THe PC Police Again Shut Down Truth Seaking

@Ionus,

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My definition of a bigot is someone who will not listen to a contrary opinion. I have learnt from both of those, and if they wish to stop learning that is up to them but I for one will not wear the title of bigot so easily. I believe I have an obligation to listen to everyone.

That's pretty noble of you, Ionus.

Yet you wear the title of another definition of bigot, that of willfully treating, or at least advocating treating people differently both easily and it seems, proudly.

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@JTT,

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Yet you wear the title of another definition of bigot, that of willfully treating, or at least advocating treating people differently both easily and it seems, proudly

I see, so now according to you anyone who does not blindly follow the dogma of equality is now a bigot.

Look around, do you find equality in Nature? You are no better that the creeps at the Church of old, because you attempt to do exactly the same thing, you try to deny man his human nature. You have this fantasy about how things should be and you will stop at nothing in your insane quest to make people into your fantasy version of humans.

At some point the drive for equality, which does not exist in reality, ceases to be a noble goal and becomes a sickness.

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@hawkeye10,

equality is not dogma, it's common sense. It is stupidity of the highest order to suggest that equality should take a back seat to the ignorant rantings of bigots.

Your "do you find equality in Nature" argument is fatuous.

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At some point the drive for equality, which does not exist in reality, ceases to be a noble goal and becomes a sickness.

I had stopped reading. This is even more fatuous than the nature thing.

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@hawkeye10,

You really Hawkeye think that it is a zero sum game here and that if the society grant rights and respect to others that happen not to be of your sub-group you somehow will end up losing!

So, you also are under the impression also that white heterosexual males as a class are in some matter superior to blacks or women or gays or the millions of others classification of humans on this planet?

Sorry, but I had seen no indication even as a white straight male that this is so or that the kind of sexual plumbing or how that plumbing is put to used had anything to do with the ability to be a good soldier of a good citizen any more then the color of a person skin or what gods or no god he or she pray to.

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@JTT,

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equality is not dogma, it's common sense.

Common sense supports meritocracy over equality. We talk WAY too much about alleged rights, and no where near enough about quality of ones contribution to the society. I am Zen, we believe no work equals no right to eat. If the whiners want something they should be made to show up to the table with an argument that they deserve what they are seeking.

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@hawkeye10,

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Common sense supports meritocracy over equality

Except when it come to groups you do not care for such as gays.

Then you would refused them the right to serve let along compete with their straight betters.

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@hawkeye10,

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Common sense supports meritocracy over equality

George W Bush, Ronald Reagan are two fine examples that prove you wrong.

But beyond that your "Common sense supports meritocracy over equality" is a non-issue.

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@BillRM,

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Except when it come to groups you do not care for such as gays.

the only place where I have a problem with gays is on the questions of marriage and possibly adoptions, and that is based upon the merits of their claim to rights.

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@JTT,

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But beyond that your "Common sense supports meritocracy over equality" is a non-issue.

of course, because you believe in equality right or wrong. Your mind is closed, logic and evidence do not matter, you are a devotee to the dogma of equality.

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@JTT,

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Yet you wear the title of another definition of bigot, that of willfully treating, or at least advocating treating people differently both easily and it seems, proudly.

I have homosexual male friends, though curiously I dont know any homosexual female friends, only one distant relative...but I treat them no differently to anyone else. I joke with them about their lives, calling them names like dirty poof but I also joke with some friends who have PhD's that I call thuds....in my nature I am equal, that is why I attack differences.

WRT homosexuals serving openly in the military, I have known several and the problems open homosexuality causes is an extension of women in the services. Sex is an alternate rank structure and produces alliances and politiking that are counter productive to a group identity.

I am happy to have only homosexuals serve in the military, heterosexuals can stay home with their kids.

To shout bigot when there are real problems to be addressed is following a religious dogma. There is nothing fair about life, there is nothing equal about people. Do you choose to mate with the syphilous riddled 99 yr old crack addict lying in the gutter to prove everyone is equal ?

Homosexuality and heterosexuality are different. Two different things can not be equal. Which is the preferred option for society ? At some point tolerance becomes promotion.

