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THe PC Police Again Shut Down Truth Seaking

 
 
Ionus
 
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Reply Thu 6 May, 2010 10:59 pm
@Diest TKO,
The number one reason why men want to serve in elite units ? Because they can trust the guy beside them.
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if you don't like serving with people that feel inferior (a dumb assumption that they feel inferior)
It is rather hard for a question to be an assumption by itself. Macho competitiveness is very important to a feeling that everyone is equal and a part of the group. We had, have now, and will have macho homosexuals in the army. The problem is if it is there "right" then "females" will in effect be serving in combat arms.
Ionus
 
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Reply Thu 6 May, 2010 11:02 pm
@Diest TKO,
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So you'd care about a gay soldier's discomfort if your life was in their hands?
I would care about anyone not feeling they belong to the group, be they homosexual or heterosexual. THAT is my whole point in a nutshell. It is the team that will win the game, not a collection of individuals. A group that has internal divisions will only add to the friendly body count.
Ionus
 
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Reply Thu 6 May, 2010 11:04 pm
@DrewDad,
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It occurred to me today that it sounds like you have quite the man-crush on these guys.
It adds to morale if you serve with men who know what they are about.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 7 May, 2010 12:00 am
@BillRM,
Kind of like the German Army blaming the Jews for losing WW1 it is so silly that it does not call for anything but complete contempt.

My god a gay passenger was on that jet who hit a mountain we need to see if he could had cause the problem before allowing gays to fly on jets.

And that is just how silly you are being Hawkeye.



hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 7 May, 2010 02:22 am
@BillRM,
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And that is just how silly you are being Hawkeye
we shall never know, as the dutch are allergic to the truth...have no interest in it. The soldiers were never questioned, the effect of social engenerring on the command climate was never investigated, the medals have been handed out.....any further effort to get to the truth will draw a rabid Dutch response.

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TRI Issue 480, 11 Dec 06
Survivors’ groups demonstrated outside The Netherlands’ parliament in The Hague and in Sarajevo this week, as Dutch soldiers who failed to prevent the Srebrenica massacre were handed awards by their government.

More demonstrations took place outside the awards ceremony, held in a military base in Assen, in northern Holland, where protesters held aloft a 60-metre banner listing the names of 8,106 men and boys killed at Srebrenica, which were read out by the assembled crowd.

The honoured soldiers, former members of Dutchbat III, had been deployed in around the UN-protected enclave in July 1995 when it was overrun by Bosnian Serb forces who subsequently conducted mass executions.

“All of you receive today a special insignia as a visible acknowledgement . . . that in Srebrenica you had an extraordinarily difficult task," the Dutch defence minister Henk Kamp told 500 of the ex-peacekeepers gathered in the base to receive their medals.

He added that his government also wanted "to acknowledge the fact that Dutchbat has for years wrongly been held responsible for what happened in the enclave".

Former Dutchbat commander Thom Karremans, who was filmed at Srebrenica raising a glass with Bosnian Serb army commander Ratko Mladic, was first to receive the service medial, said reports

http://www.iwpr.net/report-news/outrage-awards-srebrenica-peacekeepers
Ionus
 
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Reply Fri 7 May, 2010 02:30 am
@BillRM,
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Kind of like.....
No it isnt. And even if it was kind of like...is that close enough for you ?
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My god a gay passenger was on that jet who hit a mountain we need to see if he could had cause the problem before allowing gays to fly on jets. And that is just how silly you are being Hawkeye.
No, those are your words and it is just how silly you are.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 7 May, 2010 07:06 am
@hawkeye10,
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we shall never know, as the dutch are allergic to the truth...have no interest in it. The soldiers were never questioned, the effect of social engenerring on the command climate was never investigated, the medals have been handed out.....any further effort to get to the truth will draw a rabid Dutch response.



To do an investigation the influence of gays in this matter you might also wish to investigated if witchcraft was the cause as both make as must sense.

You realty hate any advances in society of any kind you would I assume like to go back to slavery, women as property of their men, and of course killing homosexuals like the Christian right is promoting under the color of law at this very moment in Africa correct Hawkeye, as we can not have so call social engineering after all.

Sorry, but as there seem not one means for a few gays in any military outfit to be able to cause that outfit to behavior as the Dutch peace keepers had done it is beyond being silly to blame those gays as it was for the German army to blame the Jews.





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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 7 May, 2010 07:24 am
@hawkeye10,
You know the true title of this thread should be for once people of commonsense are shutting down the bigots.

Yes, I can see you stating we can not allow Jews to service in our military until the charges by the Germen leaders that the Jewish troops cause their Army to fail is fully investigated.

To allow Jews to serve until we had done so is social engineering of the worst kind.
Ionus
 
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Reply Fri 7 May, 2010 07:39 am
@BillRM,
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You know the true title of this thread should be for once people of commonsense are shutting down the bigots.
What a drama queen you are...a legend in your own mind. Most people dont think of you as having common sense, nor of those who argue with you as bigots.
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Yes, I can see you stating we can not allow Jews to service in our military until the charges by the Germen leaders that the Jewish troops cause their Army to fail is fully investigated.
Why do you cite exceptions to the rule ? It makes your case look weaker than it should. No german military leaders from the WWI said they lost because of jewish soldiers. Many jews were proud germans and highly decorated soldiers.
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JTT
 
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Reply Fri 7 May, 2010 02:33 pm
@Ionus,
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A group that has internal divisions will only add to the friendly body count.


