THe PC Police Again Shut Down Truth Seaking

@JTT,

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How many war criminals/murderers/rapists/baby killers/etc do you figure have been punished and how many are walking around free?

A small fraction of the Muslim terrorists still walking around free. Baby killers ? The sixties were good for you werent they ?

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@Ionus,

You really have a hard time facing up to the facts, don't you?

How many war criminals/murderers/rapists/baby killers/etc do you figure have been punished and how many are walking around free?

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@JTT,

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How many war criminals/murderers/rapists/baby killers/etc do you figure have been punished and how many are walking around free?

Why do I get the impression you think you know ?

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@Ionus,

It's not that difficult a question even for someone with the attention span of a gnat.

How many war criminals/murderers/rapists/baby killers/etc do you figure have been punished and how many are walking around free?

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@Ionus,

JTT considers anyone that ever served in the US military to be a "war criminals/murderers/rapists/baby killers/etc"

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Ionus - You're still missing the point. Gays have ALWAYS been in the military. Always. The issue is whether or not to let them serve openly.

There is nothing new under the sun here. Gays were never "introduced" to the military.

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@mysteryman,

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JTT considers anyone that ever served in the US military to be a "war criminals/murderers/rapists/baby killers/etc"

And apparently anyone in the Australian Army too. I have posited the theory that she is revenge driven due to being raped by the entire 101st...she fails to realise that her hate makes her an ideal war criminal...events just have to toggle her switch the other way, and voila ! instant baby killer...she would do it now if she thought the ends justify her means.

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@Diest TKO,

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There is nothing new under the sun here

nothing other than changing the entire culture of the military, that is.

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@Diest TKO,

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Gays have ALWAYS been in the military. Always.

I have stated exactly that several posts back.

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The issue is whether or not to let them serve openly.

This amounts to an introduction as they will have the legal right to serve. It is very difficult to remove someone from the military for sexual misconduct. I know of many examples where it should have been done, and no examples of where it was done.

Homosexual men have always served with distinction without the "right"to be openly homosexual.

If I had a choice, I would legalise homosexual men serving long before women, and my preference is for both to serve in their own units. But the women join partly for the smorgasbord of men.

It is the introduction of sex as an issue in a hunting team that I resist. The dynamics of human behaviour destroy group identity.

There are many corporations that would gladly not employ women because of the increase in politiking due to sex. The military is the last place where sex is desirable and where a parrallel rank structure based on who is ******* who should be encouraged.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

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There is nothing new under the sun here
nothing other than changing the entire culture of the military, that is.

The "entire" culture? You're being over-dramatic.
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@Ionus,

Ionus wrote:

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Gays have ALWAYS been in the military. Always.
I have stated exactly that several posts back.

Then you don't understand the implication of this fact.
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@Diest TKO,

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The "entire" culture? You're being over-dramatic.

NO, before now fags have had to adapt to the macho culture, now the culture will need to adapt to them. It has to happen for fairness reasons, and because the military can't afford to be too different from the culture of the society, but this change is big.

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@hawkeye10,

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NO, before now fags have had to adapt to the macho culture

Fags...........

Thanks for coming completely out of the closet my bigoted friend!

By the way what do you call blacks, Jews or any other group of people you do not belong to?

Thanks once more for announcing without question that your concern for the military was a smoke screen for being a 100 percent bigot.

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@BillRM,

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Fags...........

Thanks for coming completely out of the closet my bigoted friend!

the word was used with purpose.... in a macho culture combat unit this is still a term used often, because open homosexuality is still seen as the mark of a deficient and deviant person, one who must be drummed out for the good of the unit. I expect the the studies being done will show that this is the majority culture in the Marines, and also in select Army units.

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@hawkeye10,

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one who must be drummed out for the good of the unit

Yes and a person who is black is a sub-human animal and should never be allow to be in a white unit and heaven forbid we would allow a black man to give orders to whites!!!!!!!

Sorry but I do not see the point in running the military for the benefit of bigots of any kind.

If they do not get with the program it would be far better to kick them out on their heterosexual rear ends then to keep doing stupid things like throwing good soldiers out because they are gay.

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@hawkeye10,

In an insular culture like that, though, lots of folks who don't really feel that way will express those opinions in order to be seen as fitting in.

The thing to do is to break the cycle of bigotry, not cater to it.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

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The "entire" culture? You're being over-dramatic.
NO, before now fags have had to adapt to the macho culture, now the culture will need to adapt to them. It has to happen for fairness reasons, and because the military can't afford to be too different from the culture of the society, but this change is big.

And what adaptations have to be made? Specifically.

We've already established many times that homosexuals have been in these units already, and that people knew they were in the units. You make it sound as if a soldier would be less effective or less "macho" if somebody else was openly gay. If someone was to think like you that homosexuals are weak, etc, they'd only feel more powerful in the presence of homosexuals. Having said that, homosexual are no less powerful, or macho.

The macho soldier doesn't have to adapt at all. They would have to change what exactly?

Ten men in a "macho" unit. One day, one of them announces he is gay. What adaptations do the other 9 have to make?

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@hawkeye10,

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[fag] was used with purpose.... in a macho culture combat unit this is still a term used often, because open homosexuality is still seen as the mark of a deficient and deviant person, one who must be drummed out for the good of the unit.

Just open homosexuality? This passage simply doesn't make any sense. Why would the openness of a gay person change anything in the eyes of this "macho culture?"

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@DrewDad,

Hell, you just pass down the word to the senior NCOs that if their men get out of line over servicing with open gays soldiers or FAGs then it is their careers and their 30 years pensions that will be on the line.

Hawkeyes seem to be of the opinion that only after 100 percent of the rank and file sign off on having open FAGs in units should we do so.

Take about the tail wagging the dog and I just hope all those soldiers who are so bigotries that they cannot work with open gays can find a good career outside the military that have no open gays.

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@Diest TKO,

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Why would the openness of a gay person change anything in the eyes of this "macho culture?"

The macho guy is able to bag the hot chicks, not hot guys. Believe it or not, even a great many who accept homosexuality and are willing to coexist with it believe it to be second rate to heterosexuality...it is a flaw. The Macho man is the best of man, not a second rate copy.

The gay pressure groups get offended when ever someone does not buy into their argument that homosexuality is just another flavor, equal to heterosexuality. However, a lot of people feel that it is not, though they are loathe to self report this to pollsters. Female homosexuality is much closer to equal than male, BTW.

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