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@BillRM,

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that if the society grant rights and respect to others that happen not to be of your sub-group you somehow will end up losing!

Where is it a right to join the army ? Where ?

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@JTT,

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George W Bush, Ronald Reagan are two fine examples that prove you wrong.

Stated with every bias of a bigot. Well done.

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But beyond that your "Common sense supports meritocracy over equality" is a non-issue.

When your opinion is the final say, yes. In the meantime it is an issue.

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@hawkeye10,

It is interesting to note that all these cries for equality, if wrong, are at the expense of others.

People have a basic instinct that says they should be allowed to select a mate. This is seen in emotional reactions to rape. Taken to the ridiculous, this means homosexuals are equal.

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@Ionus,

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Where is it a right to join the army ? Where ?

Better yet......where is the right to join the military and parade your personal self around? Induction into the military is by necessity largely about breaking down the individual, and reforming them fit to be part of a well functioning group. Military's which fail to do this step routinely fail on the battlefield.

DO you BillRM want us to have a military, or not? If the answer is not then playing at it with your social engineering schemes is fine, but I happen to think we might need a real military some day and should consider keeping it in tact.

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@hawkeye10,

Why dont the handicapped have a right to join ? Or the elderly...

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@hawkeye10,

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then playing at it with your social engineering schemes is fine,

You are deeply in love with that those buzz words now tell me how any changes we had made in this society and the military could not be label social engineering and therefore a bad thing to do.

No social engineering IE no blacks, Jews or women in the military as that is evil social engineering!!!!!

Hell no free slaves as that is social engineering or civil rights for blacks as that is social engineering.

Label something with an evil name and we can all stop thinking and attack it..

How dare our founding fathers break away from England and form a Republic largely base on the early Roman Republic as that was indeed social engineering.

You know Hawkeye I can not from a logical point of view see why the society should license gays relationships however as this is being used as a tool to fight treating gays fairly in every other aspect of live I am going to sadly have to support that right to.

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@hawkeye10,

By the way Hawkeye I am surprise that you think that the US military is such a piece of rotting wood that granting four percents or so of the soldiers the right not to need to hide in fear will destroy it.

That if we do such an awful thing that we will not even be able to stop the Mexican army from taking back the Border States.

Open gays in the military will mean no army at all or some such silliness was your statement, as such a large degree of evil social engineering cannot be withstood by the men and women defending us.

Too bad we do not have real soldiers such as the 1940s Russians who halted and then drove back the Germans even those Stalin idea of social engineering were killing a large part of their officer corp. off.

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@BillRM,

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By the way Hawkeye I am surprise that you think that the US military is such a piece of rotting wood that granting four percents or so of the soldiers the right not to need to hide in fear will destroy it.

the military is deeply stressed fro almost a decade of war which was done on the cheap, using the same soldiers over and over again. My wife is on her third deployment to the war of a year or more, many of her grade are on their 4th or 5th, having been gone from their families half of this decade to a stressfull environment. This idea that doing this change is not a good idea right now no matter how just it is in the long run should not be difficult to understand, all that is required is a little common sense. Obviously you are not up to it.

Our soldiers are killing themselves at an alarming rate, they are on all kinds of psychiatric drugs to keep them going, their bodies are warn out. And you want to add THIS to the table. Last year some idiots decided that it was time to go on an anti smoking crusade and forbid the troops from smoking, though that got shot down as being a bad idea because fighting a war is more important that the cultural wars that some American fanatics want to import into the military.

I dont have a lot of patience for the obviously clueless,with people who clearly have no idea about what is the order of importance of things. There is no cure for stupid, and little hope of correcting bad education.

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@hawkeye10,

So blame it all on homosexuals and when that falls flat, go for the niggers, then the chinks, and japs.

Hawkeye's response to huge government fuckups, blame the nearest available minority; they can't fight back.

Have you even considered the very people who have suffered the most from this illegal invasion, the people who have been the target of war crime after war crime.

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@JTT,

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So blame it all on homosexuals and when that falls flat, go for the niggers, then the chinks, and japs.

If you'd have followed along you would know that it is the gay rights pressure groups and the politicians who cave into them and thus harm our military that I blame, not homosexuals.

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