An admission that soldiers have a zero sense of morality?
JTT
 
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Reply Fri 7 May, 2010 02:37 pm
@hawkeye10,
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we shall never know, as the dutch are allergic to the truth...have no interest in it. The soldiers were never questioned, the effect of social engenerring on the command climate was never investigated, the medals have been handed out.....any further effort to get to the truth will draw a rabid Dutch response.


Compare that to the thoroughness, the complete objectivity, the honesty that is apparent in how the US has dealt with MyLai, The Tiger Force, a president, sorry, presidents that continually lie the country into illegal invasions, ... .

Have you the slightest sense of the word hypocrisy, Hawkeye?
JTT
 
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Reply Fri 7 May, 2010 02:39 pm
@Ionus,
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The number one reason why men want to serve in elite units ? Because they can trust the guy beside them.


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A group that has internal divisions will only add to the friendly body count.


How do you trust those who are obvious moral cesspools?

Am I mistaken, or did you actually introduce the "argument" that some military folk hold to the notion that homosexuality is depraved?
JTT
 
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Reply Fri 7 May, 2010 02:55 pm
@JTT,
A 'friendly body count' wouldn't necessarily mean the same thing as a 'friendly fire body count' so I retract Post: # 3,983,963 and the one after my posting to Hawkeye, the one above.
Ionus
 
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Reply Fri 7 May, 2010 06:43 pm
@JTT,
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A group that has internal divisions will only add to the friendly body count.
An admission that soldiers have a zero sense of morality?
So if someone has likes or dislikes they have zero morality ? Do you have zero morality and if you dont, why do you think you dont ?
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Ionus
 
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Reply Fri 7 May, 2010 06:46 pm
@JTT,
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Have you the slightest sense of the word hypocrisy,
You are the most dangerous type of person for committing war crimes. You are a extremist with a cause. All we have to do is throw your switch and you will be out their killing babies with gusto.
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Ionus
 
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Reply Fri 7 May, 2010 06:50 pm
@JTT,
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How do you trust those who are obvious moral cesspools?
Men in the armed services are moral cesspools ? What about the women enjoying a fuckfest ? Are they ? What about the homosexuals serving in the military...clearly you think they are moral cesspools....your anger has twisted your mind.
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Am I mistaken, or did you actually introduce the "argument" that some military folk hold to the notion that homosexuality is depraved?
You are mistaken. I would tell you who it was but I have no desire to prolong your ranting.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Fri 7 May, 2010 07:47 pm
I have watched this argument long enough, and its time to respond.

There are a couple of you saying that having gays serving in the military can destroy unit cohesion, is bad for morale, etc.
Nothing is further from the truth.

When I was in Iraq, there was a man in my unit that we all knew was gay, he never hid it or denied it.
He was a good marine, a valuable asset to our unit, and a damn good man.
The fact that he was gay was never an issue to any of us, because none of us cared who he was sleeping with.

If, as some of you seem to think, a gay man cant do the job, then I am living proof that you are wrong.
I owe that man my life, because he came and got me when I went down after getting wounded.

The only people making a big deal about gays serving in the military are the bigots, idiots, and those so stupid as to think that every gay man is going to hit on them.

You folks need to grow up!!
mysteryman
 
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Reply Fri 7 May, 2010 07:52 pm
@Ionus,
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The number one reason why men want to serve in elite units ? Because they can trust the guy beside them


And that very statement tells me you know nothing.

Men try and join the elite units (Navy SEALS, USMC Force Recon, Army Rangers, etc) not because they can "trust the guy beside them", but because those units ARE the elite, the best.

When someone joins one of those elite units, he doesnt know anybody in his unit, and they dont know him.
That trust is earned by constant training, drills, unit operations, and time.

Being in an elite unit alone does not mean automatic trust.
JTT
 
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Reply Fri 7 May, 2010 09:21 pm
@JTT,
Did you read the threads sequentially before you responded, Ionus. I sometimes don't. Here is what I wrote again.

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A 'friendly body count' wouldn't necessarily mean the same thing as a 'friendly fire body count' so I retract Post: # 3,983,963 and the one after my posting to Hawkeye, the one above.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 7 May, 2010 09:25 pm
@mysteryman,
actually about 25% of the population is not in favor of the idea of gays serving openly, a number that is certainly higher in the military but we don't know yet how much higher though presumably we will know at the end of the year, and it is expected to be much higher in front line combat units but again we don't know the number yet.
http://abcnews.go.com/images/PollingUnit/1102a5DADTGayMarriage.pdf

Your assertion that only a few back wards people object is false. It also says absolutely nothing to support the idea that changing the policy is good idea, either long term or right now.
 

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