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Barrier Reef oil spill April 4, 2010

 
 
Ionus
 
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Reply Sun 18 Apr, 2010 08:11 pm
@Diest TKO,
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That given this situation the ecological concern for the reef takes a stand-by seat to "economic concerns."
The only reason any ecological system anywhere is in trouble is because of economic concerns. Surely you knew that so what is your point ?
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Ionus
 
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Reply Sun 18 Apr, 2010 08:16 pm
@hawkeye10,
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why are you talking about radar? Is there some reason GPS does not work for pin-pointing ship location?
Radar enables one to know where the ship is and not rely on their honesty in taking short cuts. Transponders would also help.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 18 Apr, 2010 08:40 pm
@Ionus,
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Radar enables one to know where the ship is and not rely on their honesty in taking short cuts. Transponders would also help.
GPS machines that automatically relay to Australian computers the data. These ships can be tracked in real time, and if they go where they are not supposed to go they get hailed and ordered to change course. The GPS system is already running, so all that needs to be paid for is the ship board electronics, a way to relay the information to shore, and the central computer. It has to be way cheaper than a radar system. The only down side is that you could have ships not cooperating, which may be difficult to catch.
Ionus
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2010 12:00 am
@hawkeye10,
What you have described is called a transponder.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2010 12:28 am
@Ionus,
Quote:
What you have described is called a transponder
Great, but I still don't have an answer for why anyone is talking about putting in radar. Are we worried about Pirates decoding the signal and hijacking ships?
dadpad
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2010 01:37 am
from our national daily newspaper today.

Ships to be tracked on reef
MARK DAVIS
April 19, 2010
SHIPS travelling along the Great Barrier Reef's southern fringes will be tracked by maritime authorities to reduce the risk of another incident like the grounding of the Chinese bulk ore carrier Shen Neng 1.

Federal Transport Minister Anthony Albanese announced yesterday that ships in the southern part of the reef marine park would have to regularly report their location and route to authorities. This would be backed up by radio and satellite tracking of ships to improve safety and further protect one of the country's most precious environmental assets, he said.
The new rules effectively extend requirements that apply to ships in the northern part of the reef park to a large area that runs roughly from Mackay to Bundaberg and extends more than 100 kilometres east of the Queensland coastline.

Mr Albanese said the rules, which had been recommended by the Australian Maritime Safety Authority, will come into effect from July next year.

The delay was to allow maritime authorities to set up infrastructure. The rules need to be approved by the International Maritime Organisation, as they apply to areas outside Australia's territorial waters.
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Ionus
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2010 01:37 am
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
Great, but I still don't have an answer for why anyone is talking about putting in radar. Are we worried about Pirates decoding the signal and hijacking ships?
No, but it would help unrelated matters such as illegal fishing.
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spendius
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2010 02:44 am
@msolga,
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The port was the loading point for the Shen Neng 1, which hit a sand bank on April 3 at full speed carrying 68,000 metric tons of coal and 975 tons of fuel oil.


A sand bank!!!!
roger
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2010 03:18 am
@spendius,
Probably a misprint or something, but we are due some clarification.
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2010 03:55 am
@spendius,
A mistake in the article, obviously.
It should have said it ran aground on the reef, as we all know.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2010 04:13 am
@msolga,
It was in an article you quoted Olga by James Paton/Bloomberg.com. I have seen the piece on Google and the words "sand bank" are highlighted.
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spendius
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2010 04:25 am
@msolga,
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A mistake in the article, obviously.
It should have said it ran aground on the reef, as we all know.


Not obviously at all. Not with an organisation like Bloomberg. I have no idea what it should have said and on whose behalf.

From your own post we now do not all know at all. We are confused and have begun to pick up a scent of a rat.
msolga
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2010 04:28 am
@spendius,
I'm sure you'll get to the bottom of it! Wink
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2010 04:36 am
@msolga,
If it is a sand bank--Oh my goodness me! A full scale public enquiry might be called for.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2010 05:28 am
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
why are you talking about radar? Is there some reason GPS does not work for pin-pointing ship location?
GPS lets you know where you are with respect to fixed points. Raqdar lets you (and others ) know where you are wrt moving objects. Big boats (even my old boat) had BOTH. and radar with several frequencies envbles us to cut through tmospherics and see closer to water lwvels.
We carried 3 transponders on our boat which was determined by Canadian Coast Guard requirements, and these were solely for radar discrimination.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2010 06:18 am
@farmerman,
Thanks for letting us all know again that you had a big boat fm and are expert in technical wizadry. The rest of your post we already know all about and the Australian authorities do too. And you know it.

You're like a trumpeting elephant.
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2010 06:36 am
@spendius,
you are still the bastard son of a scottish shepherd and his favorite sheep.
Ionus
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2010 06:57 am
@farmerman,
I think he was referring to ground based radar. Most ships would have radar to operate out of busy ports. Transponders work on radio, not radar.
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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2010 09:58 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

I don't understand why there isn't more support of George's suggestion to use radar and other technological methods to accomplish this goal. Not only will it be cheaper but infinitely more environmentally friendly over the long run.

Cycloptichorn

I'm for the use of any and all possible safety measures taken. These measures would certainly also improve efficiency in the long run as well.

T
K
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spendius
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2010 11:06 am
@farmerman,
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you are still the bastard son of a scottish shepherd and his favorite sheep.


Spendius was the son of a Greek rhetorician and a Campanian prostitute probably from the dock area in Naples. Every educated person knows that.
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