THe PC Police Again Shut Down Truth Seaking

@hawkeye10,

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How about you work with what you got to get the job done.
Don't push your organization to the breaking point with change and top down demands
let your people be true to themselves, let them organize their workspace to their personal comfort, and they will contribute more

So it was wrong also to had place blacks into white units and beginning to move women into the military combat arms as that is or was also too upsetting to the bigots?

We should run the military for the benefit of the bigots that you seem to think is in the majority correct?

No blacks or women and no gays is what you would wish for correct?

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@BillRM,

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We should run the military for the benefit of the bigots that you seem to think is in the majority correct?

God help us if you ever have to run anything more than a battery flat. Where was the mechanism for introducing change ? It wasnt there. Men died when blacks were desegregated in time for Vietnam. Race riots occured in the military just like they did back home. But what about the hidden cost, those that are dead anyway but not officially attributed to race problems ?

If you ever leave your gay bar comforts, you find that special forces have a say on who they serve with...if you are not wanted in a patrol then you move on till you find one where you fit in. Why is that, Miss William with long hair from Japan (who thinks she is a bald old man in Florida).Why dont we lump everyone together and make them like each other as in your fantasy world ?

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@hawkeye10,

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Why would the openness of a gay person change anything in the eyes of this "macho culture?"

The macho guy is able to bag the hot chicks, not hot guys. Believe it or not, even a great many who accept homosexuality and are willing to coexist with it believe it to be second rate to heterosexuality...it is a flaw. The Macho man is the best of man, not a second rate copy.

The gay pressure groups get offended when ever someone does not buy into their argument that homosexuality is just another flavor, equal to heterosexuality. However, a lot of people feel that it is not, though they are loathe to self report this to pollsters. Female homosexuality is much closer to equal than male, BTW.

You didn't even attempt to answer my question. You said people would have to "adapt" and I asked how. Specifically.

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@Ionus,

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Then you don't understand the implication of this fact.
That is exactly my criticism of you. Will your life be at stake if it goes wrong ? Will you have the moral courage to put your life on the line ?

It seems that many homosexuals are willing to put their life on the line. My life is at stake if we are at war no matter what Io. It matters not who is in the camo. And homosexual citizens have every bit of a reason to defend the country in that event too. It makes no sense to try and rid the military of them.

If I die due to a war it will have nothing to do with homosexuals in the military.

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@Ionus,

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Just open homosexuality? This passage simply doesn't make any sense. Why would the openness of a gay person change anything in the eyes of this "macho culture?"
Do you understand there are degrees of homosexual obviousness ? Macho homosexuals have always been in the army. What damages group identity is a cross dressing hand bag carrying certifiable hairdresser with a lisp. Most working class men dont think of themselves like that, and that is the basis of equality..what you can imagine yourself as.

So it doesn't matter what homosexuals do, it only matters what you think about the way they dress and speak? In that case, I'm perfectly fine with your discomfort then. Much greater things of importance to deal with.

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@hawkeye10,

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How about you work with what you got to get the job done.

Which includes homosexuals, and always has. There is nothing new here. They are there and we know they are there. Letting them serve openly doesn't effect other armies in the world, why would it effect ours?

It's not social engineering to let homosexual serve openly, it's social engineering to indoctrinate the masses with some notion that the military is a white heterosexual male establishment that has nothing to gain by the efforts of anyone that doesn't fit that description.

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@Diest TKO,

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. They are there and we know they are there. Letting them serve openly doesn't effect other armies in the world, why would it effect ours?

I know it has been a long time, but this thread started as a result of someone calling that conclusion false. We have never gotten to the bottom of why the Dutch failed in Srebrenica, we don't know what the truth is, we only know that we are not allowed to ask the question.

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@hawkeye10,

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cause they are widely accepted good management techniques.

So is "one bad apple can spoil the barrel".

If someone is a troublemaker over this issue, then throw 'em out on their ear. Take away a few pensions, and I doubt folks will be making a big issue out of it.

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@hawkeye10,

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Dutch failed in Srebrenica, we don't know what the truth is, we only know that we are not allowed to ask the question.

Give us all a break with the Dutch army it is a joke with many known weakness that have zero to do with gays.

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@BillRM,

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Give us all a break with the Dutch army it is a joke with many known weakness that have zero to do with gays.

on what basis do you make such a conclusion after the dutch admit that they never considered the possibility?

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

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. They are there and we know they are there. Letting them serve openly doesn't effect other armies in the world, why would it effect ours?

