THe PC Police Again Shut Down Truth Seaking

@Ionus,

Ionus wrote:

Do you have any idea at all what sex is ? Can you see that a white man and a black man will have more in common than a homo-man and a hetero-man ?

There is nothing to suggest this is true at all. You're asserting nonsense.

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@Diest TKO,

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There is nothing to suggest this is true at all. You're asserting nonsense.

Then tell me what are the important things that make men bond with each other....assert your opinion.

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@Ionus,

Ionus wrote:

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There is nothing to suggest this is true at all. You're asserting nonsense.
Then tell me what are the important things that make men bond with each other....assert your opinion.

Simply put, it's not some formula. People relate over many things, and for that matter, we seek out the ways in which we bond. We emphasize the similarities in our allies, and the differences fall through the cracks.

A person's sexuality will not prevent them from bonding about: Family, school, food, sports, music, art, religion, film, parenting, science, literature, fitness, diet, humor, or preference in wine and beer. For that matter, a difference in sexuality doesn't prevent someone from bonding on matters of sex and love either. The experiences have a great deal of overlap.

Certainly a gay soldier can empathize with the straight soldier that misses his wife. Perhaps he has someone waiting for him at home too. Perhaps they both have children that are the same age or even like the same sports.

You're maniacal obsession with homosexual interaction having to be about sex is simply stupid and lacks any real credibility.

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@Diest TKO,

Somehow I would think that most soldiers primary concerns about his comrades in arms would be if he or she have the abilities as a soldier to reduce his likelihood of dying and or not getting the mission done.

Not the plumbing details or how that plumbing is put to used in his or her sex life.

If the gay soldier in an outfit happen to be a Sergeant York with his rife, most soldiers are likely to be real real piss if some bigot up the chain of command have him removed for being gay and more then likely replacing him with someone who is straight but could not hit a barn at a 100 meters.

Hell you might die but just think you will not need to worry that someone might get turn on looking at your private parts in a shower!!!!

This is sheer nonsense at all levels of logic.

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@BillRM,

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Somehow I would think that most soldiers primary concerns about his comrades in arms would be if he or she have the abilities as a soldier to reduce his likelihood of dying and or not getting the mission done.

we don't need to have old man who has never served making such guesses....an in depth study of the force's views on integrating gays is currently being done. I figure the results so far are not good, seeing has how the military leaders are slamming on the breaks, saying that they need a lot of time to get this done.

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@hawkeye10,

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we don't need to have old man who has never served making such guesses....an in depth study of the force's views on integrating gays is currently being done. I figure the results so far are not good, seeing has how the military leaders are slamming on the breaks, saying that they need a lot of time to get this done.

How many studies do you wish to get done?

The join chiefs own supported think tank that you yourself had quoted here had done large scale studies and came the the conclusion that gay can indeed serve in the military in an open manner.

You went study after study after study without end until somehow one of them support your position or the end of time come about.

You know this is nonsense and the very sad part is that men and women are likely dying right now because the best man or woman for a position can not be used if they happen to be gay.

I might not had been in the military but I do not think oh expert that they give out prizes for being almost good enough in combat.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loki's_Wager

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@hawkeye10,

One can only hope that Obama grow a pair of balls as large as Truman did and order this nonsense ended.

Yes, I know that it now a law but there are loop holds that Obama can use to stop the enforcement of this nonsense at once.

After it been stop and the world does not end as a result this matter is a dead letter.

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@BillRM,

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One can only hope that Obama grow a pair of balls as large as Truman did and order this nonsense ended.

DADT is the law of the land, Obama is not free to violate it. Congress may or may not be interested in changing the law. I think you would be hard pressed to find more than 10% of congress who would refuse to support the goal of integration of the force no matter what, but that does not mean that gays can count of getting the majority that they need right now.....when the force is exhausted and still at war.

I noticed that DOD has gone ahead with the bone headed move of putting women on subs...this was probably done to take the pressure off of the officers to do the much larger force problem of trying to do the gay thing now.

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@hawkeye10,

Sure he can as for the good of the service he have the right under the law to suspense the removing of gays from the service.

Once that nonsense had ended I can not see it starting up under a new administration so the law then become a very dead letter.

Kind of like trying to unburned a piece of paper it can not be done and even a future Republican President is unlikely to try to restart kicking gays out for being gay.

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@hawkeye10,

Hawkeye, I can just picture Obama going before the TV cameras dragging Truman size balls and stating the following.

In my role as Command and Chief I am ordering for the good of the military services the suspense of gays soldiers being separated from the arm forces for the reason of their sexuality alone and I am also at this time requesting Congress to repeal what I consider a harmful, shameful, unjust and out date law.

No matter what Congress may decided to do in this regard as long as I am President not only will this suspense remain in force but I am ordering once more in my role as Command and Chief for the Arms Services to place the suggestions of the Pentagon think tank into force concerning integrating gays openly into our military.

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@Diest TKO,

What should be the penalty if soldiers of different ranks have sex ?

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@Ionus,

Ionus wrote:

What should be the penalty if soldiers of different ranks have sex ?

I don't care unless the ranking officer is also in command of the other. If they are in command, I believe there is already protocol that outlines the actions that can be taken.

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@Diest TKO,

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I don't care unless the ranking officer is also in command of the other.

So the Chief of General Staff is not allowed to have sex wioth any service pesonnel at all. What if the CGS is married to a serving member ?

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there is already protocol

What is it ?

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@Ionus,

If you really want to know what the military policy is, its easy to find out.

Here is the official Army policy...
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/army/a/fraternization.-u3q.htm

The Air Force policy
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/airforce/a/fraternization.htm

The Navy policy
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/navy/a/fraternization.-uqE.htm

The Marine Corps policy
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/marines/a/fraternization.-umX.htm

The Coast Guard policy
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/coastguard/a/fraternization.-u8N.htm

Read them and find out for yourself what the official policies are.

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@mysteryman,

Thank you for the ref, I have read them and note they are all roughly similar, but wouldnt it be better if they all said the same thing with the same words. How many examples are you aware of inappropriate or unprofessional conduct that were punished, and how many werent ? It is the equivalent of jay-walking. It is illegal, the vast majority do it and never get caught .

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@Ionus,

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How many examples are you aware of inappropriate or unprofessional conduct that were punished

Right off the top of my head I can think of 2 examples, just from my own time in the service.
And 1 of them was an officer I knew and served with.
He was caught having an affair with an enlisted female, not under his command.
He was forced to resign his commission and leave the military, she was demoted back to E-1 and got 30 days restriction.

If there were unpinished examples, I dont know of them.

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@mysteryman,

I previously listed several examples where no-one went punished. I dont know of any examples where anyone was punished. Hetero-sexual relations in a lot of the world's military was already on a sort of dont ask dont tell policy, and it moved into a free for all. Women have damaged the military by bringing sex into the equation, and introducing homosexuals into this just because no-one at the coffee club dislikes them is folly.

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@Ionus,

I'm not saying that people went unpunished sometimes.

You asked how many I WAS AWARE OF, wherre people went unpunished.

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@Ionus,

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How many examples are you aware of inappropriate or unprofessional conduct that were punished, and how many werent ? It is the equivalent of jay-walking. It is illegal, the vast majority do it and never get caught .

Like you said, it's nothing to these military folk. How many war criminals/murderers/rapists/baby killers/etc do you figure have been punished and how many are walking around free?

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