hunt your own food, you won't have to worry about clones, unless you're a really lousy hunter. Smile That's why I'm participating in this thread.
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