I know it has been a long time, but this thread started as a result of someone calling that conclusion false. We have never gotten to the bottom of why the Dutch failed in Srebrenica, we don't know what the truth is, we only know that we are not allowed to ask the question.

You don't pose like you "don't know the truth." You do exactly the opposite. You can ask the question, but you can't accept the answers. Why did the Dutch fail? Who knows, but this is for certain, one side wins, one side loses.

The Iraqi National Guard lost to the US and other nations (including armed forces with integrated units). Why did they lose? Or maybe you don't care. I bet we can agree that it wasn't because of the presence of homosexuals in the army.

The truth of the matter is that you want it to be true so bad that you've insulated yourself from the reality of this issue.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

I know it has been a long time, but this thread started as a result of someone calling that conclusion false. We have never gotten to the bottom of why the Dutch failed in Srebrenica, we don't know what the truth is, we only know that we are not allowed to ask the question.

Sometimes the questions are so stupid that they shouldn't have been asked in the first place.

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@Diest TKO,

When you bend over for the pleasure of other men, do you feel inferior or superior ? because I do not want to go into combat with men who feel inferior.

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@Diest TKO,

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It seems that many homosexuals are willing to put their life on the line.

Can you support saying many ?

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And homosexual citizens have every bit of a reason to defend the country in that event too.

So do women with young children.

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It makes no sense to try and rid the military of them.

Why would you suggest such a thing if not to soundly thrash the idea and declare yourself the winner ? Show me where I have said they shouldnt be in the military ? I have said women shouldnt be in combat, and homosexuals should serve in their own units. Homosexual units like the Spartans were effective due to training, but their common bond also contributed.

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@Diest TKO,

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So it doesn't matter what homosexuals do, it only matters what you think about the way they dress and speak?

Why do you think dressing and speaking is not "doing" ? Of course it is important how you present yourself to the world. Put someone in a white tie dinner jacket amongst working class men and see if they like it.

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In that case, I'm perfectly fine with your discomfort then.

But you wouldnt be if we served in the same combat unit and your life was in my hands. I just might think to hell with this, do a bolt and you die. It is an all male hunting group bonding that holds men in combat, not a couple of gatherers and poofs and maybe some hunters if we feel like it. What about the rights of homosexuals who dont want to serve but there fathers and brothers will die because of misguided political correctness ?

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@Diest TKO,

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They are there and we know they are there. Letting them serve openly doesn't effect other armies in the world, why would it effect ours?

That is based on your extensive knowledge of the military and your experience with other military ? No ?

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It's not social engineering to let homosexual serve openly,

Convince working class men homosexuals have the desire to defend women and children and you may then move onto the military. Not the other way around. But you want the easy way out. Force those you can, rather than do the hard yards of proving your point to those before they join.

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it's social engineering to indoctrinate the masses with some notion that the military is a white heterosexual male establishment that has nothing to gain by the efforts of anyone that doesn't fit that description.

You are playing the race card ? The difference between men of different coloured skin is nothing compared the the very real differences between the sexes, in mind, body, attitude, instincts....a man will have more in common with any other man on this planet than he will with a woman, genetically and physically. Culture is what makes us think we are different. Where does a homosexual fit in this with regards to instincts ? Doe he/she see himself as a woman or a man ? Should men/women join who have had a sex change ? What if they have a sex change whilst they are in ? Which physical testing do they do, the one for men with upper body strength or the one invented so women could pass the test too ?

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@joefromchicago,

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I know it has been a long time, but this thread started as a result of someone calling that conclusion false. We have never gotten to the bottom of why the Dutch failed in Srebrenica, we don't know what the truth is, we only know that we are not allowed to ask the question.

Sometimes the questions are so stupid that they shouldn't have been asked in the first place.

Only fools dont ask questions, and if you think the topic is sacred dont engage in it.

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@Ionus,

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When you bend over for the pleasure of other men, do you feel inferior or superior ? because I do not want to go into combat with men who feel inferior.

So you'll serve with gay men who like to be on top then? Pitchers, but no catchers? I bet the tops feel quite superior, probably superior to you as well. I guess if you don't like serving with people that feel inferior (a dumb assumption that they feel inferior) then you must love serving with people who take the top.

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@Ionus,

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In that case, I'm perfectly fine with your discomfort then.
But you wouldnt be if we served in the same combat unit and your life was in my hands.

So you'd care about a gay soldier's discomfort if your life was in their hands?

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@hawkeye10,

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The macho guy

It occurred to me today that it sounds like you have quite the man-crush on these guys.

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